Reducing a woman's inherent
anxiety when meeting a new man helps her feel safe more quickly, and it's important for her to feel safe in the
man's presence in order to feel (or strengthen) attraction toward him.
That makes sense.
Kaminski
RM, Marini H, Won-Joo K, and Rogawski MA (2005) Anticonvulsant activity of androsterone and etiocholanolone.
Epilepsia 46:819–827.
"Androstanediol is a positive modulator of
GABAA receptors (Frye et al., 1996) with
potent anxiolytic
and anticonvulsant activity (Frye and Reed, 1998; Reddy,
2004a,b); recently, we confirmed
that androsterone has similar
systemic activities (Kaminski et al., 2005)."
An anxiolytic is any drug or
therapy used in the treatment of anxiety disorders. I am following up on this recent report to determine whether
GABA interaction might be the means by which androsterone (as used in SoE for men) might indicate reduced anxiety in
the wearer as well as reduce anxiety in people (especially women) who are exposed to it.
It's somewhat
satisfying to see the Forum members indicate this effect, but more satisfying to find scientific support for the
effect.
JVK
Reducing a woman's inherent
anxiety when meeting a new man helps her feel safe more quickly, and it's important for her to feel safe in the
man's presence in order to feel (or strengthen) attraction toward him.
That makes sense.
jvkohl, I wanted to nail the
biggest exibitionist high nose narcistic female, I and most men would rate her a 9 or 10 in the looks department. I
have known this girl for years through some friends, but I never nailed her, but I have tried, but one night last
year when out, I wore your product and lots of it, SOE with Alter Ego, she was hugging me all night, alas I still
didnt nail her, more to do with my shock at her action and my lack of action. My long time ambition yet not
fullfilled.
Since both products do contain androsterone, I think what you are suggesting might have some
bearing, at least in my experience.
I experimented with androsterone for at least 2 years before my decision to use it inOriginally Posted by bronzie
SoE/men. Had I not been single at the time, my experiments most likely would have caused a divorce. Also of interest
may be the fact that when I first attempted to get androsterone from Sigma Chemical Company, I was told that it was
a controlled substance (anabolic steroid). Only by going up their chain of command was I able to legally acquire it,
and one of their key people finally informed others that it was not a controlled
substance.
JVK
Okay, so let's say that
Androstenone (NONE, not RONE) is an aggressive pheromone that is produced from physical exertion. A man who is all
stinky and sweaty may have just been out killing something big and mean.
It could send the "I'm very dangerous"
signal to animals and other people. Other men will respect him, women will fear his power but perhaps be fascinated
with his strength, and animals will either avoid the deadly hunter or supplicate him.
I've had dogs and cats
act very, very submissive when I was wearing strong applications of Androstenone.
So the girls are reacting to
Androstenone because we project strength and power. They get a "scary thrill" from our proximity, but we're seeing
good results from the mixes because we need the other pheromones to show that we are safe and non-threatening in our
aggressive power states.
Does that make sense?
ON EDIT: I know I am mixing up my Androstenone and
Androsterone posts, but I am wiggling toward a Unified Pheromone Theory.
jvkohl, thanks to your product
and your persistance in developing it as it has given me one of my most memorable hits. And other hits which I dont
care to mention or go into detail for various reasons.
As for going up the chain of command to find out the
truth about something including what you said, thats usually the case in every area of life sad to say, a person
that can do that should be commended, its a good trait and a virtue, almost journalistic in nature.
I will be
purchasing your product again as my bottle has run out.
P.S I wish it had the effects of an anabolic steroid!
without the side effects of a bodybuilders steroid, I train with weights (gym) and have been looking far and wide
for something that will increase my muscle size without the side effects, tried everything, protien powder,
creatine, I just dont want to take the next step in using a Anabolic bodybuilders Steroid because of the side
effects, as I know your a biology expert and from past postings, I mean way past (a few years ago) you are or were
also a bodybuilder. Wonder if you could give me some advice. Too many bodybuilder forums out there are congested
with meat-head bodybuilders that take steroids but dont consider the side effects and are not of help in providing
good information. I want to make a valued judgement on the whole Issue, last thing I want is for my liver to give
way when im 50 years old.
