Bronzie, are you using the male or
female Excites? A few years ago Bruce, kicked me a couple of free ones, of the male, with an order. Damn those
SOB's worked wonderfully. But I haven't been able to get them since.
Out last night, sat
against a wall like a wall fly with my beer, a girl walked by causually, stopped, then for approx 10-15 seconds her
eyes stunned as if stunned from a tourch starred at me, she didnt even move a muscle. Just looked. Straight at me! I
love this phenomenon.
However, after she broke out of the spell she walked off, about 1 hr later, I
approached this same girl, she wasnt interested for whatever reason.
My conclusion, DIHL are just that, a
strange phenomenon, and really do nothing (in my experience at least) in getting the girl in the end. I believe, you
have a 10-15 second window of opportunity with these women, while they are in that state to actually make a hit,
otherwise like a scared rabbit, they just run away.
I enjoy the phenomenon, (gives me a power hit) however,
it does nothing for my game.
By the way, I used Xcite wipes, (or for some of you that know, the liquid form
of this product) so a straight .nol product I assume. However, the night before, I had used AE, so there might have
been some left over scent, but I did shower well, so if there was, it was minimal.
Bronzie, are you using the male or
female Excites? A few years ago Bruce, kicked me a couple of free ones, of the male, with an order. Damn those
SOB's worked wonderfully. But I haven't been able to get them since.
Ummm, yes andOriginally Posted by bronzie
no.
I've had both the "window of opportunity" (damn...) and the eyes locked on me all day thingy. A few weeks
ago I was working with a 25ish euro woman who stared at me all day long , I honestly thought there was something
wrong with ME ! ( food on my chin or something) Every time I went to ask her something she was all googly eyed
looking at me intensly. To be honest it was a bit creepy... but nice.
(3 drops of my magic mix)
early 40's white male or or
tongue,Originally Posted by tounge
using the male wipes, I still own a batch of those, good because they stopped manking them a few years ago, but you
can get the same Xcite wipes in liquid form, same manufacturer, same .mones, same scent. Just under a different
name, since love scent doesnt sell this product, I wont state the name on the forum, however you can pm me if you
like.
By the way, a good product like SOE, will get this effect, and for some reason, I get alot of hugs from
women ive just met , when using SOE.
Originally Posted by bronzie
Thanks for the info. I may look into this at a later
date. I have used SOE since it first came out. I have used it to great effect, however it can be somewhat
inconsistant. Also when when the SOE is on it can also lead to the wrong people BSing your leg off.
Yes, ive noticed this too with SOE, some times it works great, sometimes, i feel like it doesntOriginally Posted by tounge
do anything, it is inconsistant, its a good product, but a strange one, maybe its the .rone doing this?
.rone
in my experience tends to make this a unpredictable, like AE, one day, it works like a charm, the next,
nothing.
they say .rone is the masculine, stabilizer pheromone that makes all other .mones more pronounced,
im not sure about that..
Originally Posted by bronzie
I agree with you 100%. Rone is very unpredictable. Even the so called Pheromone experts, in my
opinion don't fully understand its effects.
Hey yo.... at times like these Ericksonian language patterns come inOriginally Posted by bronzie
mighty handy... you have to practice them in your spare time until they flow out naturally and poetic.... 'cos
while she's floating out there in the stars you have a great opportunity to have a dialog with her unconscious
mind... when you start learning them they seem awkward..."there are quiet moments when you feel like you're on
another plane with someone floating above it all to tahiti or bora bora and you settle into your seat and adjust it
until you are completely comfortable with another way of looking at things at some moment in the future when this
present moment is the past and the future is the present that was wrapped in beautiful japanese paper when time felt
like it was slowing down comforters are so soft and enveloping on a cool night and you settle into an new experience
of gravity letting you go free as a child again..." .... ummmm... try the Hypnotic Patterns of Milton Erickson
volumes I and II ... and practice, practice, practice so you'll know what to do when the moment arises...
bronzie,Yes, ive noticed this
too with SOE, some times it works great, sometimes, i feel like it doesnt do anything, it is inconsistant, its a
good product, but a strange one, maybe its the .rone doing this?
.rone in my experience tends to make this a
unpredictable, like AE, one day, it works like a charm, the next, nothing.
they say .rone is the masculine,
stabilizer pheromone that makes all other .mones more pronounced, im not sure about that..
I've been using pheromones for several years now. I'm a kind of "big dad" type fella and rone tends to play to
that strength more for me. I am currently reading J. V. Kohl's book "The scent of Eros" that is sold here at
love-scent.
The problem with your pheromone products being "inconsistant" (as you state) is not that they don't
work, there are just factors that are being overlooked.
First of all, the "big dad" thing can be a good thing
itself, but it doesn't always get me laid either. My experience is that women tend to think of me in the "long
term" trend. I guess it all depends on what you are looking for. I've even been told that I've been that "too
good to be true" guy, which can accually SCARE women away (meaning THEY don't know what to do, if you can believe
THAT).
