People do it all the time. They
think of something else and change their state of mind or they attach some kind of mental state or association to an
action or thought.
But like what I said about the article I read among other things about the guy being able to
produce milk, and got there by willfully suggesting it to himself every night like he was telling his unconcious to
do it for him and then it eventually and obviously happening.
I guess thinking about something like that would
be more effective. Whereas i'd figure a thought or state of mind or emotional feeling would only be effective
toward that for so long.
But suggesting it to your unconcious...
I couldn't tell ya for sure though. I'm
theorizing. I could be wrong, or it could just be a different way.
Have you guys read "Think and grow rich" by
Napoleon Hill?
He has a number of steps for success. Getting to the point where you feel BURNING DESIRE and you
HAVE to achieve it, to writing down goals and expressing on paper what you'll contribute to it's end, with a very
clear and desicive view on what it is you want among a number of other things. But one of the things you do is read
and suggest to yourself that you'll achieve it, your committed, and you basically enter into a contract with
yourself to attain it. And you read things of this nature to yourself every night and persue it until your brain and
thoughts express themself in an outward physical action.
It touches base on ALOT of things, and is probably one
of the best self improvement books i've read.
And it's basically how I see you can suggest to yourself to do
these things. Suggesting to your unconcious what you want among other techniques or branching out more from that.
If you guys have some kind of p2p software you can probably find the ebook on there. It might make alittle more
sense and put things into perspective if you've glanced over it. But otherwise it's a pretty good book if any of
you are into self improvement and reading at all.
No offense intended but I'm
more than a little sceptical about a male lactating. Was it documented by medical professionals? I'm happy to be
proven wrong but it would take some pretty serious proof before I'd accept it.
For the rest of it, without
motivation, nothing is possible. You fail before you ever begin if you don't believe you can do something and have
the desire to do it. If you have the right motivation you can accomplish impressive feats.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
There is a growing body of
evidence that indicates state of mind has a profound influence on not only ones own health and well being,but the
health and well being of those closest to us.People who pray,for example have a considerably faster recovery rate
than people who dont pray when faced with major illness or surgery.More over,when people pray FOR those who are
facing a major illness there is a marked improvement in recovery times as well,weather they know they are being
prayed for or not.Many who practice eastern techniques like yoga and so forth have developed the ability to alter
their bodys function in many rather startling ways through meditation.As for men being able to lactate...yes,men can
lactate and produce milk.It has been documented and any man can do it.Im not sure if its the same quality as mothers
milk but I dont see why it wouldnt be with the exception of tasting alot like beerIm still working on
visualizing myself a bigger weener (if I make progress with that I will let you all know)
The concept
of visualization being a part of acheving results has been a foundation of martial arts for a bazillion
years.Athletes have practiced it for ever and even actors and actresses use visualization techniques befor a
performance.Pilots in aerobatic competitions use it,corperate execs use it befor a presentation.Some of these
examples are very shallow,but they make baisicly the same point.And its not a big stretch of the imagination to
think that proper visualization techniques will have an impact on people you make contact with on a day to day
basis.
But belgareth makes a very valid point.At some point in all this visualization some kind of fundamental
change needs to occur to cement in your being whatever it is you are trying to project through attitude.Acting will
only cary you so far,after that you need to have something to fall back on.A fundamental change in spirit is
required to be able to pay more than lip service to being "the man every woman wants." Anyone can present themselves
temporarily as a great person with a wonderful personality...hell...I do it all the time.I still have my whole
family fooled
I'm questioning the particular
case mentioned above but would be interested in anything on male lactation. My understanding is that the glands in a
male are vistigal and non-functioning since the shift in the zygot that switches it to male from female. Sorry,
don't remember the correct terminology.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Originally Posted by tim929
But belgareth
makes a very valid point.At some point in all this visualization some kind of fundamental change needs to occur to
cement in your being whatever it is you are trying to project through attitude.Acting will only cary you so
far,after that you need to have something to fall back on.A fundamental change in spirit is required to be able to
pay more than lip service to being "the man every woman wants." Anyone can present themselves temporarily as a great
person with a wonderful personality...hell...I do it all the time.I still have my whole family
fooled
Definately true. The eventual ends to changing ones mindset is doing so until the state
that you emulate becomes a natural, programmed response....kind of like self-induced conditioning.
