It's possible that pheromones
have a sort of homeopathic action.
i could swear i have increased my muscle mass in the last 2 months ever since using pheremones! am i losing my mind
or has anyone else experienced this weird phenomenon! its too bad i havent measured my arms and shoulders as this is
where i have gained the most! is the whole thing possible?
It's possible that pheromones
have a sort of homeopathic action.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Because of such sheer minute
(or however you spell that) doses of the andro's, its not possible to gain on it. It doesnt have the properties to
transdermally carry it across at an effective rate.
Put it this way... With something such at 4AD... you need
to take 800 - 1000 mgs a day to see results. Or as for one of the most potent transdermals 1-Test... 300 - 600
Mg's. Both of these are considered the "Moderate" dose... so most go much higher.
But anyway... By the looks
of the structures of the mones.. they could have some anabolic/androgenic properties... but by so little that is put
on, and carrier involved... Im 99.99% positive this did not attribute to your gaining of mass.
Adams
This is someone who obviously
doesn't believe in homeopathy.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I believe in homeopathy...
To an extent, and with certain substances. Andro is not one of em... Why hasnt every other pheromone user here
blown up??? I know some people here have been using phero's for years and then some.
Put it this way...
Phero's and what they do.. You know.. and I would never question what you had to say about them.. actually I would
take what you say as facts...
Anabolics, and Fitness substances is my forte'
Adams
There was a guy on the forum a couple years agoOriginally Posted by luckyhorse
the swore pheromones caused him to gain weight. In his caase is seemed to be water. Nobody believed him. No we have
a second report of gain from mones, it makes me wonder if there isn't something to it in some very rare cases.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Remember,Originally Posted by DAdams91982
AAS and fitness is my forte as well
One thing you need to keep in mind is that pheromones may raise serum
testosterone levels to a minor extent (increases LH slightly). For someone who may be at equilibrium without a
proper exercise regime a small change in test level will certainly mean a gain of at least a few pounds...which
would be a noticeable mesomorphosis.
However, salty dogs like us would probably need something a tad bit
stronger
Chemo
Smelling Phero's raises LH??? Even then... wouldnt it be so very small ofOriginally Posted by Chemo (BDC
Concepts)
a change that it wouldnt be to terribly noticable... I mean chertain foods, and herbs, and such also fluctuate test
in small amounts.
Not disagreeing with anything your saying.. just questions from myside... since Phero's are my
area.
Last statment I do agree with though... maybe just a "Tad".
Adams
These are two very distant cases though... We dont got aOriginally Posted by belgareth
background on if anything changed in his lifestyle or what not... I mean changing weather can fluctuate test a
little bit.
We need a controlled test subject... Someone who isnt a "Salty Dog" 8-)
Adams
This is a crossover area, not strictly about fitness substances. Sometime micro doses of somethingOriginally Posted by DAdams91982
can be stronger than mega doses. HgH works in homeopathic form, so why not pheromones? I've had this idea for a
while, but am just now thinking out loud with it. It wouldn't have to work that way for everybody, since
homeopathics don't work that way anyhow. I thought I got a little more cut and put on a little non-fat weight when
I started using them too. I never concluded anything from that, and I still don't. So I'm not saying
you're wrong, because I don't know. But why dismiss a sensible hypothesis out of hand before any evidence
has been gathered?
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Effect sizes of LH spikes are unclear to date, though significant forOriginally Posted by DAdams91982
-nol and copulins.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
HgH is junk in the homeopathic form... HgH to be effective, should beOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
injected.
The only reason I say this was wrong, is because of the way the "Chemicals" work for this type of
thing... again I dont know much about how pheromone's work. I was quick to backtrack a little bit when chemo said
something about flucuating LH... This is something I would like to know more about. Im still skeptical... actually
damn positive it didn't gain any mass... but am always willing to hear peoples opinions on this, cause like I
said... Im no pro on pheros... so really I'd believe whatever Chemo said, cause he is quite skilled in both
fields.
Adams
Pardon me a moment, but I'm
feeling a tad cranky and need to vent. Maybe it's that time of the month. I must admit it is a pet peeve of mine
when someone proclaims something is "junk" (like someone's idea) in an arrogant manner without citing evidence, or
demonstrating knowledge of the relevant issues, other than claiming they just know what they are talking about
better than someone else. It squelches discussion, unless someone is willing to be assertive like myself. Few are,
as they think it's not worth it. Usually they're right. Because then I personally feel obliged to spend time
looking up research to fix someone else's irresponsible statement, just because they wouldn't search for the
studies. And yeah, I feel "scoffed at", which should be unnecessary, even though that's just a trivial ego bruise.
Right or wrong, I almost never just say something without multiple good reasons to do so, unless I'm kidding. If
you are just expressing an opinion and guessing you should admit that, but you act like you have some conclusive
evidence. There, I feel better. Nothing personal. You are by no means the worst offender.