Whoa 150%? I knew copulins wereOriginally Posted by jvkohl
capable of increasing a mans t-levels, and even made a thread on working out using copulins...but I never expected
such a signficant jump in t-levels. I'll have to try that out!
Another partialOriginally Posted by Sigma
abstract from the conference next week attests to the likely benefit of adding a pleasant fragrance to the copulin
formula used in SoE/women. I'm surprised at how few Forum members are aware of research in this
area.
EFFECTS OF PLEASANT AND UNPLEASANT ODORS ON EXERCISE PERFORMANCE Timothy A.A., Hornung D.E.
"As
expected, exposure to lavender improved exercise performance compared to the performance seen with the water
control.... The increase in performance seen with lavender was accompanied by a decreased heart rate for at least
part of the exercise period..."
JVK
jvkohl, thats an amazing idea,
that never ever crossed my mind, yes I have read about copulins and how they will increase testosterone levels by
the margin you mentioned, I will try that for sure! but Lavender? I have a whole aromatherapy set, in fact I burn
oils, the real oils just to relax and chill out before sleep, and they do work, but I never thought of using them in
other ways? Putting Lavender under my nose and going to the gym? I might attract the wrong kind of attention...like
having a big muscle bound gay bodybuilder give me a rose? scary thought...
I wonder what power-lifters put
under thier nose just before a lift? You see them doing that at the Olympics, could it be some testosterone
enhancing chemical, but that would be a banned practice I presume at an event like the Olympics? I have always
wondered about that, I always thought it was some kind of nasal decongestant, but I may be wrong.
JV – Okay, this
hits too close to my situation to stay out of the discussion. However, there are so many confounded variables as to
make proper attribution of causes near impossible.
Years ago (25+) I was
into bodybuilding, and though I lost most of it by becoming an office worker, never quite lost it
all.
I’ve been taking GHR-15 along w/ a B-50 tablet for several years with
very beneficial results despite “expert” nay-sayers. Go do any web search on it to come up with any number of
claims, enough of which seemed to be working for me to continue purchasing it. It even seemed to be helping me gain
a little muscle mass back when I started lifting fairly regular over a year back.
A little after A314 came out, I finally settled on an “office mix” applied about 07:00 each day
of 1 to 2 drops A314, 1 to 2 dabs of APC, and 4 to 10” of SoE (varied according to what I think I need to project
that day). It is now even my standard out of the office.
After wearing
this mix regularly, I started seeing more muscle growth, and a greater sense of general vitality, but was
attributing it to the GHR-15, though why should that start working better after I had already been using it for
awhile?
Having read your book, The Scent of Eros, I was remembering
how pheromones play an essential role in pubescent development, and was wondering if they were having an additional
effect on me at the gym.
At this point let me comment that I am lifting
among the heaviest weights of anyone lifting at that gym. One man that has been lifting consistently for years can
out lift me in a couple exercises, and one young buck that is half again my size, and also an accomplished lifter
does also, but in numerous exercises I am out lifting both of them, and am catching up quick on the others. I was
attributing this to my former weight training (some say “muscles have memories”), and just plain guts, and will
power.
At the end of January I got the flu that seemed to sweep the
country, and didn’t exercise at all. I had been running 5+ days/ week, and lifting 3 days. I started back with the
lifting first, and noticed so much good feeling, and apparent gain that I was thinking perhaps I had been running
off part of the muscles that I had been lifting on. I’ve decided to forego the running for about six months to see
what happens.
Well it’s happening. I’m gaining so much, so fast that
others are taking notice. An office mate was thinking I’d gained about 15 pounds because my shirts are stretching
tight in the shoulders. He is a lifter also. I haven’t gained that much, but there is a noticeable shift in what is
muscle, and what was fat.
A couple weeks back, having run out of GHR-15, I
switched to the “new improved” third iteration called GH Renew-U Gold, and have been very pleased with an additional
feeling of being pumped longer after working out, and seeing even faster growth.
Even a really fit, shapely, young (9+) blonde exercise instructor over at teh gym is taking
notice. For which in the last week I’ve gone to wearing plenty of SoE, and a spray of Impi before going over to work
out. The additional mones are affecting her, and everyone else. There is an “air” of friendliness, and chattiness.
