It crossed my mind that maybe
DHEA worked by being converted, but I don't think that's what's happening... I have noticed that even without
applying Pherlure to myself, it affects me when I smell it... and I know three women who have shown effects from it
without it having been applied to skin. (They either smelled it on my shirt, or smelled the sprayer.) So whatever
is active in Pherlure must be active without conversion...
HaszuOriginally Posted by haszu
have you
experimented with high doses of Estratetraenol or are you basing that statement on the research? If you have
experimented with it can you please tell us in detail the kind of results('hits') it gives for you with both men
and women?
Thanks in advance
Visionary
Hello Visionary!
I have not yet
tested large doses of Estratetraenol. I wrote what I have heard from some sources (independent producers).
If I
have any new information I will put it here.
Interstingly enough, my first
noticable hits came from Realm for men (which contains Estratetraenol), long before I ever found this forum. Realm
was my first phero product product, and had I not seen results from Realm, I would have given up on mones
altogether.
I'm very anxious to get my hands on some straight up estratetraenol just to see what kind of
results a higher concentration produces.
I know that this has
come up before several times. Winnefred Cutler claimed to use DHEA or DHEA sulfate in her products, which is why the
folks at Erox tested DHEA for potential VNO activation. No reason it should have, and it didn't. No likelihood that
DHEA has pheromonal properties by acting through the main olfactory system either. On the other hand, the primary
metabolites of DHEA; androsterone and etiocholanolone are good possibilities for human pheromones. Too much info to
discuss here that supports androsterone as a human pheromone. Besides, it's all in my book, which is available
through Love-scent.com
JVK
If that's the case, then it
seems fairly certain there must be something else in Pherlure that's not listed.
Nice LONG made up storyummm k
heres my results testing Pherlure.
This is my 2nd week testing Pherlure. (2 sprays and 1 dab TE)
The day I
drive to school (I'm 17 of course; average good looking;medium build; kinda shy) and walking down the hall way, I
see this very hot tan russian blonde(9/10 face and 10/10 body! YeHaa!
) that i don't really
know her that well( Very Popular in school). I tried to get her smelling the -mones by passing her closely and what
do you think happen next? She turn around and said Hi to me and tell me how good I smelled. (BIG HIT!
) So then we stop and have a little chit chat with her and tell her how shes doing. And then things get a little
bit touchy where she started to get closer to me and touching my clothes and tell me how good I dress and what kinda
brand is it etc... While I ask her there are other more good looking guys trying to hit on her but why me in a bad
mood? LOL), but then she told me how good I was and so on. I also see other guys looking at me and her
talking to me together with respect.
All the ahhs and umms about talking; heres what happen next. After the
chit chat, she gave me her # without asking her (A MUST!) Then we went our separate ways to our classes and stuff.
By lunch I met her again with her friends. I heard her friends talk about me also but her friends were impress of
her talking to me. Then we just chat and sat close to each other cuddling. I notice other girls (hot ones)
said hi to me and want to talk to me but I'm just going to stick with this babe for now.
AHHH after school
was the best part of the day...I was going to my car and out of no where she came approaching to me and said hi
again. The most outragous question she ask me is, "Am I Hot?", I'm like, "F**K YES YOU ARE HOT BABE!" -haha She
accepts what I say and ya. The most hardest part of my day was asking her out on a date b/c I wasn't really shure
if the -mones were gone. (I'm a little shy) But what the HELL, of all those time chit chatting with the chick
I ask her out anyways and she said yes (HELL YA!) I told her I'll call her and go somewhere to date.
There was alot of sexual comments and tension about her . She like jumped on me outside while I was on my cell
talking(I know she wanted sex...) and she was wearing a skirt with those dress boots from A&F I was hugging her and
she didnt care(how nice was that for a guy? LOL)
Later On, I said I have to go and the most happiest day of
my life is when the hottest chick I seen so far in school kissed me on my lips and cheeks and said bye bye.
