I think Sue knows where to
get it, she makes her own perfume. I'll try to find out and post it.
Sooo... my EW
arrived today!!! Woohoo!
Now... I need to dilute this puppy before I can even begin to use it with other
mones.
Water and ethanol from what I've read in the archives.
Where do I find ethanol - at the
pharmacy?
Other question - I read a suggested 1: 200 dilution
Since I do not want to be counting 200 drops
for 1 drop of EW
and since 200 oz is too much: Could someone give me a more concrete idea?
Someting like:
-
x drops for 1 oz of ethanol/water
- x drops for 2 oz
Then when I have it diluted - still fairly strong
though - I can use it to spike my other mones that do not have any copulins in them and should! Then I will cover
the whole kit and caboodle with my perfume (Intuition) or some scented spray.
Thanks for your help!
I think Sue knows where to
get it, she makes her own perfume. I'll try to find out and post it.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
ok, Sue emailed me - she
uses a special perfumers alcohol - I have a website for it but I don't think we're allowed to post links on here.
Perhaps a product Bruce should be stocking??? It seems like a lot of people might want to buy it. It's called
"SnowDrift Farm" and if you extrapolate you can find it on the web. Hope this helps.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
Thanks Koolking 1! I've
actually been looking around at essential oils and things of the like. But for right now I should hold off and just
use the pre-made stuff. I still have to work once in a while as well!
Yep, I'm an experienced Googler and
that's plenty of info. Although I think the rule is probably meant for competing products and ethanol or this
isn't. But better we be good right!
Now all I need is a trick for 200:1 so I don't have to be counting 200
drops!
If worse comes to worse I'll just sniff-ball it! (that's the pheromone's person equivalent of
eye-balling it!) <img>
Naughtie
YouOriginally Posted by koolking1
can post a link to non-competitive sites. A perfumer's site shouldn't be a problem.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
NaughtyGirl,
To shortcut put one
drop of the EW in 9 drops of diluent and mix to bring it to 10% concentration.
Then take one drop of that and
add 19 drops of diluent/fragrance to get 20 drops at a .5% concentration. That's the equivalent of 200:1 (or more
accurately 199:1)
This .5% concentration of the commercially available version of EW would be the equivalent of
a .005% concentration of the noxious, legendary "beta" version of EW.
The resulting product would have the same
concentration of Copulins as PPA/w, and one-fifth the concentration of PCC.
Oscar
Hey Oscar,
I understand
that, and it sounds good. But I do not have the Beta version, so 200:1 maybe is diluted too mucht? One fifth the
concentration of PCC does not seem worth the trouble of messing with EW. How about double the concentration of PCC?
(For those special nights!)
Would it be: One drop of 10% concentration and then 4 drops of diluent/fragrance
to get same as PCC concentration?
Naughtie
PS Looks like no matter what I'll counting drops - LOL
NG,Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
Once you've got that batch of 10% EW mixed up you've got the makings for 10
different experiments with its concentration.
3 drops of fragrance added to 1 drop of the .1 EW will give you
the equivalent of PCC, but I'd strongly recommend experimenting some at that concentration before thinking about
doubling it. I've always tried to take advantage of the research that the real pros have already done for me, and I
doubt that Stone Labs arrived at PCC's .025% concentration by accident.
The 200:1 ratio for your EW isn't
unreasonable considering that many people were diluting the beta in a range between 4,000:1 and 20,000:1 .
(A few
of the ladies were putting 3 or 4 drops of the beta into a GALLON of distilled water to make a body spray. That's
something like 76,800 drops of water to 3 or 4 drops of b-EW!!!)
The current version is 1% the strength of the
beta, so the 40:1 to 200:1 dilution guidelines for your product are extrapolated directly from the huge numbers
above.
You can probably avoid going cross-eyed counting out drops by using a graduated pipette or an insulin
syringe. But I'd recommend you do the small batch "drop experiments" first, and let some of the batches sit and
steep for a while before deciding on an optimal dilution. EW will "bloom" when mixed with a fragrance and may
totally overwhelm the scent over time. The dilution that smells good today as soon as you've mixed it may smell
terrible a week or two down the road. Don't put any considerable quantities of a fragrance at risk of becoming
worthless.
Oscar
Wow - Now
there's some very useful information! Great! I will most certainly do that.
For now I'm off to the mall to
get some more fragrances before we get hit with another foot or two of snow here in the NE. Maybe I'll dable with
some aromatherapy fragrances. I really need to be more careful with covering the scent of these pheromones. For the
past 2 days my husband keeps asking me if I've been eating garlic! Any strange odor is interpreted as garlic by him
because I've been known to overdo it with the garlic. Mediterranean cooking, ya know! (I think it's the Pherone
W-1 - All of the other stuff hasn't arrived yet)
Thanks Oscar!
