Reply With QuoteThese disappearing posts are
starting to make me wonder.
So... when does he go to jail for
fraud?
These disappearing posts are
starting to make me wonder.
Would you like to clarify what you mean? To date, theOriginally Posted by catlord17
only disappearing posts I know of were either things like "Good post" which we do delete, or posts deleted by the
forum member themselves. If other posts are disapearing, please give me some specifics.
We have and will
continue to merge relevent threads together, it only makes good sense. Starting a bunch of disparete threads about a
single product just makes it hard for people looking for information.
Platinum Fox makes a good point. It does
look pretty suspicious when a half dozen new members join and all want to talk about the same competitor's product
that is already the subject of some pretty sleazy marketing methods. When a dozen new threads are started on the one
product by these new members, despite the many other products out there, it looks even worse. When those same new
members start making comments that seem to imply we moderators may be censoring the discussion, we start getting
downright suspicious. That said, Catlord, would you please explain your comment regarding disapearing posts with any
specific information you have?
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Hmmmm?Why are are so defensive of
"Manure Phelure" Catlord?Wheres your good friend Ilana?
Well if its a "5 star mone cologne" ?LOL!Pherlure should have its own message board right
instead of leeching here?
Not only was pherlure the only product to get five stars, but it was the only one that
isn't harshly criticized.
Mods, can I post all the urls this guy runs? Honestly, this isn't good for the
industry, for consumers or for Bruce.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
I am a stranger and a noob
myself. I had some free time over christmas break and decided to look into pheromones again. I researched them about
1 year earlier and didnt buy anything. When searching for pheromones I came across the 5 star site which
unfortunately sold me on Pherlure. I cannot say that pherlure doesn't work but I also cant say there is no such
thing as a purple cow. Perhaps these other strangers are like me and just had too much time and money laying around
over christmas break.
Catlord seems credible enough from his threads on multiple topics and there seem to be a
few other people giving this product praise but I decided to return it myself because there is almost no way to
personally prove that pherlure behaves like a pheromone in one months time.
cheers Catlord keep up the good
fight
I was just becoming curious
because several of my posts have disappeared - things I said that seemed relevant and cogent, but not offensive... I
thought they were being deleted as a form of censorship. I didn't delete them. What exactly did you want to
know?
Platinumfox, I'm not
defensive at all. I disagree with you. It's not the first and won't be the last time I disagree with someone.
But I'm also not going to cower because someone does not agree with me. Pherlure works for me. Call it what you
will, but it does.
You have every right to your opinion, but I'm not here to pick a fight nor finish one.
I've grown tired of the fighting over Pherlure. If you don't like it, don't use it. I couldn't care less.
Fighting over it doesn't make any sense. I'm only here to discuss things that interest me, not sell stuff. So
don't demonize me for speaking the truth as I have experienced it.
And Ilana does not post here because she has
nothing to say. She is one of the women I have encountered on whom Pherlure has an effect, by the way. She also
seems to like TE, AE and EW, in case you were wondering.
I was not trying to say Pherlure was a five star
product. I was merely trying to describe the web page. That web page has it listed as five stars. Perhaps I
should have phrased it differently.
Are you accusing us of censorship? If so, say it clearly instead of beting around the bush.
Especially after I was the one who refused to close this thread in the first place. If that's not it, give me
approximate dates so I can look them up.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Censorship
I made the initial request to have this thread be censored; had a heated off-Forum debate with
Belgareth; and fortunately, he prevailed. I'm glad the thread has continued, as it is the best example of a
marketing scam I've seen -- at least with regard to the concept of human pheromones. So far as I'm concerned, the
longer this thread continues, the more it speaks against the Pherlure product. But it is obvious that the folks at
Pherlure want to capture any attention that they can, even if it means negative attention.
JVK
I am not the type to beat around the bush. Instead, I tend to wait until I have evidence of
something, and ask what's going on. I'm also making no accusations.
I made a post yeasterday in response to
Platinumfox, I believe, and the post is gone. I was just starting to notice that my posts weredisappearing, as that
was what I thought was the third time it happened. Since I wasn't sure, I didn't jump to conclusions. But I am
sure about the post to this thread.
James, I respect you as a researcher
and scientist, but it seems to me that what I read above is a way of saying that I am somehow affiliated with
Pherlure and trying to sell for them through this thread. Quite frankly, I find that insulting, and insults don't
do much for respect.
I don't care if you agree with me or not, but I think the only reason this thread is such a
hot button issue is because nobody else has an open mind about it. If it was treated with the same attitude any
other product gets treated with, nobody would be writing in this thread! Nobody but me, since I enjoy sharing my
hits. And I would share my hits if they were from SOE, APC, Pherlure, AE, or TE. Hits are hits.