(Holy crap man...) Man dude I don't even know this girl very well but in one day of talking to her, were like best
friends now and I'm more popular now since all the people at school see me and her hanging around. (More Girls for
ME
The moment I
think to myself off all that in a day, I'm like (HOLY S&*T mother of god!) the mix I had actually working right.
Although 1 spray of Pherlure like Catlord said has enough for a 17 yr old but I only see some results (Not
spectacular or anything, just stares and smiles) Anyway 2 spray of Pherulre increases more hits I had the same as
the first but nothing exciting.
The moment that I put on 2 sprays Pherlure and 1 dab of TE gel (1/4 as the
product guide says) and go to school to meet that hot chick, I was so dam proud of myself for the first mix I had
for a beginner.
Well anyway, Pherlure is great when mixing with other -mone like TE but I have to say everyone is different.This
one works for me so far. I see most people say this product doesnt work b/c of the body chemistry so I dunno. I also
tried TE alone but had some hits and some negative ones. I'm so dam happy now that girls are hitting on me.
YAY!
Guys, where can I take her on a date? hmmm I live in Seattle so theres a underage club 16+ and I
dont know if i want to take her there with me so ya...I'm still going to wear the same mix on a date with her since
it worked out. I can't belive I scored myself a very very beautiful chick...
I will soon try other products too
but this one for me is a must. Also, I will post what happen on our date with the mix and to see other people react
to it.
I would like to also thanks for all the people here helping me! Catlord/Sigma, THANKS FOR ALL
THE TIPS MAN, I owe you guys one.
P.S. This is my first test mix for a
beginner and I don't know how I pulled this one off...
jvkohl I just realized the article that mentioned the use of DHEA as a
fragrance additive was actually written by you.I didn't realize your level of scientific experience in this
field. Time for me to search your past posts.
I am truely amazed at how difficult it is to find any info on
this topic eventhough I am a professional web
digger.
http://groups.google.
com/group/sci.life-extension/msg/b283f6b13c7339b4?hl=en
jvkohl = scent of eros dude.
sorry for the
misunderstanding...I meant it was TE that was truly working out for me with pherlure not just by itself.
Everyone's got a different
sweet spot, and a different woman to try it on.
I had a rather funny Pherlure hit this evening. I was coming
home from a dinner meeting with my assistant, and just to tease her I wore one and a half sprays of Pherlure. She
was surprisingly unaffected. Usually this woman melts when I wear it.
Anyway, as we're walking out to the car,
we pass a couple, each of whom is carrying one of their children. I didn't really pay attention, because I was
tired and just wanted to drop her off and go home, but when we got to the car she turned to me and said, "Holy sh*t,
that was a hit if I ever saw one!"
(She knows about the 'mones.)
I asked what she was referring to, and she
told me that the woman had stopped dead in her tracks, sniffed the air, and then tracked me with her eyes until she
was almost completely turned in the opposite direction. "She darned near dropped her kid!" my assistant told me.
(I think that was an exaggeration.)
I didn't see it, but I wish I had.
Who really knows what was truly working?
I think most of us here on the Forum would want
nothing but true hit reports, even though sometimes I think some are posting because they have nothing better
to do . Be it the truth or devil's truth, I enjoy the reports, thoughts, and ideas of all of you Madddddd-Mone
Scientist!
I've said all that to say ... if it's really working for you, don't be shy about
posting because of what others think/say. It's up to us whether we purchase any product sold here at LS, safest bet
at the moment, or somehwere else, yes?
My 0.1 cent on the subject.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Hello forum: is there
anyway I can get some thoughs from "EvErYbOdY" on what mone is in Pherlure in the context of whether it is none
(agressive alpha), the love one, the chattiness one or like the other I forgot. Because it has to have one of the
one's we know about right? Even though they are trying to keep it a secret right? I think that the whole idea of
DHEA is a joke. Itjust does not add up.
