Take a look in the Library (see the
"Quick Links" above). There should be at least some studies referenced the professor would like.
I'm not here to discourage anyone or give bad name to pheromones as still yet i believe in it (even
though haven't seen sucessful hits). I asked my professor about Pheromones well heres the email.
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ME:
Hi Sir,
In today's lector you mentioned about "Pheromones". I got a couple of questions regrating that,
my friend says he uses these "Pheromones" Colonge on his body and he gets these couple of girls after him from it
and his sex appeal became greater. Is that even possible? Like you said you can't just spray some of these
pheromones and be attracted to girls right away. How is he doing it or is he just lying. He said it was a Human
Pheromone. Does it work for everyone? Any location? (because he lives in states). Any Enviroment? Is it even
Possible? Can you just tell me a bit more about this?
Thanks
PROFESSOR:
He may believe it is working,
but likely it is only a placebo effect. That is not how pheromones work in humans and there is no legitimately
tested product that does what your friend claims. Likely, he is being conned. However, if he
believes that the
stuff is working, it may change his behavior and give him more confidence, thereby increasing his luck with meeting
women. The power of belief can be very influential. If you have other questions, let me know. Have
a good
day.
Dax Urbszat
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So i'm wondering is he speaking the truth? or whats going on? what do i
reply back to even convince myself and him that it really works. In otherwords is he right or wrong? Thanks
Take a look in the Library (see the
"Quick Links" above). There should be at least some studies referenced the professor would like.
Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
--Lazarus Long
Well with all the Crazy stuff
happening to me since I use mones, I donĀ“t realy need scientific evidence because I see they work...with me doing
nothing! No placebo effect for sure :-)
"He who makes a beast of himself
gets rid of the pain of being a man"
DR. JOHNSON
Greetings SirAngel
The professor does have a
point. I think a lot of the hits we observe here are either a result of a placebo effect or a kind of confirmation
bias.
I say placebo effect, but I believe this runs much deeper. One of the things all the seduction masters
will teach you is to believe you are the man or believe you are the prize. Basically you'll attract more women if
you think you're attractive. You will have greater confidence, self esteem, you'll think you can afford to be
pickier etc etc. These are all things that will make you more attractive on their own! (Read something at
fastseduction, or by Ross Jefferies or David DeAngelo). I think a lot of the effects we encounter are a result of
this.
Also after people have bought pheromones they are probably looking for evidence to justify their
purchase (Basic cognitive dissonance). That means they may be on the look out to confirm the theory that pheromones
work rather than being truely objective and dispassionate about the subject. Confirmation bias such as this has been
shown to exist not only in the general public, but in scientists too. Even NASA scientists if I remember correctly!
However, it was actually a psychology professor who introduced me to the idea of human pheromones and he
mentioned, albeit in passing how he thought they did work. He was certainly convinced that they influence hormones
and brain areas directly.
From my experience and from the evidence I've read I'm convinced that they can
work in this direct way too. However, I also believe the above two factors do contribute to a lot of the results we
observe here as well.
Our own DST used to be a psych
professor and he believes mones work. I know at least one other person holding a Ph.d in psych that believes mones
work. On the other hand I know a couple MDs that don't believe a word of it and another one that does. My own
experiments and a lot of reading convinced me but it took a year to do it.
My guess is that your professor just
hasn't kept up on that particular area of research. Not surprising as there is an awful lot of wide ranging info he
has to keep fresh on.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
they work, your idea of how they
work might not be right. for me it's just an initial spark of attraction that gets lost once you do something
stupid or they amplify attraction if there was attraction through looks. or you might be getting hits and not
realize it because you can't read body language.
i think being congruent is also a big part of the equation.
the projection of your image should be alpha along with your scent. c&f and other seduction techniques don't work
for non alpha guys. they come off as try hards and insecured guys.
the best place to test imo is clubs where
alcohol is flowing and girls act on impulse. they might wanna bag you because of your scent but social conditioning
doesn't let them do that when they're sober. that's where i notice my most aggressive hits were.
i just ran into this post on
fs.com. if you're only looking for hits from hot girls this is the problem. majority of my hits come from ugs
too.
1. UGs initiate,
HBs don't.
HBs don't HAVE to, they're USED to
being approached, and they choose their boys FROM WITHIN that
construct.
UGs don't get approached, and so have
learned to go
about initiating. Given that
UGs are still endowed with female
brains, they initiate poorly, and think "I'm doing everything I
can" when all they're doing is pointing their
eyeballs across a
crowded room. Nevertheless, they're going to be MUCH more
aggressive than most
HBs.
2.
HBs know that one thing which attracts
males is
"indifference." This is an act that mASF often teaches, the
"active disinterest" frame or the "I am the
prize" frame or the
"don't be needy" frame. Guys would do well to watch
HBs as they
go about "being"
indifferent. They aren't ACTUALLY truly
indifferent to male approaches -- they are crestfallen when a
hot guy
talks to all the chicks in their group except
themselves, for example (hence many other rules in the manual:
sarge the
cockblock first;
neg hit the hotties; etc.). And
they're
desperate to LOOK GOOD TO THEIR GIRLFRIENDS. Going out,
for a chick, is all about her own social standing relative
to
the group of people who make up what she thinks of as her
important circles of friendships. They always want
to out-hot
one another, out-get-approached-by-guys one another,
out-flirt-
with-the-cutest-boy-until-he-cums-in-his-pants one another. But
one way they do that, is by NOT doing
it overtly. The whole
"overt" thing isn't female. Whenever dealing with women, think
"double reversal" or
"reverse psychology." Whatever seems
obvious and effective to you, do the opposite.
