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Jamie3500
01-13-2008, 01:06 PM
Hey
Guys, after a little browsing I came accross a product Called "Pherox" which claims to increase your bodies own
pheromones through supplementation. I have tried a phero enchancer before by the name of Attract-Rx, which did not
work for me. Can anyone provide validation on whether or not these products work?
Thanks
terry0400-40
01-13-2008, 02:32 PM
Hey
Guys, after a little browsing I came accross a product Called "Pherox" which claims to increase your bodies own
pheromones through supplementation. I have tried a phero enchancer before by the name of Attract-Rx, which did not
work for me. Can anyone provide validation on whether or not these products work?
Thanks:goodpost:
Jamie Hmmmm food for
thought. It is a well known fact that Attract-Rx has not been used
with succes by anyone who has posted on the forums over the years, as all reports have been as discribed by yourself
with respect to its use.
It appears that the "Pherox" comes with a 110% guarantee, perhaps you can be the first one to post
up a reveiw here as to the effectiveness of this supplement reputed to give great results acording to the
testemonials given on its web site. :cheers:
Jamie3500
01-13-2008, 03:40 PM
I may just do that. The fact
that it comes in a dropper bottle as a liquid is interesting...but Through experience I have noticed that most phero
companys will dingy you right after you have bought their product. the site claims " Instantly you will notice
the results as the body warms and the skin tingles", would this be safe? Im all in for expermenting but if its with
something dangerous, im out :hammer: . Regarding the testemonials - I dont think most sites have real, impartial
comments as there are never any bad reports...
EDIT: Being me, and having more money than sense I decided to buy
Pherox from a UK supplier. I took a look at the ingredients which turn out to mean nothing to me so could a more
enlightened member please explain if any of the following could possibly have phero increasing properties.
Vitamin
E (as Tocopheryl Acetate)
Thiamine HCI
Riboflavin (as Riboflavin-5-Phosphate-Sodium)
Niacin (as Nicotinic
HCI)
Vitamin B 12 (as Cyanocobalamin)
Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium Pantothenate)
Caffeine
Thanks
terry0400-40
01-13-2008, 06:26 PM
I
may just do that. The fact that it comes in a dropper bottle as a liquid is interesting...but Through experience I
have noticed that most phero companys will dingy you right after you have bought their product. the site claims "
Instantly you will notice the results as the body warms and the skin tingles", would this be safe? Im all in for
expermenting but if its with something dangerous, im out :hammer: . Regarding the testemonials - I dont think most
sites have real, impartial comments as there are never any bad reports...
EDIT: Being me, and having more money
than sense I decided to buy Pherox from a UK supplier. I took a look at the ingredients which turn out to mean
nothing to me so could a more enlightened member please explain if any of the following could possibly have phero
increasing properties.
Vitamin E (as Tocopheryl Acetate)
Thiamine HCI
Riboflavin (as
Riboflavin-5-Phosphate-Sodium)
Niacin (as Nicotinic HCI)
Vitamin B 12 (as Cyanocobalamin)
Pantothenic Acid (as
Calcium Pantothenate)
Caffeine
ThanksTheir vitamin E, Tocopheryl
Acetate is a relativley usless form, and nowhere near as effective as the natural vitamin E ( d-alpha Tocopherol
)...
And
the other ingredients can all be found in a vitamin B complex formulation, with the exception of Caffeine.
My gut
tells me that the stuff would be a waste of time and a waste of hard earned money and would be better off left alone
unless you have piles of money laying around and nothing to spend it on.
Maby something in the ingredients works to
have a catalyistic effect on the Caffeine and that produces a warm buzz which in turn produces a nice grin and hence
the attraction. ha ha expensive smile. :cheers:
Jamie3500
01-14-2008, 04:38 AM
:goodpost: Yeah to be honest I
expected it to be a waste of money but then again its always good to try new things even if all i get is an
"expensive smile" :blink: . So, as soon as I test this stuff out i will post my experience and mabey save you guys
some money...:lol:
terry0400-40
01-14-2008, 10:28 AM
:goodpost: Yeah to be honest I expected it to be a waste of money but then again its always
good to try new things even if all i get is an "expensive smile" :blink: . So, as soon as I test this stuff out i
will post my experience and mabey save you guys some money...:lol:weeel sure
be lookin forward to your report, as the proof of the pudding is in the eating so they say
.
