cutler = no credibility
Only thing interesting about the report i want to bring up was that some phermone researcher, mentioned
on the report as the most famous phermone researcher in the nation by the last name of cutler, makes a phermone that
costs 100bucks for a small bottle to which she says is the only phermone product on the market thats scientifically
proven to work or has credible scientific background. Thoughts?
cutler = no credibility
I missed the TV broadcast, but
here's the web version:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1386825
Looks
like those wearing pheromones were twice as sucessful in their twins challange.
Dont know about the pheromone
she sells, but for a $100 bucks it better work lol. Dang it they aired about pheromones on tv, and on 20/20. They
letting all the secrets out.
You better watch out behind you becuase you never know you might see me coming at you hard. (If you catch my driff). That was dedicated to only if the ladies read my signature. Fella's please disregard this.
I read most of the material on
Dr. Cutler's site and she comes off as a wantabe, spending too much time ringing her own bell and dissing
competition. She needs to hire a professional writer and web designer. What doggie prose and funky design. With such
poor attention to detail it makes your wonder about her product...
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Just to throw alittle common sense into theLooks like those wearing
pheromones were twice as sucessful in their twins challange.
whole "twins chalenge" thing,I had the good fortune and bad fortune of growing up right next door to the most
adorable identical twins you could ever hope for.In addition to that,there were three other sets of identical twins
in my rather small high school.But so called "identical" twins arent even close to identical except for
appearance.Using one twin against another in this sort of thing will automaticly produce different
results,pheromones or not.In the case of the girls next door,one twin was friendly and outgoing,while the other twin
was generaly quiet and unfriendly.Her sister would get lots of dates while she usualy didnt have a date or was stuck
with the geeky guy that her sister was able to fix her up with.Was this pheromones? No.It was simply a matter of
approachability on the part of the one twin while the other made herself difficult to approach.This was true of the
male twins as well.A girlfriends twin brothers were as different as night and day.One was friendly,outgoing and
extroverted and always had dates and things to do with friends,while the other twin was broody and quiet and didnt
have alot of friends or dates.
Pheromones may initialy get a persons attention,but if you make someone feel like
they should leave you alone...they will!
I knew a set of identical twins
and one was gay while the was other straight.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Here is what they should have done.
Take two guys. The same age. One is a 9 on a scale of 10,with a good job. The other is a 4,with a not so good job.
The 4 wears the mones. Do the same with 2 women. One is a 9 and the other is a slightly obese 4. The 4 wears the
mones. Now we'll see the power of mones in action.
Studying peoples reactions in a
controled environment over long periods of time is usualy the best and most accurate way to determine what is
what.The pheromones that we use here were discovered and developed by people working in a very carefuly controled
environment using state of the art technology and taking years...nay...decades to arrive at the findings they have
produced.J.V.Kohl provides us a glimps into this world in his various posts around these forums.Many of the links he
provides to articles on the subject of pheromones display findings that were developed in a labratory setting over
many years by people who have been working so hard that they dont realize that the T.V. series M*A*S*H* was
canceled.Altho I dont realy know that much about J.V.Kohl's personal life,he may be one of those people,as he is
one of those very researchers.
Simply slapping some pheromones on some twins and calling it science is pure
folly.What we (the people who use pheromones) do is use what they have found in a scentific setting out in the real
world and develop a plethora of anecdotal evidence based on extremely unscentific methods and practices.The reason
we have products that work is because people like J.V.Kohl did the real work for us.
dr cutler = no credibility = media
attention seeker. Media goes to her becuase of previous media exposure
Which sheOriginally Posted by Watcher
uses to market her over-priced products.
Many times in the various fields
surrounding health and whatnot there are individuals that will make totaly unsubstantiated statements regarding the
bennefits of a particular product based entirely uppon suposition and assumption.While thier logic may seem very
sensable,what they are claiming fails to pass the test of scentific discovery.Many of these products are marketed
with claims of enlarging a part of your body,reducing body fat,growing hair,making you younger and so forth.These
people may or may not actualy believe thier own press,but what puts them on the map is thier energetic presentation
of all the assumed bennefits of using thier product.
The more they spew,the more people are likely to buy into
it and purchase thier product.Penis enlargement products are a classic example,but its also true in such fields as
car sales.As a former car salesman(I didnt last long cuz I couldnt stand lying to people)the rule was to creat
excitement.Approach the customer with and energetic and excited demeanor,and dont stop.Get the customer excited and
keep them that way.The longer you keep it up,the better the results will be.The next thing is to play uppon thier
insecurities.Look at the car they are driving and make it seem like you think they are driving a second class pile
of crap.That gives you leverage in cramming them into a newer,nicer car.Next,you get to make claims about your
products safety,horsepower,performance and comfort that almost any car today has.But you have to present it as
though yours is the ONLY one that has these features.Features like...seat belts!