I’ve first been rolling the SoE around my mouth a couple times, and spraying the Impi over the top onto my nose, and
mouth to get the mones airborne from heavy breathing. I seemed to get a boost lifting from the Impi &
SoE.
Now between various formulations of GHR, not running, scented SoE,
A314, APC, and now Impi (old bottle version #1), who can say which is causing what? However, you can bet I’m going
to keep it up.
I just checked a pheromone specs list, and came up with
.400 mg/ml Nol + .100mg/ml Rone in SoE for Men, and .500 mg/ml Nol + .100 mg/ml Rone in SoE for women. This can’t be
right, as SoE for women has a total concentration of .500 mg/ml. Do you care to comment on, or correct
this?
The Love-Scent Phero Library Guide has no listing for
SoE/w.
The L-S product table is confusing for SoE/w.
The L-S store says SoE for women has a “light floral scent” – Lavendar
perhaps?
What is in SoE for women that
might add yet more to lifting?
Only that I don't know where the information came fromOriginally Posted by Shenandoah
regarding SoE/women
It is the copulin formula tested by Astrid Jutte, with a bit of androstenol to help ensure aOriginally Posted by Shenandoah
positive unconscious affect on the women who wear it. However, the fragrace added by the perfumer attests to his
phenomenal expertise. Simply put, product development is not that simple. The process took several
years.
JVK
Androstenol exposure elicits a luteinizing hormone (LH) response in women. Including androstenol and androsterone
in the SoE/men formula allows for the likelihood of LH conditioning to androsterone, and downstream effects on
estrogen and testosterone levels in women. The following exerpts support this explanation, and helps to explain why
women (and men) develop odor preferences that correlate in some cases with sexual
preferences.
---------------------------
Graham and Desjardins (1980) reported a conditioned increase in
serum testosterone and luteinizing hormone in male rats following access to a wintergreen odor previously paired
with copulation to ejaculation. Males in an unpaired control group did not show any increase in hormone levels
following exposure to the odor. However, males in both groups exposed to estrous vaginal secretions showed identical
increases in these hormones, which suggests that unconditioned hormone release is mimicked reliably following
pairing of odor with sexual reward.
In summary, female rats can learn to associate a neutral odor
with
sexual reward. An odor paired with the ability of females to
pace copulation becomes a sexual incentive, such
that males bearing the odor are preferred when females are given a choice between scented and unscented males. Thus,
just like male rats,
female rats can learn to modify their sexual behavior and partner
preferences on the
basis of experience with sexual reward. This
confirms that early sexual experiences have particularly
powerful
influences on subsequent sexual preferences and that the development of sexual preferences is influenced
by interactions between conditioned stimulus– unconditioned stimulus pairings and motivational
variables.
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Reference:Coria-Avila GA, Ouimet AJ, Pacheco P, Manzo J,
Pfaus JG. Olfactory conditioned partner preference in the female rat.
Behav Neurosci. 2005 Jun;119(3):716-25.
sorry to
change the pheromone but want does copulins exposure elicit on women and what does it lead to in terms of
hormones?
That'sOriginally Posted by Friendly1
definitely correct, in my opinion. Well done!
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
Here's an anecdote. I'm a music
professor and, besides teaching, I perform regularly in everything from small rooms to large theaters. Like most
performers I suffer from stage anxiety. I've learned to live with it and contain it, but not eliminate it. I can
play extremely well while high on adrenaline but don't enjoy the shits and gut twisting it imparts. Once I start
playing, I usually forget about it and get lost in the music. However the anxiety makes for an unpleasant time
beforehand.
I wear 'mones nearly everyday but not normally at performances. Yesterday--my guts twisted in
knots and my heat beating like a drum--I soaked myself in SOE, 4 drops of 'rone and a dab of TE. Within 10 or 15
minutes I had become exceedingly calm. A couple hours later I performed in a 600 hundred seat theater, ripped like a
raped ape and was calm as a cucumber.
So, looks like my supply of SOE and 'rone will be a tax write-off next
year...
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
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