Sex and Mones

[stuttgart-man]

Yeah, I'm not sure people realize that the makers of Pheromax have exclusive patented

rights to use A1 in any combination formulas, so anyone else who uses it can only use it as an unlisted

ingredient.

A1 is special stuff. IMHO, there is no better mone in the intimate zone. And even if you don't use

it on a regular basis to mellow out the effects of -none, it's a critical tool to soothe any woman during that time

of the month.

-CAt

Hi Cat,

I´m a litle bit confused! Is it allowed to add A1 if this incredient

is not listed on the product? I´ve no many knowledge in patency, but is not alone the fact, that a product contains

A1 (even this one is not listed) a breach of the patency-rules?

Do you sure, that NPA contains A1? I have never

tried NPA, but often TE! And this one (especially in combination with SOE) is a excellent mix, that hardly can

improved! So perhaps I use A1 without to know it!?

[CAtriathlete]

Hi Cat,

I´m a litle bit confused! Is it allowed to add A1 if this incredient is not

listed on the product? I´ve no many knowledge in patency, but is not alone the fact, that a product contains A1

(even this one is not listed) a breach of the patency-rules?

Do you sure, that NPA contains A1? I have never

tried NPA, but often TE! And this one (especially in combination with SOE) is a excellent mix, that hardly can

improved! So perhaps I use A1 without to know it!?

Good questions! I do not know much about patent law.

I suspect that it is against the patent to use A1 even if it is not listed, but at this point I doubt it is worth

the time and money of the makers of Pheromax to go after these small companies.

I reviewed the patent again, and

noticed it is over ten years old. I wonder if it has expired, in which case I don't know why more products

wouldn't include it in the product listing.

The patent info is

here:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=qwU...ndrostadienone

I don't think anyone (except

the manufacturers) knows if NPA or TE contains A1 for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Anybody have any more

definitive info about the use of A1?

-CAt

[WorkingMann]

CAT I don't think they can

be the only one who are allowed to use it in mixes and tell it in the ingredient list..
Look at this

link:

[url]http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-skeptic16jul16,1,740671.story?coll=la-headlines-health[/u

rl]

Drugstores also sell tubes of (Name hidden because of rules)hair gel for men, containing

androstadienone, for about $6

but again..I also found

this:
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1485
so you may anyway prove to be right..

But

the reason for I made this post was because I believe I had searched AromaSciences homepage and found somewhere they

mentioned Androstadienone.. But I can't seem to find it now but I think it was when I sought for Dr. Dodd but I

can't find what I remember (even though it wasn't that long ago).
So when I can't prove anything I'm not gonna

say you're wrong..

[Mtnjim]

If I remember correctly the patten

says manufacturers can't add it to a scented product.

[CAtriathlete]

CAT I don't think they can be the only one who are allowed to use it in mixes and tell

it in the ingredient list..
Look at this link:



http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...adlines-health



Drugstores also sell tubes of (Name hidden because of rules)hair gel for men, containing

androstadienone, for about $6

but again..I also found

this:
http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1485
so you may anyway prove to be right..

But

the reason for I made this post was because I believe I had searched AromaSciences homepage and found somewhere they

mentioned Androstadienone.. But I can't seem to find it now but I think it was when I sought for Dr. Dodd but I

can't find what I remember (even though it wasn't that long ago).
So when I can't prove anything I'm not gonna

say you're wrong..

I think their patent covers perfumes and the like, but not hair gels. And I thought

I read that there are a few other companies that pay the Pheromax company for the rights to use it in their

products. In any case, it's a complicated issue, and there's no knowing what the secret ingredients are in these

products. And since I think A1 is such an important ingredient, I want to make sure I am using it and not hope that

it is a secret ingredient.

That's why I only use products which have listed ingredients and their amounts (A7,

SOE, A1). IMHO, it's the only way to really figure out the mone proportions that work best for you. But that's

just my approach.

-CAt

[oscar]

I think

their patent covers perfumes and the like, but not hair gels. And I thought I read that there are a few other

companies that pay the Pheromax company for the rights to use it in their products. In any case, it's a

complicated issue, and there's no knowing what the secret ingredients are in these products. And since I think A1

is such an important ingredient, I want to make sure I am using it and not hope that it is a secret ingredient.



That's why I only use products which have listed ingredients and their amounts (A7, SOE, A1). IMHO, it's the

only way to really figure out the mone proportions that work best for you. But that's just my approach.



-CAt

CAt,

It's not PHEROMAX but PHERIN who holds the patent on the use of A1 in

combination with a fragrance.

PHERIN is an American outfit connected with EROX (former manufacturers of

REALM), while

Pheromax is a product made by NuLife, a

German company.

Whichever entity (PHERIN or EROX) actually holds the patent, they HAVE licensed the rights to

other companies to use A1 in fragrances. The ones I know of are AVON for their "PERCEIVE" line of phero products,

and Niche Marketing who currently distribute REALM.


Oscar

[terry0400-40]

Pheroline also advertise to have Androstadienone in their scented pheromone product.

[CAtriathlete]

CAt,



It's not PHEROMAX but PHERIN who holds the patent on the use of A1 in combination with a fragrance.



PHERIN is an American outfit connected with EROX (former manufacturers of

REALM), while

Pheromax is a product made by NuLife, a

German company.

Whichever entity (PHERIN or EROX) actually holds the patent, they HAVE licensed the rights to

other companies to use A1 in fragrances. The ones I know of are AVON for their "PERCEIVE" line of phero products,

and Niche Marketing who currently distribute REALM.


Oscar

Thanks for the clarity, Oscar. I was

aware it was the Erox company, but called it the Pheromax company for simplicity-- it seems many people on here are

more product than company oriented. But it is nice to have you clear up all of the relationships.

In any case,

would you not agree that A1 would be used a lot more (or at least listed as an ingredient a lot more) if it weren't

for the patent? IMHO, A1 is just as important as -NONE, -RONE, and -NOL, but because of the patent it doesn't get

the attention it deserves.

-CAt