And if the
juice proves to be sommat outa de ordinary then imagion the added boost of added synthethic pheromones on top to add
flavour.
Besides its good to have a dedicated pioneer on the team, a real asset to the forum id say, so
good luck with it all Jamie. :wave:
... the
site claims " Instantly you will notice the results as the body warms and the skin tingles", would this be safe? Im
all in for expermenting but if its with something dangerous, im out :hammer: .
Niacin will do this.
It's sold as a vitamin. Docs often recommend it for lowering cholesterol. Relatively harmless although large doses
over long periods of time might harm the liver. You can find more information about it on a web search.
Jamie3500
01-15-2008, 04:29 AM
Well, My Pherox arrived and I
must say that the Dosage technique is rather strange. A few drops under your tounge and held in your mouth
for about a minute. It tastes of nothing other-worldly, Similar to cough syrup. Will repost in 20 minutes when the
"skin warming/tingling" effects are supposed to kick in...
Jamie3500
01-15-2008, 08:08 AM
Its been over 20 minutes now
and I dont feel any different. I dont go out until later tonight but I will keep an eye out for any possible
effects.
CptKipling
01-15-2008, 09:09 AM
From the ingredients I'd say
it was junk.
If you want to up your pheromone production go to the gym and lift some weights. Maybe also try
ZMA.
Bruce
01-15-2008, 11:01 AM
Good health will of course improve
your natural pheromone signature. Like the Capt says, a good workout is probably your best investment there.
FutureKill
01-15-2008, 11:20 AM
:goodpost:My guess is that a
natural testosterone booster would increase your natural mone levels, would it not?. That is, something that
increases your natural test production. A lot of weight lifters, body builders etc. use such products. I
definitely think it works (for test at least), I don't know about pheromone production though.
Instead of
recommending a specific product, let me just say that a plant called tribulus terrestris is known to increase test
levels. Also, there is a plethora of "Aromatase Inhibitors," which basically block test-to-estrogen conversion,
thus indirectly increasing test levels.
Just google either or find a health food/supplement store.
I hope
that helps.
terry0400-40
01-15-2008, 11:39 AM
The testosterone booster that i am using at the moment works far better than a tribulus type product
it is called "Androstenetrione" and it is not a pro hormone but works in a manner so as not to be liver
toxic.
I have been taking 300mg for the last 16 days and it
works wonders for me, it is also comonly known as "6-oxo" and can be purchased just about
anywhere.
I buy it in the 20grm powder size called 1Fast400
Androstenetrione, and cap it myself, i order it from www.bulknutrition.com (http://www.bulknutrition.com)
who actually get the stuff here to me in Australia in 4 days.
The only real side effect is that i have been waking up each morning with a monster woody. \o/
Jamie3500
01-15-2008, 05:31 PM
Well it never was an attempt
to boost my natural Pheros per say, more of clarification of whether or not such products exist. Apparently Not.
While on the subject of Testosterone could I ask what benefits I would gain from having it in decent amounts? All I
know is that it is the main male Hormone but I do not know much of its function. Can anyone explain?
CptKipling
01-15-2008, 06:03 PM
ZMA is the "cleanest" way to
boost testosterone levels via supplementation as far as I know.
...and Terry, be careful about what you seem to
be stating as fact there. Also, 6-oxo does have other side effects, a quick google will tell you this. I'm not
saying I know it's a bad idea, but you really shouldn't be messing with your endocrine system without being sure
about the consequences.
http://pherolibrary.com/articles/pheromone-increase.htm
terry0400-40
01-15-2008, 08:33 PM
ZMA is the "cleanest" way to boost testosterone levels via supplementation as far as I
know.
...and Terry, be careful about what you seem to be stating as fact there. Also, 6-oxo does have other side
effects, a quick google will tell you this. I'm not saying I know it's a bad idea, but you really shouldn't be
messing with your endocrine system without being sure about the consequences.
http://pherolibrary.com/articles/pher
omone-increase.htmThanks (http://pherolibrary.com/articles/pheromone-increase.htm[/quote]Thanks) for the concern Captain, Re 6-oxo, yes there
is always oposing interests out there trying to scare monger when a product has proven successfull in many
university tests and is a leader in its field as 6-oxo is and this is to be understood.
