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The Effect of Meat
Consumption on Body Odor Attractiveness
By Havlicek J, Lenochova P
Axillary body odor is individually
specific and potentially a rich source of information about its producer. Odor individuality partly results from
genetic individuality, but the influence of ecological factors such as eating habits are another main source of odor
variability. However, we know very little about how particular dietary components shape our body odor. Here we
tested the effect of red meat consumption on body odor attractiveness. We used a balanced within-subject
experimental design. Seventeen male odor donors were on "meat" or "nonmeat" diet for 2 weeks wearing axillary pads
to collect body odor during the final 24 h of the diet. Fresh odor samples were assessed for their pleasantness,
attractiveness, masculinity, and intensity by 30 women not using hormonal contraceptives. We repeated the same
procedure a month later with the same odor donors, each on the opposite diet than before. Results of repeated
measures analysis of variance showed that the odor of donors when on the nonmeat diet was judged as significantly
more attractive, more pleasant, and less intense. This suggests that red meat consumption has a negative impact on
perceived body odor
hedonicity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
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To enjoy good health, to bring true happiness to one's family, to bring peace to all, one must first discipline and control one's own mind. If a man can control his mind he can find the way to Enlightenment, and all wisdom and virtue will naturally come to him.
- Buddha
Yoga in Eugene
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No study was needed for me.
Back in the late 60s/early 70s with half a million GIs in Vietnam and Thailand, the locals complained of our smell
and it wasn't that we weren't clean, it was all the meat in our diets coming through our pores in the heat of the
day/night. I like a good steak but limit myself to perhaps one a month, unfortunately, my liking tacos doesn't
help much though.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
What about those of us on the
processed,prepackaged,chemicaly altered,improperly prepaired,high fat,high sugar,high colesterol,high
sodium,non-natural food diet? Thats gotta have a pretty serious effect on how our odors are percieved by
people.
"The wages of sin is death.But after taxes it's just sort of a tired feeling realy." -Ellen DeGeneres
Yep, if you're a vegetarian this
is something you figured out long ago. I have difficult being intimate with heavy meat eating females. No matter how
much they wash, it gets really funky down south. Luckily most Asian women are light meat eaters or
near-vegetarians.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Interesting.
I
wonder if this has some factor in animal dominance. Like if I'm walking in the woods smelling like I eat a lot of
meat, it's a sign to other animals to stay away 'cause I might eat you too. grrrrrrrr.
-mc
I doubt it. Hippos, elephants and
bulls are vegetarian are widely known to kick major ass.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Never noticed an issue with
meat eating females here. Or maybe I just like the taste of meat.
If you're around the smell all
the time you get used to it and don't notice. I didn't notice it much until I started cutting back on meat and
moving to organic veggies. The old nose really perked up. I could actually smell their diet coming out of their
pores. Heavy beef eaters make some funky sweat, terrible breath and ultra stinky privates.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Interesting.
I wonder if
this has some factor in animal dominance. Like if I'm walking in the woods smelling like I eat a lot of meat, it's
a sign to other animals to stay away 'cause I might eat you too. grrrrrrrr.
-mc
I highly recommend that
if you own a pet dog that you do not go to a Philippine party and partake of the bbq. Your pet will not be happy at
all when you get home. They WILL know.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
True indeed, remember my post about my sexy Asian friend who ateOriginally Posted by Gegogi
pineapples to make her putty sweet tasting ?
DCW
I hate to say this, but my Asian
friend from china told me a story about going out to eat and trying dog. I guess in china there are certain types
of dogs that people can eat... I think its illegal in most areas though. Anyways, when they got home thier pet dog
acted very strang and ran away from them and would not go near them for a day or so...
Sound like he's pulling your leg.Originally Posted by ohmmmm
DCW
Without arguing for or against
it, I've never quite figured out the problem with eating dog...or horse, for that matter. We eat squid, chicken
embryos and chopped misc. animal parts wrapped in intestine yet we are adverse to eating dog? Why is that?
Personnally, I don't eat beef at all because I don't like the flavor and rarely eat any other red meat. The
majority of my protein comes from the ocean.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
DCW,
I can assure you first hand
that the dog eating thing is accurate. I lived in various parts of China for a year or so and spent some time in
Korea too. It is widely believed and practised by many in China that eating dog meat during the winter will keep
you free of colds. My roommates (both Americans) used to eat the odd dog every now and then in the winter and
frequently came home with some sort of rice dish featuring goat meat chunks, which they bought at a local vendor
near our home.