Experience
may be the source of one's confidence in different circumstances, however for those who lack that experience
(especially the younger members), these kinds little mind tricks can at least help get someone on their way. So in
that sense, 'psyching yourself up' from time to time isn't necessarily a short-term fix; it can and should be a
method of facilitating long-term development.
the unexpected news is that everyone visualizes
all the time
and auditorizes, and sometimes creates feelings, smells, and other subtle sensations...
most of this is barely perceptible, right on the fringe of consciousness... this is one of the possible meanings of
Karma, the infite set of tape loops that your mind plays that creates "you"... most people do not have clear access
to this material, it's like a machine humming in the background that is perpetually re-creating your sense of self
identity... some go to psychologists who help them gain access to this internal theater and change the reels, switch
the films.... so life patterns don't have to constantly repeat... Zen masters and Yogis and prayerful people to
some extent have gained closer access to, and control over this limbic mind background music. The NLP people tried
to do it by direct manipulations of image processes and so on, but they never got much access to what was already
playing in there. They came close when they explored the structure of beliefs... like, what is a belief, anyway ?
What are your most deeply held beliefs about yourself ? How did you get them ? Most importantly, HOW does your brain
represent those beliefs to itself with such convincing power that you are compelled to act on them ? Strange, no ?
You are watching/listening to movies in your head, even as you read this, that have such a total grip on your sense
of reality, that every person who wrote their opinions in this thread was powerfully COMPELLED to do so in the way
they did. In that sense, the guy who has great luck with women is compelled to, and the guy who has no luck is also
compelled to... some people are always vulnerable to illness, some people seem to mount a powerful psychic defense
against illness, it has a lot to do with how you create MEANING... if a girl rejects you and your brain takes that
to mean you are a loathsome toad you will spend a massive amount of time insuring that you won't get rejected, if
rejection doesn't carry much meaning load, then you won't be tailoring your behavior around rejection issues...
I mean it bel...guys can do
that.The question is a hormonal change as well.Im not sure how that works but it doesnt involve anything medical.But
men can in fact be conditioned to lactate.No joke...I know it sounds bizare...well...in point of fact it is
bizare...maybe alittle too bizare.Maybe I'll try it...
male lactation fwiw
Thanks, that's a surprise.
Guess my knowledge in that area needs some updating.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Why don't some of you guys put
yourself in the shoes of an attractive, succesful woman.
First off most of us agree that you have to
visualize your self as having success with the ladies. And you do have to believe that you are a good catch. No
doubt about.
Now in the eyes of a worth while women, after all the DeAngelo is Messiah thinking has wore off,
what will make you an attraction to that woman other than the one hit wonder that you might get to be with
her?
What puts you above the rest of the crowd that may be going after that women? That women is certainly
looking for a man who believes in himself, but also has the credentials to back up that belief. Hocus Pocus
self-confidence is fickle and as I wisely pointed out before, a house built on sand.
A man can dream, but make sure to
spend more time to "make the dreams happen".
Trigerring enhanced emotional states (a.k.a anchoring) does help
but treat it as a crutch. In the end, a successful anchor & release should help push to make the leap.
I
knew I can do it because I had already done it!
Everything begins with an attitude.
It seems the more intelligent folk do
agree with me. And I believe that I have explained things quite clearly. In your mind, I'm on a drug trip and
retarded, however that doesn't change the truth.
All things begin with thought.
There is nothing that did not begin as a thought, be it a skyscraper or a written word. How the thought is made
manifest is what makes the difference.
There is a big difference between being confident and acting
confident. Being confident leads to acting confident, but does not lead to stupidity. Acting confident, with
nothing to back it up, usually leads to self delusion, which leads to stupidity.
