I'd be very interested in
knowing this as well.
Anyone know?
I'd be very interested in
knowing this as well.
Anyone know?
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Last edited by mrhorn300; 06-15-2008 at 07:19 PM.
mrhorn300,Originally Posted by mrhorn300
IF drops of
NPA are about the same
size as PI drops, then
they'd contain just less than half the A-None PI has.
The
Product Table lists NPA as having a total of 0.48
mg/mL. According to reliable sources, half of that is A-none and the other half is another (undisclosed)
pheromone.
If you're coming out with an estimate of 20 mcg of A-None per drop of PI, then you're estimating
that PI delivers 25 drops to the milliliter, right?
So,....
(using mgs. since that's where I'm most
comfortable)
Taking the TOTAL phero content of NPA/m....0.48 mg/ml,
Dividing by 2 to figure the A-None in 1
mL.....0.24 mg/mL,
Dividing by 25 to figure the A-None per drop..0.0096 mg/drop
Moving 3 decimal places (for
mcgs.).............9.6 mcg/drop
....again, that's ASSUMING that NPA goes 25 drops to the
mL.
BUT!,...
Before dosing NPA based solely on its ACTUAL A-None content, bear in mind that the "secret"
phero is very "A-None-LIKE" in terms of both its aroma and its tendency to act as a catalyst for the A-None.
For
this reason I usually mix and apply NPA treating it as though it was an "A-None ONLY" product.
One drop per
application seems to do the trick for me, and younger guys may want to use even less.
Oscar
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Last edited by mrhorn300; 06-15-2008 at 07:19 PM.
what substance could this possibly be? any clues?Originally Posted by oscar
Thanks oscar! That was a
great explanation.
Per my experience, I think the other "undisclosed" ingredient gives you more of an
aggressive vibe with NPA...whereas the "undisclosed" ingredients that accompany the -none in PI do not repel women
as much.
Point being, for some reason even when I OD and smell badly with PI girls still react favorably...but
when I OD on NPA girls get scared and guys get very intimidated. It really makes me wonder what these "undisclosed"
ingredients are because OD'ing is so different with them.
There are noOriginally Posted by smooth312
undisclosed ingrediants in PI, PI only contains 5mg of pure .none in a mineral oil base.
bronzie,Originally Posted by bronzie
Not true.
There ARE undisclosed ingredients in PI, however they're not
pheromones but rather "olfactory-stimulating" components, which as we all know CAN have both psychoactive as well as
physiological effects.
Oscar
Oscar, where is that stated? the
only thing I came across on Primal was this Lab report on thier promotional web page stating only .none in the
product,
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I like Primal, although it does have a few drawbacks, it's very strong, you can easily OD and does not
mix with anything because of the mineral base, the stuff is like a Vaseline.
bronzie,Originally Posted by bronzie
I knew
as soon as I posted that that it'd be harder for me to find that source than it would be for you to NOT find
it.
It could have been in an email from Primal's manufacturer that was posted by a forum member back when
Primal last altered their carrier, or it could have been in the form of a Press Release. Maybe it was on the old
"Primal.com", which looks now to be something totally non-phero related.
I've already scanned most of Bruce's
posts where he mentions Primal, but didn't see it there.
Until such time that I DO locate it, please realize
that it's doubtful that both smooth312 and I BOTH hallucinated this.
I'm not in the habit of pulling things
out of my ass here, but the possibility exists that the online reference source, may no longer be
accessible.
I myself have picked the scent of Camphor out of the Primal recipe, but to be honest, that may
only be in there as a preservative.
I'll keep looking while awaiting further corroboration.
Oscar
Campor? is that a wax? i knew
there was something in Primal other than .none, i have alpha 7, and it smells very different from primal, and i
believe its not only because of the base
Camphor is health hazard
according to some web sites, i still dont understand what it is
Primal is elusive, its the only product that
i have noticed to crystalize in sub zero temp, all other products, including oil based, dont.
There is
something in this product that is doing this, and it might be a good thing for the skin?
bronzie,
According to
this fairly recent thread the
"secret ingredients" are mentioned in an instruction sheet that arrives with a Primal purchase.
I haven't
purchased any Primal/m for several years, but since I rarely throw anything out, that sheet is probably in my files
here somewhere.
Oscar
Thanks for the link Oscar, yeah,
I gathered there is something in PI, some suggested it's the mineral oil base, whatever it is, it's a good
product, but stubborn and does not work very well for me in very cold winter climate, it just tends to sit on the
skin like glue and does not diffuse easily. I have gone through 1- 1/2 bottles of PI in 5 years, and the reason why
I bought Alpha 7 this year, was not because of it's higher .none ratio, but because of it's oil base, I noticed
from years ago that PI crystalized frozen suggesting to me that it had a weird base, and Alter Ego that is oily,
didn't.
PI does have something in addition
to Anone, and I believe it is not just carrier, rather it seems to be an active modifier phero.
No written proof
anywhere, but I can tell from experience with few bottles of it, vs few other Anone products and chemsets.
It
changed over the years as well, used to be quite aggressive (anone only-like), then recently, last year or so it
lost its edge in aggressiveness, but not in the positive reactions.
I remember long time ago, first application
of a new bottle, and it was like a bomb exploded in everyone including myself, Bruse Willis aggression in everyone
including self. Not anymore, luckily
PI (smell) is different than straight anone, and its effect is strong, ie,
the additive is not delutant.
Its OD is a little forgiving more than Anone alone, and also its effects are
different, in a better way.
Every mix I used PI in, failed miserably. I have to apply it then add any other
separately on skin. Carrier is mineral most likely.
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Last edited by mrhorn300; 06-15-2008 at 07:18 PM.
Did not try that. It is quite thick,
so I guess that dab would be at least a drop, if not more.
If I dab it is with the plastic thing on, just til I
see a film on my finger, not a bulge of liquid.
2 such dabs are enough for 4-5 hrs in my experience, and still I
get a wiff of it now and then.
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