Naughtie
I too have
experimented a LOT with EW, and what I usually do is this....I take a 10 ml roll on perfume bottle, and put in 1 ml
EW, to 9 ml of perfume oil. Mixing that amount allows me to use it rather quickly, so it doesn't sit around long
enough to get noxious. Also, it seems to do better with oils than with alcohol based colognes. I have tried a lot
of different concentrations, and this one always seems to get results. I have found some of the best cover scents
to be musk, amber, or a blend of the two (smells good with a few drops of vanilla added, too).
Last edited by dolly; 03-11-2005 at 09:22 PM. Reason: Error
Naughty.....FYI....another hint about the EW itself. In case you haven't read in earlier posts, there have been
some instances of the EW "melting" the rubber gasket in the dropper lid over time. I would suggest storing the EW
in a plain glass perfume bottle with a regular lid.
Hi Dolly,
Thank you so much, that is invaluable information. I was wondering about water/alcohol/oil? I just
bought some glass bottles yesterday and I'm starting to play around with essential oils. Found an Ylang-Ylang /Myrh
combination that smells great. I'll try that one first!
Hey Naughty....here is
another item to note.......if you think you need to use a stronger concentration, keep this in mind......the EW
mixes smell a lot different when you first put them on......I ran some experiments with my boyfriend, and had him
help me check this theory out. When you first put it on, the mix may smell too strong, and kind of like vinegar,
but after you wait for about 5 minutes, the EW smell fades nicely, and all you smell is the cover scent. I have
personally found that I get better results with the stronger mixes.....PCC gave me NO results....just didn't have
the "kick" I was looking for.
If you let it sit on your skin
a whiile then cover it, you'll get the best coverage.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
So
aside from a pre-dilution experiment or two, I should also try to say dilute 1:10, then put it on (sparingly I'm
sure) and then cover it up?
Boy I better do this during the day, so I can hop in the shower in case I need
to!<img>
Has anyone experimented with
putting drops of EW into scented body cream ? i just got my EW and don't really know what to do with it as I don't
know where to get Ethanol from and am not sure if it's best to mix EW with alcohol or an oil based product like
scented body oil or cream ?
can anyone help ?
I think FTR tried that a long
time ago with the beta EW. She had to dilute it pretty heavily first but reported positive results. Try a search for
cream or lotion, you might find it.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Originally Posted by soap
I do not dilute it
prior to mixing with the scented products, and I have personally had better results with oil based products than
alcohol based (I put it directly in perfume oils). And, I have mixed it with scented body cream. It works pretty
good. But, since you're applying it to a larger surface area, you should mix it at about half the strength that
you would mix it in perfume. Hope this helps!!!!
Guess I should have mentioned
that the beta EW was far stronger. It would peel paint at 20 yards.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
That's what IOriginally Posted by belgareth
heard.....I would like to get hold of some, though.....just to see what it can do, as compared to the new kind.
I gave my bottle away after it
caused me a bit of trouble. A man should never get home from work smelling of female, even at the subliminal
level.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Originally Posted by belgareth
Very true....not a good thing!!!!
Originally Posted by dolly
A very bad thing, indeed!!
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Hi Naughty,
I didn't read
through all the posts, but I'll tell you what I do. I get those sample purfumes, and add one drop to the little
bottle. It still stinks a bit, but much better than EW straight! Also, from what I understand, reading the posts,
a lot of people use Bath and Body Works Cucumber something lotion to mix it with EW. I guess it's a good cover up.
I'm going to try it.
Hope all is going well,
Bindy
Hey thanks Bindy - Yep
I came across that cucumber thing as well. Must be a good cover smell because there is another product ( I forgot
which one) that is cucumber scented. I'll first dilute it in some perfumers alcohol I ordered.
Originally Posted by NaughtyGirl
FYI---PCC is the one that is cucumber-melon scented. I don't use that scent because
fruits and/or florals just don't smell good on me....and PCC gave me no results....guess it just wasn't strong
enough.
Actually yes
that's what I thought. I just wasn't sure enough of it to write it down. I haven't really tried the cucumber
scent yet. My all time favorite is Intuition (Estee Lauder). And for more active (working out) I like the
mango/mandarin scented lotion from Bath and Body Works.
So Naughtie, have you had any
success with your EW mixes yet? I've had some mild success with PCC (I like it, and think it has mild pro-erotic
effects on me and my husband) so I'm wondering if EW would be even better.
Nope, not yet. Just
got home last night and I'm getting ready to dilute my first batch per Oscar's instructions in this thread. Then I
will go for an oil-based further dilution and another alcohol based further dilution.
I'm thinking of trying
Tommy Girl for the alcohol based dilution. My mom had bought it for my young daughter, but my daughter (who is a
real tomboy at this stage) doesn't want to wear perfume. It happens to smell like cucumber/honeydew melon, so I'm
hoping it will work well with the EW since the PCC has that kind of a smell.
I'll let you know as soon as I
have sth to report!
I used PCC and Phermol Factor/w
last night with very good success. Hadn't really played around with the Phermol Factor, will have to give that
more of a try. It doesn't have a great fragrance, so I don't use it too much. Once you put it on the smell
pretty much disappears though.
I will try diluting the EW into my BBW Cucumber Melon body cream tonight, and see
how it goes.
Bindy
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