Now it's
become apparent that because I have experiences that a number of you consider impossible based on faulty logic, I am
becoming the target of increasing negativity. The negativity is unreasonable and shows that some people here have
rigid thinking. If you disagree with me, fine, but do you have any experience with Pherlure? Did you ever try to
put it through any testing? Going by some moronic ad campaign says nothing about the product at all. It speaks
solely to the stupidity of the advertiser.
That said, have someone who has some Pherlure and didn't like it send
it to you, and do some tests on it for Christ's sakes! Do some tests. See what happens. Have a friend test it.
Blind and double blind test it. The more scientific the better! I don't care if you buy any in order to test it.
But when you test it, assume nothing. Let the evidence of your tests speak for themselves. Right now, your opinion
is just that, and based only on advertising. I on the other hand, see results in real life, and they don't go away
just because the advertiser is an idiot!
Until you have scientific evidence that Pherlure is garbage, and I mean
experiments and real science, your opinion is not of Pherlure, it's of the advertising campaign. My experiences
may not be hard science, but they're a hell of a lot closer than analyzing a product's validity based on the
advertising used to sell it!
Finally, that you would suggest censorship to squelch a point of view you disagree
with based on this astoundingly poor logic is nothing less than flabbergasting. What kind of research did you do on
SOE before you started selling it, if you're so quick to judge another product based on the advertising? It makes
me wonder. And doubt.
C'mon Catlord. Your're being
absurd.
SOE is based on published research about the pheromones that are in it.
Pherlure is a fake
product claiming to use a nonexistant chemical (di-dehydroepiandrosterone) and citing fake studies which are
promoted on fake sites.
Do you see a difference?
XVS, my point is to draw
attention to the fact that deciding a product cannot work based solely on second hand information (in this case,
advertising) is absurd. And also to draw comparison to the contrast between the tests that one got, but not the
other. If it's fake, why not come up with scientific proof? Why not crush my argument with that?
Fake
advertising does not speak well of the product, no. But if I was to describe a Volkswagen Beetle as "the best car
ever", would that mean it was not a vehicle? That is along the lines of the logical fallacy being committed here.
The advertising does not really tell you whether the product does what they claim. That's why there is such a
thing as independant product testing.
Explain to me why I have gotten better hits with this "snake oil" than with
anything else, even when the subjects did not know I was wearing anything? If it's just the power of suggestion,
how can I keep repeating these experiences, with people who don't know I use pheromones at all? I know it's
easier to just write me off as a liar and an astroturfer and all that, but the truth is, I do have these
experiences, and my best hits are always from Pherlure, or some mixture containing Pherlure.
False advertising,
yes. But the product has something in it that does have an effect. I don't know what... but I do know there's
something functional in it.
By the way,there is no point
in beating a dead horse. I don't see any reason to argue this point when it's obvious that nobody's going to
change their minds.
Its sooo obvious that Catlord
has money involved in Pher-MANURE I have never seen someone defend something so much like their life depended on
it.Im exposing it for what it is and hopefully Pher-MANURE will to the "product graveyard" along with Jello Pudding
Pops and New Coke.I would like to see this thread locked or deleted the agenda of certain posters who back up this
crap is crystal clear and doesnt deserve anymore attention.
Guau
Catlord17 that
was really really intense. I mean just by sheer intensity this is the best thread. I just want to say I hope
everything is golden with everyone and let's all stay on the way forward with whatever
it is that we think the way forward is. Wow, but some people take it a bit far and just get crude.
Also
yes I am brand new, newbe, stranger whatever and if it takes going around making a couple dozen you go... posts like
some others to raise my rank and not be called some stranger I'll do it. Just let me know. Because I am a
loyal customer and I'll make it happen. What's the top rank?
Finally somebody tell me if I am wrong but
I was under the impression that competition was good for business. This due to the fact that nobody can develop an
entire or the whole market. Then only being responsible for developing the portion of the market that one can
personally develop. There is nothing that's everything. Unless it's not profitable for the next person. On that
note IMO it's the owner's right to just squash this if he does not like it and I would see nothing wrong with it
because whatever hurts the bottom line is just bad everything. Anyways, I am loving the forum and everyone have
super day. I received my first LS order so tomorrow should be outstanding and crazy fun. Peace
[QUOTE} Wow, Platinumfox what
is up? [/QUOTE]Hopefully the blood pressure of the marketing team of Pher-MANURE after they product goes under from
this thread.
catlord17,
I cannot find a
single post of yours in this thread that has been deleted. You DO have replies showing on the board to Platinum
Fox's posts too.