It is a good thing the Australian
customs do not allow dangerous supplements be imported into this country to be used as it is very strict with with
the importing of "dangerous goods" as we have very stringent medical guidelines that have to be adhered to and our
customs service is the very best in the world and need to be congratulated in the efforts they go to in protecting
our citizens from poisons and dangerous hormones and hgh ect ect.
Out of the 100 s of testemonials supporting
the product 6-oxo there have been several reports of some users getting a little pimpley on the back and one person
stated he had trouble sleeping after taking it at bedtime, but overall nothing negative except from those with
vested interests, as there always will be those scare tactics working to be subversive.
To be sure if "Androstenetrione" posed
any genuine health related threats our Government would never allow it to be freely imported into the country, even
my shipment had been opened and inspected by customs agents and resealed before delivery to
me.
Actually
there are hundreds of other anabolic supplements that are produced in USA and do not stand a chance of ever entering
this country because of the scientific expertese that we posess in the detecting of "genuine" dangerous goods.
But good
advice from you is appreciated as there are so many agents and even herbal ingredients that can have an effect on
the endocrine system not forgeting licorice and ginsing and many chinese herbs that the Earth has provided for us to
use with prudence and wisdom.
So may we be guided with the spirit of intelligence in the choices that we
make.
I am
56 years old and have been treating myself long before my doctors told me i would not live past 30 years of age.
:cheers:
terry0400-40
01-15-2008, 11:48 PM
ZMA is the "cleanest" way to boost testosterone levels via supplementation as far as I
know.
...and Terry, be careful about what you seem to be stating as fact there. Also, 6-oxo does have other side
effects, a quick google will tell you this. I'm not saying I know it's a bad idea, but you really shouldn't be
messing with your endocrine system without being sure about the consequences.
http://pherolibrary.com/articles/pheromone-increase.htm
:goodpost: Thanks Captain, I have just done some serious research on ZMA and read some fantastic reveiws, especially
regarding sleep and energy.
Really great stuff that i will be certain to order, thanks Squire. :cheers:
CptKipling
01-17-2008, 09:15 AM
No worries terry, just making
sure we have a balance of opinions in the thread.
Oh and I have supplemented my zinc intake with up to 45mg with
good results.
For everyone's information, 6-oxo may also have unknown problems further down the line (that
doesn't mean it will,
its just means that there hasn't been enough time to determine long term effects
properly). You will also potentially experience the nastier effects of raising testosterone, such as acne and
accelerated hair loss.
terry0400-40
01-17-2008, 12:20 PM
No
worries terry, just making sure we have a balance of opinions in the thread.
Oh and I have supplemented my zinc
intake with up to 45mg with good results.
For everyone's information, 6-oxo may also have unknown problems
further down the line (that doesn't mean it will,
its just means that there hasn't been enough time to determine
long term effects properly). You will also potentially experience the nastier effects of raising testosterone, such
as acne and accelerated hair loss.Thats right as who really knows the long
term effects of the 6-oxo substance, It is something that should be cycled, and i have a while on
still.
I did
order the 1FAST400 brand ZMA from www.bulknutrition.com (http://www.bulknutrition.com) after reading
some of the users comments, so will probably start out taking 2 at night, it appears they must be consumed without
any calcium products. The price of bulknutritions own brands ( 1FAST400 ) quality is good, when compared with some
others.
Jamie3500
01-29-2008, 10:39 AM
Right, well seeing as I still
have the pherox and not wanting to 'waste' I have continued use and about 10 minutes ago I experimented a little
and decided to OD a little on it. All I have to say is "Ow, it Burns!". My skin, particularily my face has gone red
and there is a slight throbbing in my ears that is luckily fading quickly...
Some food for thought for you guys
:rofl:
terry0400-40
01-29-2008, 11:35 AM
Right, well seeing as I still have the pherox and not wanting to 'waste' I have continued
use and about 10 minutes ago I experimented a little and decided to OD a little on it. All I have to say is "Ow, it
Burns!". My skin, particularily my face has gone red and there is a slight throbbing in my ears that is luckily
fading quickly...
