View Full Version : Change your natural signature?
ManBeast
11-12-2004, 10:37 AM
Can it
be done over time? I as because in Middle School and High School, I definitely was "the nice guy." Got reactions
similar (but not as intense) as a heavy SOE day, and always was in LJBF land. Continued on into college. Now that
I've altered my phsique and even approach to things, is it possible that I naturally have a more `none heavy
signature than before? I can understand phermone production going down as one ages and hormone levels decrease, but
is this increase possible?
I guess the short is, can changing behavior patterns to make oneself more alpha,
change smeone's phermone profile (over a LONG timespan)?
MB
TRock
11-12-2004, 11:22 AM
i was thinking the same thing. as
i make my process from beta to alpha i was wondering if my mone signature was changing.
DrSmellThis
11-12-2004, 11:30 AM
Certainly. The brain and body
reform themselves to choices one makes. Some is genetically determined, but not all.
phinmone
11-12-2004, 11:39 AM
so, basically as with NLP / self
talk / affirmations it is possible to change your personality, it is also able to change your personal pheromone
signature?
ANY forum members with deeper knowledge about NLP?
Pherozen
11-12-2004, 12:19 PM
I figure that since your
testosterone levels increase and decrease depending on when you've last ejaculated or worked out, that your
pheromones would be the same way. A buddy of mine went from being a little wiener kid to a giant muscular body
building firefighter. Now I'm going to assume that his pheromone signature is more alpha now, but that's just a
guess.:goodpost:
Watcher
11-12-2004, 01:07 PM
Oh yes the NLP - it can help with
phobia removal - knowledge and speeding up learning retnetion and memory and yes it can be helpful in emotional
situtations and yes i have used NLP to change my mindset from fat whimp at 18 to mid 20s and balanced, dont take
shit etc.
Pancho1188
11-12-2004, 01:13 PM
so, basically
as with NLP / self talk / affirmations it is possible to change your personality, it is also able to change your
personal pheromone signature?
ANY forum members with deeper knowledge about NLP?
The brain (i.e.
Psychology) is a wonderful and mysterious thing. People with Multiple Personality Disorder can do anything from
have different levels of vision impairment (20/20 vs. someone who needs thick glasses) to different voices to
different IQs. The body and the mind are not set in stone. If you start lifting weights, your signature is going
to be different...stronger and more prominent.
The following things could change your pheromone signature or
levels of that signature:
1. Diet
2. Exercise
3. Personality
4. Belief System
5. Mood
6. Sexual Arousal
Level
7. Age
I'm sure there are more, but I'm a little short on time. The thing is that all of the above
factors affect the chemical balance of your body. Testosterone levels fluctuate, what your body uses to produce the
chemicals changes, etc.
For the NLP example, your state of mind, belief system, and body positioning have a
tremendous influence on your body's chemical makeup. I'll give you an example:
You're sitting at a computer,
correct? Slouch your shoulders, put your head down, and have bad posture. How do you feel now? You're probably a
little tired compared to how you were before (or the same if that's how you were sitting a moment ago). Now, get
into a position of good posture, pull your shoulders back, take a deep breath, and keep your head up. How do you
feel now? You probably feel a little more alert. How does your body react to this chemically? Well, you're more
likely to be producing good -mones while alert, confident, and positive than when you are slouched, tired, and
negative. In addition, you just improved your attractiveness to women by doing so. Who wants to be around the guy
who's down?
Think negative thoughts and completely tear yourself down. How does your body react? It shuts
down. It puts you in a slow, depressed, unhealthy state of mind. Your body is no longer producing -mones to
attract the women you want because that's no longer your focus. You're feeling bad and your belief system put you
in a bad state of mind, which then made your body shut down healthy -mone production. In fact, your body
positioning might've changed during this process as well.
Think positive thoughts and bring yourself into a
positive mood. How does your body react? Well, you probably have better posture or at least are in a different
position than you were when you were negative. You're probably feeling better. You're now promoting healthy
bodily function, and your body is in the best state now to produce -mones and attract women because everything is in
peak condition.
Hopefully the above examples gave you a sense of how different factors change your -mone
levels and -mone production. I am sure you have a gist of how the other factors work as well (e.g. eating healthy
would give your body the tools it needs to produce the best -mones).
As my own testimonial to the above
information, I can say that I am very successful at 1 and 2 (working hard at 3 and 4, which would influence 5 and
6...7 is permanent, (un)fortunately), and I am surprised at how pleasant my sweat smells. Although over time all
sweat gets kind of funky, I notice that my fresh sweat around the main -mone-producing areas is pretty nice.
TRock
11-12-2004, 01:14 PM
so, basically as
with NLP / self talk / affirmations it is possible to change your personality, it is also able to change your
personal pheromone signature?
ANY forum members with deeper knowledge about NLP?
i don't know much
about nlp but all it really took for me was affirmations, self talk, and visualization. i picked all that up from
ross jefferies' unstoppable confidence tapes. but i also think you need to have a strong desire to be alpha for it
to work or else you'll be left wondering why it doesn't work. just like the guy that goes to the gym twice a week
and goes to mcdonalds afterwards and wonders why his body doesn't look like usher's.