When I was in Seoul I used to hit the street market area to stock up on supplies and in the food
area, you could find virtually any animal you could think of being sold for food: rabbits, dogs, cats, birds of all
kinds, snakes, all sorts of rodents. At the night market in Taiwan you can easily find a bowl of cobra soup, which
men believe will put the lead back in the ol' pencil. I also saw seahorses, all sorts of insects, horns of many
different animals and on and on and on in my neighborhood herb shop.
To enjoy good health, to bring true happiness to one's family, to bring peace to all, one must first discipline and control one's own mind. If a man can control his mind he can find the way to Enlightenment, and all wisdom and virtue will naturally come to him.
- Buddha
Yoga in Eugene
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There was an episode of Anthony
Bourdain's old show which found him in Vietnam (IIRC), eating a cobra's (still beating) heart and drinking its
blood. Both of which are evidently supposed to imbue the participant with great strength.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Bruce,Originally Posted by Bruce
I'm not
disputing that some Asian eat dogs, that fact is actually well known.
The dog running aways story is a little
suspect.
DCW
after living in Vietnam,
Thailand, and The Philippines, I can wholeheartedly assure you that if you own a dog as a pet and you go out and eat
some dog, your dog, at least for a time, will consider you a "dog eater" and will shy away from you till the odor
has passed.
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
Here on Oahu we have a large
Philipino population and, every once in while, the police bust a dog farm or cock fighting operation. Of course
they're charged with cruelity to animals, tax evasion, health code and all sorts of other petty violations. Of
course the moral outrage from the community, especially white folk, is great.
Now I like dogs, have owned many as
pets and would never consider eating one in the slim hope of increasing virility. However, if you're into eating
meat, I see no moral diff between dogs, cats, chickens or cows. But 'dems da laws hea!
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
In regards to the smeling fom
eating meat I think it could be the opposite. I don't eat a single fruit or vegetable and I am always amazed at how
clean I smell. My breath is always really clean no matter what. I think it is mosly genetic.
I was having nervous breakdowns.
Ah dunno but your breath has a
lot to do health, diet (Atkins diet followers are know for ultra bad breath) and the the presense of certain
bacteria on gums, teeth, tongue and throat. If you eat a little yogurt daily the "friendly bacteria" will help nix
some of the funk. However many folks have a stomach condition whichs allows the smell of stomach juices to ventilate
through the mouth, so no matter how clean their mouth, the breath is still bad.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Originally Posted by belgareth
Just picked this reply to quote, but
others in this post tow the same line, and dont see a problem with eating dog. So Im kind of replying to
all.
Eating dog in my opinion is discusting, and this opinion reflects most Governments and thier
Legislature, as its ilegal to do so in most countries. Eating a animal that has been bred over the centuries to
serve mankind and is extremely intelegent, and is considered mans "best friend" is beyond me.
I compare it
to eating a primate, which is almost canabalistic in nature. Apart from the high toxin issue of dog meat, the
ethical issue of eating dog is very real in western countries, and that includes another animal, the horse. Again
bred to serve, and a friend of man throughout history. Eating horse is ilegal in most countries.
The issue of
eating a certain type of animal and not eating it, can be seen from a viewpoint of cultural and scientific, some
animals are actually not very safe to eat, because of thier high (bad) bacteria ratio in the meat. They include Dog,
Kangaroo and also other game meats.
Nothing wrong with eating squid or calamari, mollusks, and most sea
creatures (fish) are clean, with low toxicity and very good for you. Ofcourse there are exceptions with species and
the age of some species.
But the thought of eating Dog kind of churns my stomach.
Most land animals
that are carnivarous or scavengers ( eat anything or carim ) are actually not very safe to eat due to toxicity and
bacteria in the meat, even after its been well cooked.
Sea creatures are different in this regard because of
thier enviroment.
Roasted Puppy on a stick, now thats a tasty thought...
I have no problem with eating dog...
not that I've had the chance at all...
Also, If I needed to eat in a life or death situation and all that was
available was rover, it's all over for rover!
BTW I only eat organic meat due to the local butcher , and it
tastes damn fine and much better , even my kids can taste the difference! I once served up 'roo and they loved it,
till they found out it was "skippy".
early 40's white male or or
Those that eat meat directly or
indirectly cause the death of a living creature to dine on its flesh. That is how it's been since the beginning of
time. In the eyes of Mother Nature, a dog is worth no more than a wolf, deer or bear. Now I'm a dad burn tree
hugging vegetarian and no longer eat or hunt animals (other than with my camera). Nevertheless I find it
hypocritical to condemn anyone for eating meat--dog, squirrel or otherwise--it as I once enjoyed hunting and fishing
and partook of the flesh of both wild and domestic beasts.