When I created my first self
confidence CD and tested it on myself, I saw real results. My whole demeanor changed, and how I carried myself and
thought about myself changed. I found it easier to interact with people I did not already know. I began to succeed
more and more easily. What exactly did that CD do? In fact, it did nothing more than change my mind. Instead of
insecurity based thoughts, I began thinking confidence, which manifested as confidence, and got confidence
results.
It has a lot to do with point of view. If you are facing North when the sun goes down, you won't
see anything much compared to if you are facing the sunset. What changed? Point of view. Results may include
deeper feelings of appreciation, relaxation, and peace. In other words, just by shifting your point of view, your
whole experience changes.
There's a big difference between what your potential is and how close you are to
achieving it. Usually this difference can in large part be attributed to faulty or failure based thinking, be it
conscious or otherwise. Increasing confidence doesn't automatically mean you go from mail room clerk to company
vice president, but it sure does put you on the right path. And that right path is what you're after.
Catlord, I agree with you 100%. But
the debate here in my mind is how women percieve your level of self-confidence. After all, in almost every survey,
women say a man's most attractive trait is confidence. I just happen to think that too many young guys here and in
the area I deal in confuse cocky and confident.
It's definitely easy to do,
confusing cocky with confident, especially since the dating gurus are all preaching cocky comedy. (Which does work,
by the way, but cockiness without substance is hollow and comes across poorly, as you are saying.)
The day
before yesterday, I asked my girlfriend, "What did you like about how I introduced myself to you?" This was about
three years ago, and she doesn't remember much of it, but the first thing out of her mouth was confidence. That
was the only thing she remembered definitively.
Confidence cannot be a veneer if it is going to work. It has
to be genuine. But again, you can have genuine confidence simply by changing your thinking. I tend to look at it
as appreciating what you have going for you, instead of looking at what she might not like, and also realizing that
you can do better, and going for it instead of just wishing.
One of the biggest revelations I ever had, and
this seems to apply to almost all areas of life, is that those people who succeed the most, don't take things
seriously! In other words, it really doesn't matter, because it's just a game.
Tell me, why is
Bill Gates, rich as he is, still working? Or Donald Trump? These guys are doing what they're doing because it's
a strategy game for them. They have only their entertainment value to lose. It's the same with guys who are
uber-successful with women. It's just a game to them. They see themselves as having nothing to lose, and this
keeps them from being insecure.
When you stop letting yourself feel that you have something to lose, you
respond a lot differently. And of course, beautiful women are a dime a dozen (which is why the top modeling
agencies can be so damned picky, by the way). It doesn't matter if she's beautiful physically, because there's
always another beauty just around the corner. And once you start to really understand that, there's nothing to
lose, and your confidence with "beautiful" women soars. (EDIT: It seems only fair that I make it plain, attractive
men are also a dime a dozen. I'm not trying to make women into objects here.)
What it boils down to,
ultimately, is this: It's just a game. Relax, enjoy!
I think the reason women like the type of men they do,
the cocky/funny types, is because they express themselves with this confidence that says, "It's just a game to me,
I have nothing to lose." Which in turn says, "I'm wealthy/powerful/successful enough to be safe doing this."
Which in turn says, "GOOD GENES!"
(EDIT: Making a game out of it does not mean playing mind games with
people.)
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Male lactation? That's a first
for me as well. I'll tell my GF to stay off my nubbies!
self confidence CD
I'd be curious to hear more about
this CD - how did you go about making it? What was the content? I had a quick look and couldn't see anything you
already posted on this - apologies if you have already done so.
PM me, or
else someone will accuse me of advertising.
I happen to agree with you on the
idea that cockiness and confidence are two different things, and that in certain cases cockiness can actually be a
sign of insecurity. My friend acts that way, and sometimes I'd really like to put him in his place by calling him
out for actin like such a prick, but I'd rather not stoop down to his level.
However putting yourself in a
confident state of mind isn't as superficial as simply changing the way you act by putting up a front, its changing
the you genuinely feel. Feeling confident is a state of mind, as is feeling insecure. Everyone is capable of
being in in a confident state, or an insecure state depending on the environment they're in or the stimuli around
them. Guys that are successful with women approach women with a genuine confident state of mind, while those who
aren't so great with them usually approach them in an insecure state.