Try logging out so the "Reply" button goes away, maybe that way you can just READ the posts
you're claiming were deleted.
Interestingly enough, we had ANOTHER guy going for "censorship martyrdom" earlier
this week. This guy deleted 7 of the 19 posts that he had on this thread HIMSELF, and then PM'ed a moderator to ask
where his posts had gone. I find it very curious that now that it's known that we mods can see deleted posts, AND
who deleted them, you're suddenly claiming that we're deleting posts that never existed.
Just in case anyone
doubts that we know what posts have been deleted, and by whom, here's the text of just one of the user-deleted
posts from the guy who tried the censorship scam earlier this week:
"cat i sent u a pm.."
Ring a bell?
I strongly recommend that you make your reply, and ALL further inquiries regarding missing posts, by PM as
specified in the sticky threads.
Oscar
Moderator
Love-Scent Forums
Yeah good one just make stuff
up, what in the are you talking about? You seem upset. I hope you don't take that to heart but I don't know how to
explain what your saying. Peace
Also out of respect for the forum I will make this my last post on this thread
because I am sure there is good times in other threads. So I think I've said what I want to say and to all the
moderators I did not know this was such a touchy subject because I am new and it was a thread I read all the way
through. So anyways I have come full circle on this. Right on the monyt 737Pilot
ooh cmon guys, if anyone has
pherlure that tried it and it works for them; then it works for them. If it doesn't, return it. Simple as that. no
more arguing! period
Now i'm with catlords response for once because it had some affect on me which i got
some girls say hi to me a few time while wearing it alone. So we all know that something is in it but hey, if it
works then it works.
So lets stop this debating thingy and this is suppose to be a results and hits posts not
just arguing each other in here...Peace out
"Good looks get you to the door, but it doesn't keep you in!"
Deranged? If you'reYeah good
one just make stuff up, what in the ___ are you talking about? You seem a little deranged. I hope you don't take
that to heart but I don't know how to explain what your saying. Peace
referring to my analogy, I was trying to make a comparison. You'll have to specify what you mean before I can
explain myself.
Oh no Catlord I think
that was a strong word therefore if you see my edit it is not there but I was referring to Platinumfox screaming out
M.... You know I was not referring to you, we're golden. Same as with Platfox but I think he's upset.
Its obvious someone has
multiple email accounts and I guessing each "stranger" is linked to it.
Use quotations to avoid
confusion. lol
It seems to me that Platfox is more upset than is reasonable, which does seem odd, but hey,
whatever.
There we go again did
you not read what I said about being a stranger, is there anything I can do about that? I don't think so. I don't
like the acussations your making. PFox, anyways I apologize for the word I used I already changed it. I can delete
the whole message if you find it offensive. But I don't think there is anything more offensive than what you are
doing by insinuating that strangers have some sort of hidden agenda. In my case you are way of the mark, so there it
is. I am out.
Must I now suffer yet
more ridiculous assumptions? Platfox, chill out. You disagree with me. That's fine. But I have better things to
do than pull the sort of crap you're trying to accuse me of, apparently.
And by the way, I do have multiple
e-mail accounts. Only one is registered here. Check the IP if you like, smarty. Stop accusing me of stupid
shit.
I love how nobody here seems to have the balls or common courtesy to make accusations directly. I can
handle it. If you're going to accuse me of something, at least have that level of courtesy.
I just checked the logs. There was no post from you in this thread that was deleted yesterday. I
checked back to 1/11/06 and not one post from you had been deleted. What exactly are you trying to prove? I'll tell
you right now that your public accusations of censorship and false claims have me pretty unhappy. If you had a
problem with our actions, you should have come to any one of the mods through PMs and we would have helped you.
Instead, you make false accusations here?
Last edited by belgareth; 01-25-2006 at 04:35 AM.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Getting back to the point of comparing
Pherlure with SOE we have:
Pherlure
- claims to use a chemical that doesn't exist:
di-dehydroepiandrosterone
- refers to studies which never happened
- created fake web sites to make people
think the fake studies really happened
- deliberately went way out of its way to deceive people
SOE
-
uses real compounds that have been studied extensively - androstenone and androsterone
- is based on real studies
that were published in peer-reviewed science journals
And yet Catlord compares the two as if each were just
as likely to be a reasonable product.
Get this straight: a product with fake ingredients and deliberately
faked studies using multiple fake websites is NOT a legitimate product.
No way, no how.
This is an
entirely different category of fake than any other pheromone product on the market. Others use exaggerated claims or
have hardly any pheromones etc. But only Pherlure actually has gone to the trouble of creating fake sites and fake
studies.
In doing this, they've gone over the line from marketing to fraud. Plain and simple.
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