Perhaps this is true of Western nations where dogs are oft held in higher esteem than theThe bronz proclaims, "Eating dog in my opinion
is discusting, and this opinion reflects most Governments and thier Legislature, as its ilegal to do so in most
countries."
populations of countries they raped, pillaged and colonized. In some Asian countries dogs are farmed for the express
purpose of consumtion and served legally in restaurants. In Seoul dog ear soup is a highly regarded man's meal. A
few years back, I made the mistake of refusing to partake of such a meal and greatly insulted my otherwise very
gracious host.
Of course it is easy for outsiders puff up with self-righteousness and condemn the customs of
foriegn societies they have no understanding or appreciation of. We don't have to look very hard to find many
instances in the not too distant past of Australians and Americans treating their indigenous peoples worse than
dogs. And that every attitude of Western self-righteousness is one of the main reasons for the tensions between the
Middle East and the West. We arrogantly try to force our values on another culture and pay for it dearly at the gas
pump, airport and battlefield.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Gegogi, Well put! The claims in
Bronzie's post of toxicity are pure tripe. For instance they eat blowfish in Japan. Food from the sea is no less
toxic than from the land. In some ways probably more due to heavy metal content. I know there are a lot of warnings
about fish caught in certain areas. Pork and chicken both are extremely likely to poison you if you don't cook them
thoroughly. And people do eat primate, monkey is rather good actually. Carnivore eats carnivore every day. All the
claims made are actually excuses for social mores that have no rational basis.
I agree about the forcing of
viewpoints on others and what it has brought us. It's sad but is what our narrow minded self rightous behavoir has
brought us. More acceptance and less condemation of others' habits and beliefs would solve a lot of problems.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
"Pork and chicken both are
extremely likely to poison you if you don't cook them thoroughly".
True enough in the USA. I have eaten
raw pork in north eastern Thailand where it's commonly served as a dish called "lob". Aside from many other
ingredients it's somewhat cooked by the addtion of lime juice. The Thais feed their free range pigs rice hence
they don't have the toxins that our pigs have. And, Thai rice is the best in the world. It's readily available
in the supermarkets here in the USA and very easy to cook. I recommend Nishon Brand, Thai Jasmine Rice, try it once
and you'll see what I mean.
Horse meet is available and legal to eat in Quebec Canada. I've had it
bbq'd by some old Laotian refugee friends that live there, not bad at all. In SE Asia they don't eat just any old
dog, it has to be a certain type and it won't be the family pet, a poodle or dachshund would never be eaten.
Over the past many years I've really cut back my consumption of all meats, particularly red meat but I
still eat it once in a while, mainly in tacos. Sue and I eat seafood for the most part of our diet. It's best to
stick to the smaller species such as cod, haddock, salmon and to avoid the larger species such as shark, swordfish,
and tuna which have higher mercury content due to their size. Tilapia, which is getting quite popular, are a
vegetarian fish. The real name for it is Nile Perch and it was imported into the USA from Africa to help control
the abundant vegetation in the Texas power plant lakes which are quite warm watered lakes. They reproduce like
proverbial "bunnies". Unfortunately, it's way overpriced in the stores and should be priced more like chicken,
it's that abundantly available. As time goes on, it's likely to become more of a staple as it grows well in fish
farm tanks.
Pineapple juice is the best thing of all to drink if you want to produce better tasting semen.
Coffee and beer are bad in that regard.
Lastly, I have to agree 100% with the posters who are more
tolerant of other culture's eating habits. It' not our place to judge that aspect of another's culture and if
you don't judge and are in some other country, you are more apt to enjoy the people and their culture, you might
even get invited out to a great feast and make a lot of new friends. When I took Sue to Thailand last year she
discovered she liked eating fried grubs and she was a hit with the locals because she didn't shy away from it.
Protein!
There is a cure for electile dysfuntion!!!!
My older sister's inlaws are Japanese and her husband was aOriginally Posted by koolking1
very good friend of mine. As a result I was exposed to their culture. Yuki, his mother, was a fine cook but I
learned to never ask what I was eating until I had tried it.
Since those days I have been around many cultures
and have been enriched by every one of them. We westerners are often arrogant and spoiled. Reality is that these
people have their own cultures, many of them thousands of years older than our own and all of them worthy of
respect. I'd get pretty pissed if somebody came in and tried to tell me to change my way of life to suit them. I'd
fight back too and it wouldn't be much prettier than what you see on the news now.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
True indeed all you have to do is
walk the streets of American and you can see the product of bad food consumption.
Fat Fat Fat especially here in
Houston.
DCW
Here in the Dallas area tooOriginally Posted by DCW
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
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