The lines between confidence and
insecurity are fluid though - we all have reasons to feel confident, and reasons to feel insecure. The trick is
programming your mind to naturally be in a confident state with women by bringing to mind the attributes about
yourself that you're confident about, and not letting yourself be overwhelmed by that which makes you feel
insecure. So when you meet women, don't concern yourself with the fact you lack experience with women, are
over-weight, got a bad hair cut etc etc...focus on the fact that you're a good converstationalist, you're
successful, make good money, etc etc etc.
Thats all there is to it.
I now plenty of guys that are not major achievers but have total
confidence.
One of my aquaintances makes about 50K, lives in a 1 bedroom condo, drives a 5 year old Honda
and was dating a Century City lawyer for 5 years (she probably made 4 times what he made). Now he's with a Bev
Hills real estate agent.
Women are attracted to confident guys that have high status. You can have both of
these without what would be considered major achievments.
And that is because .... unlike what many men think, women are NOT always drawn to financial success. Especially
if we have a decent job of our own that we love.
To me a strong man, confident and with well-defined moral
values (provided those values mesh with mine) and tons of overall charm, wittiness and intelligence - is imminently
more attractive.
Treasure Every Moment that you have
Yesterday is History - Tomorrow is a Mystery
Today is a Gift - That's why It's called the Present!
(Unknown source)
And that's what the much derided (on this board anyways) David D
teaches men.
No matter what several people here think, it is possible to improve your confidence and status
using various tools. At first they may not be totally congruent (fake it until you make it), but success breeds more
success.
Where the hell have I said
financial success equates to confidence. I know many people who are lower middle class and have genuine
self-confidence.
The problem with you DeAngelo lemmings, is you must think men were not successful with
women before Davey boy showed you the promised land.
FWIW, I like DeAngelo and think he gives terrific
advice. However, many men have no need to fork over dough for an E-Book, the Super CD series and the Super Super
Duper highly secret only he knows DVD SET FOR $299.99.
This stuff is common sense. Men have been attracting
women for centuries.
Achievement can be many things besides financial or worldly success, but confidence
must come from a solid foundation. And confidence build on itself, when you achieve your goals.
Absolutely wrong! We all know guys that are good with women. I had a cousin that
did almost everything that DD does years before DD. Anytime I asked my cousin for help he would just tell me to be
myself. Unforunatley, "myself" was a nice guy that would compliment women and try to impress them.
DD uses
many examples of men (and gives them credit) that are "naturally" good with women long before he was around. He is
just one of the first to actually see what they were doing and document it.
YOur right. Many menFWIW, I like DeAngelo and
think he gives terrific advice. However, many men have no need to fork over dough for an E-Book, the Super CD series
and the Super Super Duper highly secret only he knows DVD SET FOR $299.99.
don't need to buy any of his stuff. But just as many (probably more) would totally benifit from his info. I've had
my share of women and relationships. But after DD I feel like I'm much more in control of the direction any
relationship I'm involved in will take. And I'm also dating higher quality women.
Common sense! Where in anyThis stuff is
common sense. Men have been attracting women for centuries.
mainstream advice were men ever told that playfully insulting women and busting their balls would create
attraction?
Sorry, but playfully
insulting women and busting their balls is not what creates attraction. It can amplify it somewhat but it does not
create it.
Look, I've told you before,if DeAngelo works for you, than more power to you. I'm just
suspicious of all these dating guru sights that charge people an arm and a leg, when this advice is readily
avaliable with little cost. And I really get a kick out of the gurus that try to con guys out of their hard earned
moola, with the promise that they can attract any women, at anytime, and only they have the "MAGIC" formula.
Tounge, I 'd like you to
think on this. A beautiful woman is usually harder to get because she knows she's beautiful, right? But how does
she know this? Nobody starts off by looking in the mirror and saying, "I'm just all that." We all form our self
image based initially on what other people tell us, whether it be through words, body language, or
actions.