I tried e-mailing them to no avail. I get a response
of some pasting from their site, plus they say that in the context I put above that it increases sexual
attractiveness. Plus I asked if there is the chance of having males become agressive by putting to much. There was
no answer as that would confirm it being none. Lastly I welcome any other thoughts as to the effects of it, and of
course what it is that we are all figuring it really is collectivelly. With the assumption, that it is probably
something and not just a spray with a diluted DHEA pill. Maybe a blend, I also tried e-mailing their lab but it did
not go through.
Finally I want to add that I am a customer of Love-Scent having already made my first order. I
will also be getting SOE roll on, Chikara and Perception. I know this is the place to make all purchases and be in
the know but I was just wondering after reading this whole thread over the past couple days. Sorry for the long
post, and hopefully I can get some insight as to our thought of the real contents by ALL who have been reading along
this T.
I seem to be the most
experienced user of Pherlureon this board, and certainly the most vocal. My best guess is that Pherlure contains
androsteRONE, and I believe that is true because of four things.
1. DHEA does not make sense.
2. AndrosteRONE is
a derivative of DHEA (as far as I recall).
3. Pherlure gets me lots of respect hits from guys, in addition to
getting responses from women.
4. Pherlure makes me feel a specific way when I wear it. When I wear TE, I don't
feel that way. But when I wear Pherlure + TE, I feel the same as when I wear AE!
My $0.02.
Catlord17 you the man,
that is exactly the type response I have been trying all over to get. What you said makes perfect sense and you
clearly know what your talking about on the pheromones subject without a doubt I'm sure.
Will you confirm
that the way you wear it is one spray every 3 or 4 hours to avoid OD? Where is the line with the OD and what would
be the effect of OD that, have you had one? What is the effect of two and how often do you do it? I am in college,
would you say that what they say about two for 30+ holds ground? So therefore try to follow the rules. Also please
let me know how you wear it with TE, what ratio of the three you tried did you like more, 1PH 1TE 1Cover or 211 I am
thinking to much TE for the 121 (area of app, what goes on top of what) and describe that feeling you talked about
when mixed and alone. ( I went back and read all your posts, so I think I got an idea of how you said it makes you
feel) But how do you feel when you wear AE which you compare to PH and TE? Thanks for tolerating my newbi hassle.
rest of the popular ones everybody here talks about.
It seems many people like
myself purchase pherlure and then after finding no credible information on the product come here and become a LS
customer. I hope this wasn't bruce's plan
service.
I am still anxious to hear other peoples reports on the pherlure product.
I wear one spray every 3 hours, up to a maximum of three sprays per day. This has the effect of
What you said makes perfect sense and you clearly know what your talking about on the pheromones subject without a
doubt I'm sure.
Where is the line with the OD and what would be the effect of OD that, have you had one? What is the effect of two
and how often do you do it? I am in college, would you say that what they say about two for 30+ holds ground? So
therefore try to follow the rules. Also please let me know how you wear it with TE, what ratio of the three you
tried did you like more, 1PH 1TE 1Cover or 211 I am thinking to much TE for the 121 (area of app, what goes on top
of what) and describe that feeling you talked about when mixed and alone. ( I went back and read all your posts, so
I think I got an idea of how you said it makes you feel) But how do you feel when you wear AE which you compare to
PH and TE? Thanks for tolerating my newbi hassle.
love-scent order on the way and soon will purchase the rest of the popular ones everybody here talks
about.
attracting the younger women, as well as avoiding what would probably be overdose, and it covers about nine hours a
day. I don't know anyone who needs to smell sexy more than nine hours a day.
Two sprays is supposed to be more
attractive to older women, and I find this is true for me. It makes the younger ones think of me more like a father
figure than someone to be attracted to, usually. I use two sprays when I am planning to be around older women, or
in places where I know there's a lot of smoke, such as pool halls. Yes, two sprays for 30+ holds ground in my
experience.
When I wear Pherlure with TE, I wear it in either a 1:1 concentration or a 2:1, with more Pherlure
than TE. I like the 1:1:1 ratio when using with cover, but you have to remember that it takes three sprays of this
combination to equal one spray of each of the component parts.