Some food for thought for you guys :rofl:Wow seriously
hot stuff man, I hope ya get some hits outa it all.
Great work
with this and appreciate your feedback :wave:
Jamie3500
01-29-2008, 11:52 AM
Well thanks Terry, I also
bought some ZMA and Tribulus Terrestris from Sci-MX. Its quite high end stuff and pricey so lets see if i get any
results from this. I may need to lay off my experimentation for a while as its taking its toll on my wallet,
especially now that Im paying for Driving lessons and the like.
P.s The burning and pulsing sensation has
dissapeared but my skin is still a bit red. I wonder how long that will last...
terry0400-40
01-29-2008, 03:49 PM
Well thanks Terry, I also bought some ZMA and Tribulus Terrestris from Sci-MX. Its quite
high end stuff and pricey so lets see if i get any results from this. I may need to lay off my experimentation for a
while as its taking its toll on my wallet, especially now that Im paying for Driving lessons and the like.
P.s
The burning and pulsing sensation has dissapeared but my skin is still a bit red. I wonder how long that will
last...Most people report good results from taking the ZMA, especially in
the areas of sleep quality, which in turn assists with anabolic enhancement in general.
Looks like a good product you have, but
personally i would not go for 8 caps per day, and just use 3-4 caps about 1/2 hour before bed with water on a
relatively empty tummy. Just remember not to take it together with anything containing calcium, because just about
every ZMA product warns that it is counter productive to take with Milk, Whey, or calcium
products.
There is a good Tongkat-Ali and Tribulus combination capsule availabe and still on special at
Global Supplements, it appears to have excellent concentrations of the stated herbal ingredients, The price is
fab.
I am
still waiting for my ZMA from www.bulknutrition.com (http://www.bulknutrition.com) because it was out
of stock at the time of my order as it is good quality at a good price and i also opted for the $11.99 international
shipping this time instead of the $22.00 which is superfast delivery.
Il be interested to see how your sleep
improves when you start taking your ZMA.
Also look up ACETYL-L-CARNETINE,
This can be ordered from a variety of places, But if you log on to
www.bulknutrition.com (http://www.bulknutrition.com) and click on to the 1Fast400 brand list of
products you will see their acetyl-l-carnetine listed amoungst their brand products and when you bring it up you
have the option of checking the user feedback comments on this supplement, Also Bulknutrition stock other brands of
this product and many of the featured listings have user comments that you can also check
out.
I dont
receive any credits for mentioning bulknutrition, i just find some good prices and quality for some of their own
shop lines, and also the opportunity to get user feedback on previously unknown supplements. :cheers:
DrSmellThis
01-29-2008, 04:19 PM
Just 5mg DHEA definitely
works for this purpose.
idesign
01-29-2008, 05:05 PM
Just
5mg DHEA definitely works for this purpose.
I take a 25mg DHEA supplement 3-4/wk. Definitely notice a
difference where it counts.
Along with other putative benefits, its supposed to be a male hormone precursor?
Testosterone?
I take a 25mg
DHEA supplement 3-4/wk. Definitely notice a difference where it counts.
Along with other putative benefits, its
supposed to be a male hormone precursor? Testosterone?
Both a male and female hormone precursor. see
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Steroidogenesis.gif
MOBLEYC57
01-29-2008, 08:28 PM
Just
5mg DHEA definitely works for this purpose.
Ya talkin' daily, Doc?
I take a
25mg DHEA supplement 3-4/wk. Definitely notice a difference where it counts.
Along with other putative benefits,
its supposed to be a male hormone precursor? Testosterone?
How old are you, ID, and is that 3 to 4 times
per week or 3 to 4 tabs of 25mg per week?
Thanks! :run:
idesign
01-29-2008, 08:31 PM
Both a male
and female hormone precursor. see
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Steroidogenesis.gif
Very funny, can you
present that in Russian? I'm challenged that way.
idesign
01-29-2008, 08:40 PM
How old are you, ID, and is that 3 to 4 times per week or 3 to 4 tabs of 25mg per week?
I'm 50, and
take a 25mg cap 3-4 times/wk.