That super hot babe believes she's super hot because several hundred, or possibly thousand people
told her she is in various ways, repeatedly, consistently.
Right?
Well what if I happen to think
she's ugly? Does that make her self image change? Probably not.
So who's right? Is she a 10, as 1,000
people have told her, or a 2, as I decide to think? Or, is she a 5, as someone else might decide?
Of course
she believes she's super hot because she's been told the same thing over and over again. And she has real
confidence that she is super hot because she's gotten used to these statements to this effect. That confidence
didn't come from her winning the Miss USA pageant. It came from the thousand times she had the same BS repeated to
her.
Now if I make a CD that tells me that I'm now a confident guy, and it does so 750 times per hour, and I
listen to it an hour a day for 30 days, I've been told I am a confident guy 22,500 times. Chances are good that at
that point, I'll believe it, and act on that belief, and I will be confident. Is that confidence any different
than the confidence of the HB about her being a HB?
Likewise, take my cousin for example. He's a guy who
knows about anything you could want to know about construction. He's very good as a foreman, in fact, and he
handles complex situations with admirable ease. In other words, he knows what he's doing, and he has the
confidence that comes from knowing what he's doing.
Now he didn't get his confidence just because someone
told him he was confident, he got his confidence by doing a job until he was familiar with it. And what is that but
building a series of experiences that can then allow for a prediction of a similar result? Same as the first two
examples, only now it's a physical thing. "If I hold a nail this way, I'll avoid smashing my thumb."
My
point here is that there's no difference between confidence that comes from words alone and confidence that comes
from accomplishments, because the subconscious mind cannot distingush between them. If you visualize yourself
succeeding with women, and you do it enough, you'll have the same level of confidence with women as the guy who
actually did it. Same thing with visualizing working out. Same thing with anything.
Emotions come from the
subconscious, and the subconscious has no critical thinking capacity. It believes whatever you tell it. And
whatever it believes, it tries to make real. This is why a woman can get a breast reduction and have to have it
re-done a year or two later. If she never changed her self image in her mind, her subconscious works to re-build
her body to match it.
In the end, everything you experience depends directly on what "program" your
subconscious is "running". And if you change that program, your reality changes to reflect it. That's why
hypnosis, visualizations, subliminals and all the rest work.
Dude take your "AGENDA" and stick
it. You have only three posts here and you think you are capable of casting judgements. Your posts and your attitude
reek of hypocrisy. And I have no futher use of any dialogue with you or your "AGENDA".
Catlord, There is
a difference in confidence from doing things, and just being told things. Your cousin developed confidence in doing
things and learnig things. The chick was always told she was hot. So what. Just because she is good looking, that
makes her a confident woman? She could hear how hot she is 1000 times a day. And yet she could be filled with
insecurites as many hot looking women are.
This disscusion has gone as far as it needs to go for me. It is
obvious that there are two different levels of thought here, and they are not congruent.
This thread should
probably be moved to Open,since it isn't even on the pheromone topic anymore. And I have no more time to waste with
it.
wow, i can feel the tension!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE
have a good one
And on the same note, someone could have quite a bit of experience
in a particular area, but still be rife with insecurity if they don't have the right mentallity. Things aren't as
black and white as you make them sound, and there are other perspectives in the world other than your own. The
fault in your argument was never the fact that you were more right or wrong, both sides were right in their own
respect. - where you fell short is in your unwillingness to understand another perspective, while most of the other
posters conceded your point to an extent. and yes all the tasteless insults that you resulted to, some of which
almost got the thread deleted, didn't do much to build your credibility either.
Apologies
It's partly my fault that
this thread got ugly.
A previously banned user, who rather than appeal his banning chose instead to simply
register a new username, was doing a bit of year-end trolling here this weekend.
I knew who it was quite early
on, but chose to let him post for a couple of reasons, one of which was just to see if he could "make nice".
Evidently not.
I'm not particularly happy when ANY members get personal or insulting with other members, but
when it comes to banned users slinking in and causing disruptions I get especially defensive.
A Happy New Year
to ALL!
Oscar
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