When I wear it by spraying TE, then Pherlure, then
cover, I usually spray one on each side of my neck - TE left, PH right, and then cover in the middle.
If I mix
them, I just spray them on my neck or sometimes in my hair.
Pherlure makes me feel confident in a James Bond type
way. It's a mature confidence I guess... kind of hard to describe. Similar to what I have read as the response
people have to RONE actually. I have seen it have some rather directly raw sexual responses from women,
though.
TE I don't notice anything at all, unless it's irritability from an overdose. Add the two together and
the raw sexiness of Pherlure becomes a mellow, sensual slower arousal. It's a slow, building arousal, and that's
what AE does. I can'treally describe how I feel with AE ot TE/PH except to say that it's a much more mellow
feeling, and it makes me feel sexier.
I've been avoiding situations where I'd be likely to be attracting too
much sexual attention with 'mones lately, so most of what I have seen has been respect hits. Last night in the
movie theater, I was getting respect hits from the guys sitting near me. Basically, you don't expect guys you
don't know to tell you that they're sure their girlfriends won't be so loud when the movie starts, and it's
still 20 minutes to the movie.
That is some funny stuff
Catlorld17, I was really enjoing reading your response. The not having to smell sexy more than 9 hours a day
is hilarious.
You really described that excellent for me. The James Bond feeling is all you had to say and
the feeling sexier part I'm loving. I guess I never thought you know that something could make me feel
sexy but I can't wait. I'm being serious. But your right I do think things are sexy. All day everyday I
need to start using sexy much more often. It's the way forward. I'll begin right now, sexy. Oh, I
really like it.
where you said 3 sprays of the combo equals one spray of the component parts. Everything else I am totally clear on.
By the way what is the reasoning for not putting yourself in situation where you draw tons of sexual attention. How
do you avoid this because I am generally already the center of attention almost all the time in most situations.
Will this be something I will need to worry about or is it more a thing where you are just tired of it but a newbi
like me would actually be loving? Have a fantastic day. Thanks for your last post.
You
some funny stuff Catlorld17, I was really enjoing reading your response. The not having to smell sexy more
than 9 hours a day is hilarious.
you had to say and the feeling sexier part I'm loving. I guess I never thought you know that something could
make me feel sexy but I can't wait. I'm being serious. But your right I do think things are sexy. All day
everyday I need to start using sexy much more often. It's the way forward. I'll begin right now, sexy.
Oh, I really like it.
was the 111 where you said 3 sprays of the combo equals one spray of the component parts. Everything else I am
totally clear on. By the way what is the reasoning for not putting yourself in situation where you draw tons of
sexual attention. How do you avoid this because I am generally already the center of attention almost all the time
in most situations. Will this be something I will need to worry about or is it more a thing where you are just tired
of it but a newbi like me would actually be loving? Have a fantastic day. Thanks for your last post.
have to understand that just because a certain product makes me feel a certain way, does not necessarily mean
the same product will make you feel the same way - or any particular way at all. A lot of people report that TE
makes them feel something, but it does nothing for my mood at all, except if I overdose.
What Pherlure does,
essentially, is make me feel more confident. I don't know how it does that... but that's what I meant by the
"James Bond" thing. And it's not always at the same level of intensity. It depends on other factors as well. But
what James Bond had was an unshakeable sense of confidence, and that is the important thing. Some
here will insist that this is just the power of suggestion acting on me to produce this effect. I disagree. In any
case, confidence is the sexiest thing you can have going for you. Start building your self confidence, and
pheromones will pale in comparison.
Three sprays of the 1:1:1 PH:TE:Cover equals one spray of each because when
you mix them, you have three components, but the volume of fluid released per spray remains constant. Why should it
change that it takes one spray of PH, one spray of TE and one spray of cover when all you have done is mix them
together? Same volume of fluid still - just getting 1/3rd of each of the three per spray now.