Apparently there have
been a few positive studies emerging about homeopathic HgH.
http://www.findarticles.com/p
/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Feb-March/ai_82881786
http://www.metafoods.com/include/metafoods/mf
_hgh_studies.htm
http://www.vitaminusa.com/homrechumgro.html
My
nutritionist also showed me a study where those who took homeopathic HgH after quitting the injectable form retained
several HgH benefits much longer than those who quit altogether, but I couldn't find that one this morning. These
studies don't prove anything anyway. But they do suggest more research is warranted, which means that the time for
generating hypotheses is now. When I and my friend took homeopathic HgH for a brief trial, both of us experienced
immediate improvement in sleep and our voices lowered permanently. The product is of course controversial, but the
controversy has not been based on research so far, but on theoretical misconceptions about how homeopathy works
(e.g., that it must be based in "opposites", or that the actual molecule content is what matters.)
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I ment no disrespect in the
first place... I told you I value your information on stuff you know... I am speaking with knowledge that I have
gained through real tests on myself, and throught the AAS community.. not through medical studies.. though value may
raise, and certain things pop up in a medical study, doesnt mean it is really working in the subject themselves... I
would trust a guy named EuroJuicer on a forums, who has numerous people backing him up (Name is finctional).. over
someone who has an MD through a textbook.
I'd love to show some references.. but I cant spend much time on
here... I just get to dip in and out here and there.. since Im deployed to Southwest Asia.
Adams
Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
Cops is reputed to raise T
levels by 150%, I'm don't know the figures for -nol but I remember Bruce told JVK to include -nol in SOE because
it caused a LH spike.
I also wonder if products like TE/NPA boost testosterone levels, factoring in the
stimulant and aggressive properties/effects on self.
cpt, JVK just said yesterday that the
150 percent was from a cops and nol mx, and the formula in that study is what he used for SOE/w.
We've had
it wrong on the forum all of this time apparently, as it was not just cops
Thanks bjf I hadn't read that
thread yet
150%... that is quite a bit... thereOriginally Posted by CptKipling
is a big different between 500ng/ml, and 750ng... I wish I could do bloodtest every 10 minutes... one before cops,
and one after.
Ha... new preworkout mix, Of course your whey, and V12, and all that fun stuff (M5AA for them on
cycle days), and a consistent dose of your favorite Cop.
Okay.. maybe only a few of us will
find that funny.
Adams
IOriginally Posted by bjf
apologize for being misleading. The cops formula Astrid used is the same in SoE/w. The androstenol was added to the
mix since it was linked to increased LH and likely to increased mood in women. How do you get women to wear a
fragrance product that has more appeal to men than to women? Make sure it has a positive effect on the women (e.g.,
incorporate androstenol)
JVK
you guys are trippin if you
think pheromone fragrances actually raise your test enough to see wight gain. something is being over looked, but
its obviously NOT the cologne.
I believe the same thing.Originally Posted by sonicbum
Adams
I've noticed very good effects on women wearing beta-nol alone and I am currently experimentingOriginally Posted by bjf
with PCC alone. Has anyone tried PCC + beta-nol? If regular nol + copulins raises testosterone by 150%, what will
beta-nol + copulins do or even beta-nol + nol + copulins?
tiger, I ws wrong. it is just cops.
I have beta nol. I still don't buy that adding cops offers much benefit. maybe it makes us produce more of our
own pheromones.
luckyhorse, lemme ask you a
question. have you also noticed a difference in your eating habits? The reason I'm asking is because as of lately,
I've been having irresistable cravings, I get so so so hungry. and i have been eating like a horse, but whats
weird is that i havent noticed getting fatter rather my muscles look more pumped and defined. and i only lift
weights like once a week. It sounds outraggeous I know... but who knows... may have something to do with p-mones
like you say.
no my eating habits are
pretty much the same but my arms have increased in size definetly my veins are popping out of both biceps i do
physical work for a living but have not increased my workload to justify the gain my strength has increased as well!
strange very strange!
Do you meanOriginally Posted by bjf
that you don't believe Astrid's finding of 150% testosterone increase? Such an increase would be very likely to
result in increased masculine pheromone production.
I've had peer review comments like "I don't buy the
model." Such comments, as yours, do not allow for any rational reply, other than tell us why you "don't buy"
---whatever.....
JVK
I swear I saw the link to
the Astrid study before or otherwise had it in my personal research files but cannot find it at the moment. Could
someone please post or link to the abstract once again.
Thanks
Matt
No JVK, I meant I don't buy that addingOriginally Posted by jkohl
cops would help men attract women, at least directly because of the cops. Some people use it based on the social
validation theory - as in they get laid, so women (non-partners) should find them desirable.
I don't think
people react to pheromones like that, ie he has cops on him, so he just got laid. It seems to be a non-rational,
instinctual quick response, and I'd guess it would be read as "he has a vagina".
However, I think that maybe
wearing cops could help in the sense that they increase your T-levels, and thus pheromone production, but who knows
how long that process takes. Maybe in the time window when you are wearing the cops, the pheromones from that
t-level increase don't make it to the light of day.
Anyway, my biggest reason for being a non-believer on
wearing cops on a man is that the best indication of usefulness is the experiments of the forum members, and most of
those who tried did not believe them to be useful.
BJF,Originally Posted by bjf
Thank you for the clarification. The
increased T response reportedly occurs after approx. 20 minutes
exposure.
http://evolution.anthro.univie.ac.at... /> <br /> l
I also have doubts about the effectiveness of using cops when it comes to men using them to increase
the interest of women. However, there's a new report I just posted info on that indicates a chemical secreted in
the underarm area of breastfeeding women increases sexual interest in other women.
JVK
Thanks for the link JVK.
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