Plain and simple, if you are looking to get laid, where is she on her cycle (menstral)? That alone
sometimes is enough to make her more responsive to pheromones. (Ladies, am I wrong here?) Remember, there is no
"magic sex potion," but pheromones are the closest thing we have. I do believe they work because I've experienced
it, on many occasions.
You guys have to remember that this industry and study of pheromones in general is still
very young, and there is still a lot to be discovered. I recomend anyone reading this forum to read Mr. Kohl's
book because it is well written and very well researched. A lot of other people are just trying to make money in
this industry, and he actually did his homework.
I hope that helps...
Spivedog, great post, from a
newbie yet old member, what do you guys do, sit here dormant and reply every couple of years or so? your post was
good, pls contribute more often...
as for the .rone thing, my guess from your reply is that it beefs up that
"big dad" protector type guy, as you put it, so in essence you are saying .rone creates this effect, maybe, maybe
not, I dont know, however, from my very basic research on the net, .rone really is an unknown in its effects, unlike
.nol and .none, there is little evidence to suggest .rone does anything. its pure speculation.
about the
menstral cycle thing, you are spot on, on that one, all you need is some .none and she will go wild, happened to me
the other night, I knew this girl, and I knew she was on her cycle ( she told me ) and on purpose I applied PI
straight, she lit up like a firecracker, all night, all she talked about was sex, the whole night. very
interesting.
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bronzie,
I'm actually
researching here...
These might sound like a stupid questions, but:
1.) What part of her cycle was she
on?
2.) Was she just talking about sex, or was she flat out hitting on you?
Plus, did she happen to be on
her period at that point? Or are you talking about her point of ovulation (which is supposed to be directly
in-between periods)?
The reason I ask this is for everyone's educational benefit. I have experienced the type
of situation you are talking about (her lighting up like a firecracker on PI, none, ...whatever) many times, and
I've found that this usually happens when she is right in-between periods, or when she is ovulating (for all you
youngsters out there...lol)
I have to admit that I am kind of confused though. I have been laid several times
by women who were actually on their period by using PI. On each occasion, I'm not saying that she was like a
firecracker, but I did get laid, several times. This statement would counterdict my first one, which is why I
ask.
Oh, I'm not old, 29. I love this age; old enough to know better, still young enough to care less...
Some women get incrediably horney on theirOriginally Posted by Spivedog
periods. Some of this is said to be mental, e.g. no worrys about pregnacy.
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
I agree somewhat that the experts don't fully understand its effects. The problem is mostOriginally Posted by tounge
likely due to experts who do not know that natural -rone production will contribute to any effect, and no expert can
know any individual's natural level of -rone production. An alpha male who adds -rone, could overdue it, but most
of us are not alpha males.
Another problem is with use of the unscented SoE, since you would be relying only
on the active ingredients, -rone, and -nol, unless you use a cover scent. You may happen to meet a woman who is
extremely sensitive to the -rone, and with no cover, she gets the signal that you're too much for her, and though
initially attracted, runs away. So you decide to use a cover scent with the unscented product. The cover scent will
almost invariably contain some form of musk (very similar to the -nol), and you will smell like an "animal." Maybe
that's what she wants, but it's more likely that she wants a man who smells like a man, with a little added
fragrance that she can pleasantly relate to. That's the rationale behind the formulation of SoE (for men).
I've never discouraged mixing, as this may be required for some men to get effective results. However, I
have always encouraged those who wish to experiment to first gain some insight, for example, by reading my book--or
simply spending some time on my domain. At least this way you will have a better idea of what's required to create
an effective mix. About 15 years had passed between the time I first began to study pheromones and the time I was
able to come up with a product (with the help of Bruce, and an expert perfumer). If you think that other products
are comparable, I suggest that you examine how and when they became available, the compounds used, and who the heck
(if anyone) is responsible for research and development. Using these criteria, you will probably be able to
distinguish between marketing claims and scientifically based formulation.
One more thing, my ego demands
that I note that pheromone products, like Realm/Natural Attraction and Winnifred Cutler's Athena brands, began
their market approach in the early 1990's. What were they thinking? Didn't the dot com boom happen soon
thereafter? If I had thought that anything would ever come from the concept of human pheromones, I would have bought
the domain name--just in case. Oh, that's right... in 1996, I did! But I did not buy the domain as a marketing
tool. It remains heavily focussed on information dissemination, and only since 2001 has there been any associated
product.
JVK
Interesting Jim. I use to use the
scented SOE and enjoyed its scent somewhat, but was very pleased to see you come out with the unscented. I have over
100 different fragrances of all genres and prefer to cover with my own. And I usually mix SOE wiith Edge or NPA. My
question is, do you think any particular commercial fragrances are able to make your product more effacious,or was
the scented SOE done with that in mind?