I avoid sexual
attention because I'm involved, and the pheromones are just experiments and fun for me. I know I could pull off a
lot more than just flirting, whether or not I use pheromones... but pheros certainly have made it easier.
Regardless, I don't want to end up in a situation that makes my girlfriend distrust me. So I avoid allowing
situations to become too sexual, because I know that women have their ways once they decide they really,
really want a man... That's not to say you should do the same thing, though, especially if you're looking
for someone.
I got curious about pherlure and
noticed some strange stuff.
http://www.wondersinscience.com seems to be a fake site. If you do a
google search, the only pages on the site are the articles on pherlure.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=site% 3Awondersinscience.com&btnG=Search[
/url]
Also, the study they cite was never published (not found on pubmed). And di-dehydroepiandrostenone is
also not found in a pubmed search.
Finally, the study supposedly was at University of Illinois, Chicago, and
the only .edu page on it is this one: http://www2.uic.edu/~mvilch1/ssdnews...pheromone.html
which is at the U of IL, Chicago.
That page is gone, but the cached version of the page says it was done
at U of Chicago (which is a private school and completely different from U of IL at Chicago)!
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:S...osterone&hl=en
Wonder in Science also says the study was at U of Chicago.
So
basically it's all fabrication and lies.
They also have another fake site!
http://www.ihealthjournal.com/findin...e7912-009.html
It also has no
pages other than articles on the fake
study.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=site:ihealthjournal.com&num=100&hl=en&lr= &c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0[/
url]
This would be silly if it wasn't so messed up!
That study was fake and posted on a
student's account page. The school took it down. And you're right, it wasn't U of Chicago.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
I guess that would makes
sense that the article was fake considering that only the abstract was available and they used a trade named product
for their study.
The abstract mentions pherlure by name which would bring the results of the study into question.
I believe that a scientist would realize that using a trade named product in their study would cause more difficulty
than just using the chemical name.
Yeah, there's definitely
something screwy going on with the marketing of Pherlure.
again for all your clarifications and detailed explanation. I follow in everything you are saying. I feel quite
confident that that I will get the same effects you did. It's the same thing as with drugs the vast majority reacts
a certain way and then some get the side effects. With me everything always has the effect that it's supposed to
have and I never fall into the category of side effects or does not work. I am feeling really good and also thanks
for pointing out the fact about confidence. That is so true. It's by far the key element. I have a very high
self-esteem and I work on it daily with self affirmations and other things.
Also I will defenitively be
loving all the experimenting. Plus, I am going full out for the sexy like you were saying. Without a doubt. I
don't have a girlfriend and there is so many absolutly glossy and immaculate girly gurls around. I already been
having some fun with APC around 8 drops and I feel the pull of my own aura. I truly think everything is different
like I have stepped in a different dimension. Now that is with APC which everyone says it's scented water. This
should be a riot. I just need to make sure to do my homework with some sexy gurl tutors from every class.
Lastly in response to what I have read through out the whole thread, I study finance and just from the spec of
marketing I know, I was under the assumption that lying in marketing is not only legal in every sense of the word
but also a common practice and encouraged. Don't we see it all over the place. America's favorite fries, The #1
this, The Best Ever, Never Before Seen, The Choice of who knows, 100 times better, Double Strength, Lifetime
Everything and soo many more. I mean they are lying. Most likely the fact that it's legal does not make it right
but it seems like it is what it is. Of course I could be wrong. It's a crazy society and I myself get sucked in to
all sort of things regularly. Even when I am watching out for it constantly.
Anyways everything else is
fantastic and I am waiting on everything before I place the order to get the full arsenal of superstar products.
Everybody have a super day!
Pherlure Is A Scam!
I just
received it today I and smelled it.IT SMELLS LIKE ACQUA DI GIO I wouldnt be surprised if it was Acqua Di Gio.Its
obviously NOT A MONE COLOGNE.Its a marketing scheme from Phelure to leech off of this site.