Human
Pheromone research is in its infancy and the preliminary and emgerging studies have yet to gain wide spread
acceptance. To prove something via standard scientific methods and confirm and repeat those results takes years
infinitum. Everyone knows acupuncture is routinely used in China for anesthesia during surgery. However, most
Western physicians don't understand it and therefore deny it's effectiveness. That's the basic attitude of
Western science--deny until proven unto infinitum.
My own anecdotal experience is pheromones have enhanced my
attractiveness to certain women. Of course it was always there but products like the TE and NPA made them horny
enough that they twitch around for a while, can't stand the itch and come after me with a vengeance. I'm not an
alpha type--am reserved, gentle and middle aged--but a surprising amount of women half my age want to bang the shit
outta me. Now that sounds grand, but the repercussions were often very bad (although the moment was great fun). My
wang is still sore from the last two. The odd thing is both women basically went crazy after a couple months. Was it
the 'mones? I guess I'll never know but I always wore plenty when I saw them.
"I'm just a dirty hornytoad" -Gegogi
Many academics will form and
express opinions on the basis of what they learned 20 years ago. We all do that occasionally. To get an expert
opinion, you need to consult someone who specializes in the field of human pheromone studies.
Which is not to
say that placebo effects would not be occurring for us. I am sure that the confidence-building experiences help
make it easier for us to accomplish more in the long run, with or without the pheromones.
Thanks guys for the input ..
yeah i'm starting to disbelieve him too (my prof). I just hope i get a real big HIT from pheros that i can point
out and say HEy this is from Pheromones and totally ignore people who disbelieve it.
You have to realize that just becauseOriginally Posted by integra
he has a PhD in Psychology, it doesn't make him an expert on pheromones. A PhD is an extreme specialist in a
narrow area. If his specialty is lets say Clinical Psychology, asking him about pheromones wouldn't be not much
different from asking a brick layer about pheromones.
There's no doubt in my mind that all of the pheromone
products I ever purchased work and a lot more is going on than the placebo effect. Women aren't going to start
playing with their hair and giggling just because I act more confident around them. I'm also convinced that women
or girls will blush more, smile and give me more solid eye contact and even their tone of voice seems to change when
I'm wearing pheromones around them.
If pheromones did not work and all of the reactions were just placebo
effects, Love-Scent would not be in business because people would stop buying the products.
Heres a cut and paste of a
WICKED old post I made a while back. This explains (mostly) the possible effects of mones:
1) Alter other
people: This is the reason you bought them. They alter other people's moods, make them friendly, chatty, or could
make them aggressive (none OD) or shy or even scared (none OD to a female). However, this is the main effect that
you were shooting for.
2) Affect on yourself: This is the mones doing something to you. These effects are
usually good, but could be bad. For instance, I find that sometimes SOE makes me tired. Its happened a few times,
tho not all the time. WAGG tends to make me upbeat, and confident. The mones will affect the user in different ways.
They even make you feel more confident (however, dont confuse this with the next effect).
3) Placebo effect:
No, this is not the "its all in your head, mones dont work" effect. This is something different. If you consciously
KNOW you are wearing mones and you KNOW what they are supposed to do, it makes you more confident (dont confuse this
with the mones actually chemically stimulating you, this is purely a conscious effect). If I am wearing mones, I
consciously feel more confident in that I have an "edge" on the competition.
4) No other effect, except
heightened observation: This is the "bad" one. This happens sometimes, if a mix isnt for you, or if you arent using
enough, etc... All this means is that you were wearing a mix (although you dont know at the time that this mix
doesnt work for you) and you still notice women looking at you, following you, etc... All it means is that you were
actually paying attention and women tend to do this to do you fairly often, you just dont notice... until you
started wearing mones and noticed it. Im sure that youve all experienced this before. To make sure, always perform
close observation before starting a mone mix so you have a RECENT (not 2 years ago thing) baseline to judge your
experimental and control environment out on (pardon the scientific jargon).
Most successful mixes for people
create the first 3 effects, with minimal of the later effect. However, you cant say for 100% sure that mones DID
draw that female closer, even if you WERE wearing a mix you KNOW works for you, so that creates a little bit of the
4th effect.
Youll soon find that the 4th effect is pretty rare when you are wearing a good mix that works for
you. The first day I tried TE (I had been previously using ONLY 3 drops of AE) I noticed an immediate difference in
females that I am around.
Blessed are the cross-eyed, for they shall see God twice.
Products I own: AE/m, APC/m, NPA/m, TE/m, SPMO, SOE/m, WAGG, Perception, EW, Chikara
do your ownOriginally Posted by integra
test take two pictures of two guys who look about the same add a little pheromone to picture. then get two women
pictures add copulins to one separate pictures by 15 feet . have men look at womens picture at least 5 minutes and
go back and forth twiced same with women see who they choose . have x on back of picture with mones, do this in your
professors class. this is what proves it like putting none i mean heavy none and see how many guys will set down or
go near it.
HEy Thanks a lot for the Great
Deal of INformation. hehe btw Bionic_man you always seem to assume me . Thanks again
Professor Urbszat needs to read my NELOriginally Posted by integra
review:
http://www.nel.edu/22_5/NEL220501R01_Review.htm
He appears to have no knowledge on
the topic. Or direct
him to my URL. Pheromones influence hormone levels in the opposite sex. Hormones change
behavior.
JVK
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