Scented SoE incorporated all the available information on the popular fragrances/blends atOriginally Posted by tounge
the time. Note that popularity changes across generations. Whereas women in their 50's might find a fragrance
similar to "Old Spice" pleasant due to familiarity; women in their 30's might find it to smell "cheap." Similarly,
though fragrances that contained heavy doses of musky components, think "Andron" or "Jovan Musk; Jovan Musk 2",
might smell good to women in their 40's, their are few comparably "musky" fragrances being marketed today. This
means that younger womens' associations with--and what they think is a pleasant scent (more spice, citrus,
floral)--will be different than with older women.
Any attempt to make a mix or cover scent will incorporate
age differences and individual differences in a manner that moves product development towards something akin to
rocket science. Incorporate pheromones into the product and you get more complicated rocket science. Will your
rocket ever get off the launch pad? SoE was a sucessful launch, and now has a track record many years long. $20
million spent on marketing would get it to your local department stores so you could compare it with every other
fragrance on the shelf. We saved the money, and that should save you time--if you believe in the concept of human
pheromones. But there's probably little harm done by covering unscented SoE with a trendy or established fragrance.
You just end up competing with trendy others who smell like you. The pheromone content of unscented SoE gives you an
advantage (unconscious affect), but if you cover it with the "Brute" or "CK" that her ex always wore, she'll
evaluate your scent and might consciously attribute all his negative characteristics to you.
Will SoE become
dated? This seems unlikely, since it's not heavy on any particular fragrance component, and not on the shelf for
thousands of people to purchase. And, if SoE does become dated, you can always use the unscented version with a
cover scent. Meanwhile, I'd stick to the basics; they are complicated
enough.
JVK
I've never gotten a DIHL.
I
think my personal none must be low.
I use SOE as a basic- and I see it work on men and women (the glad hand - let
me tell you my life story effect).
JVKohl,
Are the gel packs scented
as well by default? I've noticed that the fragrance ( if there was one ) , isn't very strong.
I love the smell
though. It's nice and manly/musky.
NFS
Jim,
Thank you from everyone for your insight. I’ve purchased your book and have found it to be
fascinating. It is very well written as well as very informative. Although probably some of it being theoretical
at the time it was written, I can see where it has laid the basis for not only what we define pheromones to be; but
how we go about developing the new products of today; and even where the industry could be headed for sometime to
come. Long story short, you’ve really done your homework as far as research goes. And you should be applauded for
that.
I’m
kind of confused though on your whole take of a-none, and why you still don’t endorse it (as it is currently not in
any of your products even today). It seems as though (every) other manufacturer has accepted a-none as the
main pheromone that attracts the opposite sex (if you’re a man), and promotes sexual tension (if you will) in women.
I can see your basis for argument in your book at the time it was written, but it seems that as time has passed and
newer products have emerged, it seems as though the theory would be changed or
updated.
I’m not an
expert here, and I don’t know what really what it would take to become one, besides maybe lots of experience. But I
have experimented with all sorts of products for well over 6 years now myself. (It just wasn’t until recently that
I decided to get into the science of things, which is why I bought your book. But that’s another story).
With that said, I have
found none-rich products to do just that, increase sexual tension in women, when used in moderation. The PI’s, the
NPA’s, all of them did just that for me. Although SOE and AE are still some of my favorite products (I never go
wrong with these for various reasons), I guess it just depends on what someone would be looking for, and I’m just
wondering why such differences in theories.
I’ve never experienced a DIHL with SOE.
Also, I’ve stated in my
earlier post my belief in the infancy of this whole industry. As I’m sure you’ll agree, there is a lot to be
discovered in the world of pheromones and human sexuality. But any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Mr. Kohl.
P.S.- I like
the fragrance of SOE. I think it is just fine. Others around me like it as well. I have just never had anyone
wanting to jump me while using it alone.
Thoughts anyone???
Originally Posted by Spivedog
Hi spiv, she was talking about sex and hitting on me,
as for which part of her cycle, she was on her period, a long time ago it was taboo for a girl/woman to say when she
is on her period, these days, they almost boast about it freely, as if asking for sympathy! its quite funny.
Some women are at their hornest at that time and also feel free from feara long time ago it was
taboo for a girl/woman to say when she is on her period, these days, they almost boast about it freely, as if asking
for sympathy! its quite funny.
of pregnancy. Also they know many guys prefer women on the rag. Apparently the blood is a turn on for many men. In
Japan it's all the rage--old men smoking tampons and all. Personally I don't care for it--too gritty and
messy--but if I really like her I'll grin 'n bare it.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
jvkohl, SOE is pretty unique in
the fragrance world, I really have not come across a musky scent like that in commercial colognes at department
stores. Aprt from the pheromone aspect, one reason why I keep buying your product is because the scent is different
to what most guys wear. So many times, I meet dudes or just guys out on the town, they all smell like each other, I
recognise alot of commercial scents, and its so un-original to smell the same.