I get it, and other supplements
here:
http://www.drwhitaker.com/Products2.aspx?ProductID=DH22
DrSmellThis
01-30-2008, 05:44 AM
I just meant yo can take
5mg/day whenever you want that boost.
It was theorized that it boosts -rone, since that's the closest
offspring, but I think it turns pheromonic in counterintuitive ways; and that DHEA-s (most common skin variety) is
itself probably a pheromone, likely the most plentiful on the human body. I noticed increased hits, a pheromone
smell noticeable especially in arm hair; as well as possible increased OD risk with other -mones.
I only avoid
it because of hair loss increase, for me personally.
Though it's a major precursor of T; how much converts to
T depends on your body's need for it -- not necessarily all that much.
terry0400-40
01-30-2008, 12:49 PM
Lucky guys some of you that need to use DHEA and can obtain it legaly.
It is a prohibited import into Australia
and a person who requires it has to present his case to a doctor in the hope of obtaining a
prescription.
I may be able to give it a go but at the moment my Doc has me using up a generous proportion of
Sustanon ampoules ( testosterone ) I have chosen to inject 1ml of Sustanon 100 every 2 weeks, and i choose to take
the anti arometase in the form of 6-oxo ( Androstenetrione ) at 300mg per night.
The dose of Sustanon that i administer is
only about 1/8 of the amount a bodybuilder could typicaly use.
I have been using the test for nearly 14
weeks and in the first 8 weeks i did gain about 14 lb in weight which i have retained up till now with good abs
definition.
Nearly 5 years ago my Doc gave me a script for Deca which after using for several months caused me
to become immensly muscular insonuch that if i went outdoors with a T shirt on or no shirt at all, the majority of
people around would stare at me and start to group around me if i was at any type of venue i usually attracted a
group of males asking me all types of questions and also just wanting to hang with me, very strange feling when it
is happening, but i must say i looked great as i was labouring for builders and bricklayers at the
time.
Side
effects with the Deca NOT GOOD, throughout the day a very tired feeling and sense of lethargy and also my blood
pressure shot up and also lost much of my aerobic conditioning.
At the time of my Deca trial i did not know
about the production of Estrogen associated with raised hormonal levels had i known the trials may have been
different.
At the moment with my Testosterone trials my energy levels are fine and also my cardio is good and
also my bloodpressure,
I think the only way i am now going to get
any heavier since gaining my initial 14 lbs is if i choose to eat the correct ratios of protein and have some early
nights.
But
i feel that in my present low bodyfat and level of muscle is adequate as i have also improved my strength and
endurance.
I
dont think i will go on forever taking the Sustanon 100, as i am not really interested in looking gigantic, if so i
could tripple my dose, But i may just stop the Testosterone inject and finish the remaining 6-oxo about 4 weeks
supply and then just rely on more natural means of Testosterone production like Supplements ZMA and maby some
tongkat ali and tribulus, and some acetyl-l-carnitine.
There is every likleyhood that i would
eventually go back from my now 11.5 stone weight to my former 10.5 stone weight ( 150 lb ) at 5 ft and 5.5" height.
idesign
01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
I started using DHEA as a
general health supplement a couple of years ago, along with other supplements and vitamins. It was only later that
I learned about the hormone angle.
I wonder if my propensity to easily OD on -none has anything to do with
this.
terry0400-40
01-30-2008, 08:04 PM
I
started using DHEA as a general health supplement a couple of years ago, along with other supplements and vitamins.
It was only later that I learned about the hormone angle.
I wonder if my propensity to easily OD on -none has
anything to do with this.Ha ha as funny as it seems you may be actually
producing natural Androstenone like that of a healthy 20 year old, so probably easy to OD on a small amount of the
synthetic none.
I will have to see how my usual high applications of aNONE will work for me as i havent used much
since beginning my AQ 3G trials, and also since boosting my test levels.
So even this 2 drop Alpha 7 man could be in
for some surprises
In the last few days i have been applying 2 drops A314 and a spray of TE to my upper exposed chest
area and i have also not been interested in women and or hits as the mixes have been for purposes of interveiws with
women, and i have found that these mixes have been just right for the designed purposes, and also attracting lots of
attention from females in other situations when i could not be any less interested in anyone romantically except my
wonderful g/f. :wave:
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