according to clinical
research tongkat ali is supposed to make castrated rats sexually active to the point of actually harming themselves
to obtain a female partner.
Interesting powerpoint presentation on the testing of a rainforest herb, tongkat ali:
http://www.testingtongkatali.com/testosterone.ppt
-Bass
somewhere between amused and obsessed...
according to clinical
research tongkat ali is supposed to make castrated rats sexually active to the point of actually harming themselves
to obtain a female partner.
Interesting. How did they harm themselves?Originally Posted by BIONIC MAN
-Bass
somewhere between amused and obsessed...
I have taken tongkat ali
for a couple of weeks now. It works! For libido anyway. Check out
www.yohimbe.org it really is a good read. Scroll down the page and on the left
side there is some good info on tongkat ali.
It worked for me the first
day I took it but with continued use it gets better. It is getting to the point where I have semi wood all the time.
The sexual urges have increased 10 fold. By the way I am 44 years old. The effects started about an hour to an hour
and a half. So far there have been no side effects. The only thing you have to watch out for is the quality of the
ta you buy there seems to be a wide range of product out there so you have to make sure you are taking the right
amount.
Where are you getting yours?Originally Posted by burgerama1960
-Bass
somewhere between amused and obsessed...
Are there any related
side-effects, or issues, with using tongkat ali? Is there a tolerance buildup, etc?
Its supposed to enhance one's
health in general (in addition to its libido boosting properties) and i don't think there are any side effects
associated with the consumption of such a drink with the exception of it being heaty. True to Have_Courage's
ordeal, it really does taste unpleasant.
Medline has a couple
papers.
Two pushing the
stuff:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...<br /> <br />
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...<br /> <br />
And one mentioning toxic contaminants in some
samples:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q.../> <br /> 85
Originally Posted by burgerama1960Helloooooooo,Originally Posted by BassMan
Burger ???????????
I'd like to play. Is Burger the only test rat using this product?
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
interesting stuff...
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Doc, you're using? Is that a VOODOO WOODY interesting stuff, or a DST intellectualOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
reading interesting stuff?
Annnd, as Bass asked Burger, if you're using, where are you getting
your fix?
Always a pleasure ... thanks!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Never tried it, unless maybe
in combo with other stuff in other supplements. But sounds promising.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Gents,
There was a thread about
this about a year and a half back in the Health Forum.
It was posted by one of this forum's leading aficionados
in the field of Aphrodisia.
Whitehall's
Longjack Thread
Oscar
Thanks, Oscar!Originally Posted by oscar
Sounds like two different products, reading Whitehall's
findings, and then Burger's.
Hope that's not the reason Whitehall has not been around.
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Thanks, Oscar. Maybe I'll
snoop around a bit.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I started today with 2 capsules
of LJ100 in the morning. Dr. Ray Sahelian says that one of the side effects is insomnia so I'll only take it in the
morning.
There are also supposedly antihistamine side effects. That would be a positive unintended
consequence for me.
Also, some of the websites claim tongkat ali, aka longjack, aka Eurycoma longifolia raise
pheromone levels. The refer to the pheromones an-a and an-b, (an-alpha and an-beta). Anyone know what these are?
Here's the pheromone reference:
http://www.herbal-powers.com/bodbuilfitre.html
Last edited by nonscents; 01-15-2005 at 02:45 PM. Reason: added link
The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.
I'd still like to know where
Burgerama got his product since it worked for him, which takes away the YOU GOT GYPT factor.
Where you
get yours, Nonscents? Please keep the 40+ group informed on your findings.
Thanks!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Mobes,
I got mine here:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herbalpowers/lj10expow.html
Another site of interest is:
http://www.tongkatali.org/index.htm
but they require larger purchases and I didn't want to risk it
until I tried it out first.
They are in Aceh province in Indonesia, site of long-running rebellion and recent
tsunami.
The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.
Thanks, Noscents! Did you feel anything after your firstOriginally Posted by nonscents
dose?