I know when I wear an Armani
suit, I wear it with pride, as it visually enhances me because I look different to anyone else, despite the fact
that Armani suits are quite common, but when I wear a cologne that is very common, it has a different effect on the
opposite sex, you just smell the same as everyone else, you lose your individuality.
It/s still possible for a woman to get pregnant on her period, although the chance is somewhatOriginally Posted by Gegogi
reduced and the chances of catching a sexually transmited disease is increased if you have intercourse with a fem on
her rags, even when wearing protection. Call me conservative and boring...but unless she is my GF, I would take a
miss...
Yeah, I know the feeling! Thanks, bronzie!Hi spiv, she was talking
about sex and hitting on me, as for which part of her cycle, she was on her period, a long time ago it was taboo for
a girl/woman to say when she is on her period, these days, they almost boast about it freely, as if asking for
sympathy! its quite funny.
It's clearI know when I wear an
Armani suit, I wear it with pride, as it visually enhances me because I look different to anyone else, despite the
fact that Armani suits are quite common, but when I wear a cologne that is very common, it has a different effect on
the opposite sex, you just smell the same as everyone else, you lose your individuality.
and logical thinking like this that makes humanity such an amazing fluke of nature. We should have all been eaten by
wild beasts or cast our sorry arses off cliffs by now. So, we can all wear the same suit but lose self if sprinkled
with the same cologne? I think not. A nice wrapper is fine 'n dandy but hardly a show stopper. Your individuality
is displayed most prominantly and meaningfully through your utterances, actions and ultimately the life force you
exude.
Back to the wrapper. Now even if we all wore the same cologne we'd still smell different as body
chemistry, amount of sweat and flora and fauna present are extremely individualistic. In other words, that fair
scent that smells like cirtus on one clown may be more akin to deer ass an another by dry down or hours hence.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Women aften behave towards men in direct realtionship to the quality of their relationship... if they have one....
things are going fine with the BF and they are are in their own safe bubble... they have problems and all of the
sudden other men are so fascinating to them... or they have one brand of extremo boyfriend who intially thrilled
them with his macho hormone surges and this has worn off... now he's a mentally unstable pud with authority
problems.... and you, yes you... happen along at the right time and you're a sensitive metrosexual with big soft
eyes.... faster than she can say restraining order you have become God's new gift to womankind....
surfs_up i got those two books they are
great
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Last edited by chicago; 04-08-2011 at 03:34 PM.
Originally Posted by Gegogi
Dude, I see your attempts in bieng sarcastic with my comments, but it isn/t working, at
least in my eyes. However, your right about some humans being flukes of nature, I know I am a rare specimen and
inherited all the great virtues nature has to offer.
You totally missed my point, wearing a nice suit shows
your form visually, physically, it/s a visual stimuli, and everyone looks different physically and a Nice suit will
usually enhance the good points of a wearer, wearing a cologne triggers a different response from those who smell
it, simply because scents work on a different human stimuli. The Nose!
A girl can close her eyes and smell a
cologne and recognize it as just one of the pack if she in her past has meet enough guys that have worn that
particular scent, she will pigeon hole you in a particular category, thus in essence you do lose a sense of being
individual, and perceived as not acting unique and applying a common boring scent that everyone wears.
As for
a scent being changed by individual body chemistry, sure to some slight degree, but most people can smell CK or ISSY
on anyone that wears it. It just smells better on some and worse on others.
Ya... Erickson is the man... the dopest of the dope... and there is an awesome mountain ofOriginally Posted by chicago
work about him or by him or by people working closely in the field...... this freaked my brain, 'coz I found that I
was learning about 1000% more from reading the books than attending most NLPesque seminars.... I mean, how ass
backwards is this... the highly paid "master trainers", God knows where they find most of these jokers these days,
only appear to have a limited understranding of Erickson's stuff, what is right there on the page if you want to
study it...the mother of all serious Ericksonian works is Therapeutic Trances, The Cooperation
Principle in Ericksonian Hypnotherapy by Stephen G. Gilligan ... it isn't your usual dime a dozen how-to
manual for the frustrated gentleman ... as a matter of fact it can be somewhat intimidating until you take your time
and start getting into the flow of it... absorb what Gilligan has learned for a lifetime of deep work with hypnosis
and you'll have something precious and valuable, real knowledge ...
Okay so I may be getting
DIHL.
My girlfriend commented that this fairly young girl (late 20's) was locked on me at the mall. Apparently
just radar tracked me and stared the entire time we were near her. I'd put on wagg-n (and soe only that day.
I
apparently didn't notice it. I can be fairly damn clueless sometimes.
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