We have all watched
info-mercials on late night T.V. and if you didnt know better than to buy into thier crap you would think that they
have finaly found a cure for EVERYTHING! The reality is that the product they are selling,while neatly packaged and
presented,realy isnt all that great.But they have a sales pitch that is second to none and they have claims of
scentific studies to back them up.But thats where the rubber meets the road...the science.Thats where Cuttler falls
appart.The people who realy do know what they are talking about,and have the credentials and the accomplishments to
prove it have already debunked the assumptions that these people are touting as fact.
Tim Perper did this with body language; he studied (as did many of his students)Originally Posted by tim929
personal space barriers, gestures like the hair flip, touching, gaze--as in his book "Sex Signals: The Biology of
Love." He did a prepublication review of my book "The Scent of Eros" and wrote: "A challenging and original work at
the cutting edge of sexual science..." Tim recognized the potential role of human pheromones several years before
most people had even heard of them. No wonder, after all his studies, he still knew there must be something commonly
referred to as "chemistry" between people who ended up progressing through the courtship sequence, and those who
didn't. My point is, that he took years to collect and integrate his observations. Why didn't he just send some
twins into a bar or other social situation, observe and report their behavior, and then market a book with a title:
"Smart moves you can make to get laid?" Thankfully, Tim is a researcher, not a marketer. Cutler is a marketer.
The subtitle of my book: "Mysteries of Odor in Human Sexuality" says a lot. There's still much to learn,
and therein lies the difference between people like Winnifred Cutler and Tim Perper. Cutler's marketing approach
(and others like her) is an attempt to make people think she knows it all; Perper doesn't market anything--and has
never claimed to know it all, or more than a small part of the picture.
Then, I come along, after reading
Perper's well stated and meaningful observations, and corresponding with Tim for several years. Another ten years
go by, and I write a book; another 5 years and I develop a product. All the while I'm attending conferences, and
presenting an integrated approach to physical attraction with a mammalian model to back it up. Then, last year's
Nobel Prize winner: Richard Axel (Physiology and/or Medicine), linked to from his Axel
Labs site:
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/neu...xel/links.html and to top it off, he listed the
link as one of two sites set up by colleagues involved in "Retail Aroma.".
What about Cutler's site, or any
other besides the Erox products site? Anyone who knows anything about, or respects researchers wouldn't bother.
With recent information that seriously challenges (if not debunks) the human VNO approach, Axel Labs has only one
link to "Retail Aroma" that is still viable with regards to human pheromone-enhanced products.
What? Cancelled? When? Where was I?Originally Posted by tim929
Thank you for your kind comments. It is very gratifying to know there are real peopleOriginally Posted by tim929
who understand the effort involved. If not for other motorcycle enthusiasts (i.e., bikers), I would not have
survived.
Again, thanks. IOriginally Posted by tim929
still find it somewhat regretable that SoE products were featured in the UK broadcast of "The Aprhodisiac Test."
Despite the free advertising, the show exemplified the products in a twin study--or so I'm told. I haven't seen
the show. On the other hand, it brought lots of attention to the concept of human pheromones, and via my site it
brought attention to the Love-Scent site. Even the 20/20 show brought attention to my site and the true concept of
human pheromones. In any case, there appears to be some hope for the future. Anyone who wants the truth behind the
concept and the products will be more likely to end up there (and here), regardless of the many scammers who are out
to make buck. And, eventually, more knowledge about the reality of human physical attraction will be
disseminated--a good thing, since knowledge is power.
JVK
In 1996, I co-authored a journalOriginally Posted by Gegogi
article with Milton Diamond for 'Hormones and Behavior" which now has the highest impact factor of any similar
journal. Milton Diamond subsequently discovered the truth about two male twins (one raised as a girl; the other "As
Nature Made Him.") For many years, and in all the college texts it was stated that nurture (how you were raised)
triumphed over "nature" your genetic predisposition (in this case, genetically predisposed to be male). In other
words, if a male was raised as a female, he would grow to behave like a "normal" female. This "lie" was taught to
students for decades, and only recently did the truth about the nature and nurture of human sexuality become known
(there is no dichotomy; nature and nurture work together). The developmental outcomes of nature and with it the
social-environmental influence of nurture are now being more fully explored--with all their diversity (like Gegogi
indicates). Next on my agenda is an invited article for a special edition of the Journal of Psychology and Human
Sexuality--another opportunity to detail the role of pheromones in the development of human sexual
behavior.
JVK
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