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
Yesterday I
took two capsules.
I had had sex in the morning before I took the capsules and didn't have sex after I took
them.
When I went to bed last night I had noticed no effects that day.
But my sleep last night was very
poor. I was up a good part of the night and during the other times my sleep was very shallow. I got out of bed early
this morning and I do not feel rested at all.
I am sure the insomnia is a side effect of the LJ100. Dr. Ray
Sahelian mentions this on the site where he sells the stuff.
I also had an upset stomach this morning. I can't
say with any certainty whether this is an LJ100 effect or not.
My interim conclusion is that LJ100 is not for
me.
In a couple of weeks I will try to take 1 capsule in the morning instead of the 2 capsules I took
yesterday.
If I am not getting enough rest I am not going to be improving my weight lifting and I am not going
to be having better sex.
The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.
a clinical test was performed with two cages with a tunnelOriginally Posted by BassMan
between them. an electrified tunnel then a female rat in heat was placed in one and a castrated male rat in another.
but this rat was fed tongkat ali, well he bared the electrical shocks to reach his partner. check out muscle jack by
body building supplements the first natural prohormone product. if your adding all the test boosters out there
your horny mone signal should be very loud.
What's your body measurements, NonScents ... weight and height?Originally Posted by nonscents
Would anyone
know if that would make a difference ... a larger man needing more, and a smaller man needing less?
Thanks!
Never argue with ignorant people! They pull you down to THEIR level, and then they BEAT YOU with experience. Who said that!? I don't know, but tis gold I tell'ya!!
ANYBODY over 200 pdsOriginally Posted by MOBLEYC57
could double dose safely
I am 5'10" tallOriginally Posted by MOBLEYC57
and weigh 171 lbs. I have very little body fat.
By the way, the producers of LJ100 emailed me and told me to
return the product and they would refund it. I've returned my bottle and I am waiting for the refund.
The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.
Originally Posted by nonscents
Here in South East Asia region...Tongkat Ali is plentiful and taken without any side effect, we have energy drinks
to coffee with Tongkat Ali. I personally like to take the tradisionally prepared versions that are prepared in
villages here. It is made of 100% original roots without and perservatives.
What it does is improves blood
circulation and hence this will also help in the power in the reproductive organs.. My experience with it is that it
help me with my back pain that I was having before. It was not a overnight improvement by after taking for a month
or so. My dosage is 2 capsules before bed.
I have stop taken it as I have problem getting tradisional prepared
ones here in the big city. Everytime someone goes to the Langkawi Island..I'm sure to order a few bottles from
them. I'm sorry to here that some people overseas have a side effects but this might be due to the diet/food
between the regions.
Try taking Tongkat Ali minus
the alcohol... and this stuff is not to be taken before bed (except when you need them as bosters to an immanent
sexual endower) otherwise this stuff is designed to put you on an 'alert' mode all day.
I once took a yohimbe product (it
had some other stuff in it) to see if me and this woman I'm seeing could go "all night" (we usually only go for 5
hours or so until I run out of steam or she runs out of juices, sorry to be vulgar) but all it did was make me
flushed and sweaty, and the sweat had a strange, pervasive odour which wasn't particularly disgusting, but
certainly not pleasant. I would recommend that everyone stay away from anything containing Yohimbe. There are
heart-health risks to taking it as well.
Now, Tongkat Ali, I want to try some of this stuff. What's the
best place to get a 50:1 mix?
Slinger
heres my bionic horny mix,
tongkat ali,l-arginine,zma,maca,dhea,tribbulus terrestis,yohimbe,and copulins under snout horny goat weed
my test is like when i was 18
You may try this site Slinger:
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/tribulusterrestris.html
for the international version or you may also try the Indonesian
version at: http://www.tongkatali.org/
However, the Malaysian Tongkat Ali are certified as genuine and pure by the Malaysian Government:
http://www.tenagalelakihebat.com/buy.htm and remember, no alcohol what so ever.
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