Have you notice
only these "strangers" are praising about it?(Im not naming names they know who they are)
Have you noticed
these "strangers" only post on this Phelure thread and not any other?
This DHEA whatever it is no one else
ever heard of it?
I notice they try to mimic our mone conversations to make it seem like one of us but they
just want to keep the thread on the front page for more attention.
Then try to say it works well with
Love-scent products so they hopefully can make a sale?
I was a sucker and now Im exposing "Manure Phelure" as
a fake and WARN EVERYBODY ABOUT IT.
I love this site and you know I tell it like it is and I dont want to see
anyone here get conned like I did.
Course it's crap. Look, the phone #
in the study has never existed the past few years. The school's social sciences dept never heard of the
study.
There chart is stolen directly from APC, and photoshopped, and much of the ad/sales copy is taken from
APC.
And much of APC's copy seems to come from some sort of German product from 1992 - another case of
plagiarism - that's why IPD/APC doesn't complain.
Some of the copy comes from the Alter Ego description at
the Pheromone Store! Look at the "don't use too much" type copy
And the student account where the study was
posted was removed .... likely due to fraud?
ANd the assistant of Martha McClintock at U of Chicago was
unable to find the study.
They generated fake press on a fake study, making the wrong people look bad. Call
any of those magazines, and they won't be happy
Alex Yak also owns the pheromone review site, not just
pherlure.
Yak, Alex pherlure@pherlure.com
318 Half Day Rd.
Buffalo Grove, Illinois
60089
United States
8476807000
Alex Yak
211 Rush
Dr.
Chicago
Illinois
60610
1.8476807000
Registrant Email:allceleb@mail.com
"ANR Labs"
A
lot of his others websites you've come across... since it's against forum rules to post urls, pm me and i will
provide his sites, so you know where NOT to buy from.
There's not anything screwy with Pherlure's
marketing. It's called fraud.
It's fraud. It's deception. It's wrong. And thank god, it's illegal. One
of the few things that should be, since fraud is just form of theft. It's not marketing.
Marketing is real
work. Fraud is the easy way out taken by villains. The two are totally different.
The punishments are also
different. Excessive hyperbole deserves mistrust. Fraud deserves removal from society.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest."
--Benjamin Franklin
To my nose, it definitely does not smell like Aqua Di Gio. Smells
like Eternity to me, or maybe Cool Water. That's partly why I wear it, because I like Eternity.
By the way,
part of the reason people seem to post only here about Pherlure is because the moderators move threads about it and
merge them with this one.
There's also no big mystery about "strangers" posting about it, because they're
new to 'mones and it's exciting for them, just like it was for you at first. And a lot of the "strangers" talking
about Pherlure these days are younger guys who are too young to be trying to sell it. As for me, I'm not making
money on Pherlure. I signed up to be a distributor, but then decided against it because of the marketing BS and the
fact that my business isn't pheromones.
There's no evil insidious attempt to "mimic" your mone
conversations. And by the way, when I say it works with love scent products, not only am I stating a fact, but I
don't sell pheromones for anyone, so I guess you're wrong on that.
I'm curious to hear your story, though.
What happened that you feel like you were conned? I mean hell, it's blatantly obvious that Pherlure's marketing
is BS to high heaven. That it works for me, I can't help. And because it works for me, I don't understand why
they would be committing advertising fraud. But since I don't sell it, as long as it keeps working for me, I
don't care who else buys it. So let's hear why you're so upset with them. It can't be that you bought a bottle
and it simply didn't work... you sound too P-O'ed for that.
bjf, is the pheromone review
site he owns one that has several products listed with stars next to them, and only pherlure got five stars?
Your right cat,
I came
across a pherlure search and it came to this site where it says pherlure had 5 stars to it and he gave a summary
about it.
"Good looks get you to the door, but it doesn't keep you in!"
That's the site that first
brought Pherlure to my attention. I should have known it was pure marketing. Especially when one of the LS
products only got two stars.
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