Watcher
11-12-2004, 01:24 PM
pancho you have a good handle on
NLP
Trock do a google search not so much on ross jeffries but the mainstream NLP it can be more helpful and
more broadbased instead of just the element of pick up tips - suggest you do some heavy reading.
Its worth
the effort.
Mtnjim
11-12-2004, 01:30 PM
Replacing "inert" body fat with
metabolically active muscle mass may have some influence.
Watcher
11-13-2004, 02:34 AM
Lol thanks mtnjim yes that inert
body fat was an issue - now its metabolically activce muscle mass that gets put to good use and a ongoing extreme
workout to keep it that way.
jvkohl
11-13-2004, 07:22 PM
Tall. dark, and handsome is a
visual description of an olfactory profile, and all three visual descriptors indicate a lifelong association with
testosterone levels. Testosterone promotes the growth of the bones that make males taller than females; promotes the
darker skin tone-via increased production of red blood cells; and promotes the development of symmetrical features
which are judged to be most masculine/attractive by females. Females also prefer the scent of symmetrical men. How
do such preferences (e.g., for a tall, dark, and handsome man) develop? They are conditioned through associations
with the natural body odor of others who are found to be most interesting/arousing/rewarding. That's why by
wearing pheromone products that enhance your masculine (i.e., testosterone based) scent signature, you can appear to
be a more desireable male--even though your appeal is based on unconscious associations. I've detailed this in my
book. Also the link between exercise, muscle development and increased masculine pheromone production is a
given--since this link is also testosterone related. Waist to hip ratio is what's generally referred to as the
"figure" men and women find most desireable. Men prefer 0.7 in women, women prefer approx 1.0 in men (though one
report did indicate that a little higher WHR was still acceptable in men). And, did you ever wonder why tanning
became popular as a "healthy" look? Darker skin tone and the testosterone connection make sense--even for women, who
could be expected to have increased sex drive with darker skin tone.
JVK
Pherozen
11-13-2004, 07:27 PM
That's very interesting
Watcher
11-14-2004, 02:44 AM
Hello james kohl thanks for the
post there havent read you for a while.
On a side note have you seen the australian company "epitan" which
has had very successful results with inplantable meitonian slow realise pellets into the abodmen that over 12 months
has sent its test subjects from white to very brown. Basically it will do away with tanning salons and even lying
on the beach as the increase melatonin levels (africans have much higher levels hence the black skin) but the slow
realise from the pellet similar to naltrexone implants for rapid treatment of herion addicts.
It simply
naturally raises youre melatonin and therefore you get a natural tan.
Very exciting technology (im a small
shareholder and thought it might be a useful additoin slightly off topic to the discussion) how about a slow realise
androgen to raise natural testorone levels or perhaps for older men testostrone slow realise to help combat hte
aging process. ?
Pherozen
11-14-2004, 04:39 AM
Wow very interesting. Did you mean
melanin and not melatonin? I take melatonin to help me sleep. It's a naturally produced hormone for sleep.
Melanin is dark pigments.
Pancho1188
11-14-2004, 12:41 PM
Hello james
kohl thanks for the post there havent read you for a while.
On a side note have you seen the australian company
"epitan" which has had very successful results with inplantable meitonian slow realise pellets into the abodmen that
over 12 months has sent its test subjects from white to very brown. Basically it will do away with tanning salons
and even lying on the beach as the increase melatonin levels (africans have much higher levels hence the black skin)
but the slow realise from the pellet similar to naltrexone implants for rapid treatment of herion addicts.
It
simply naturally raises youre melatonin and therefore you get a natural tan.
Very exciting technology (im a
small shareholder and thought it might be a useful additoin slightly off topic to the discussion) how about a slow
realise androgen to raise natural testorone levels or perhaps for older men testostrone slow realise to help combat
hte aging process. ?
Yeah, they supposedly have a "Barbie Pill" coming out soon, too...it's supposedly a
weight-loss/tanning/---what was the third thing...I can't remember...I think I wrote about this on the forum
before---pill that'll probably be the most popular vanity product ever invented...
SweetBrenda
11-14-2004, 12:46 PM
Yeah, they
supposedly have a "Barbie Pill" coming out soon, too...it's supposedly a weight-loss/tanning/---what was the third
thing...I can't remember...I think I wrote about this on the forum before---pill that'll
probably be the most popular vanity product ever invented...:blink: Say what Panchito? I'm pretty
dissapointed in you.. You have one of the best memories ever!
BTW What ya' doing at work on a Sunday afternoon my
darling?:think:
hugs
SB
Silver
11-14-2004, 01:00 PM
And, did you ever
wonder why tanning became popular as a "healthy" look? Darker skin tone and the testosterone connection make
sense--even for women, who could be expected to have increased sex drive with darker skin tone.
Hmm...interesting thought. Whereas I had always thought that a preference for skin color is mostly culturally
based, depending on what your particular culture thought was desirable in terms of activity. For example, east
asian countries very strongly believe that whiter skin is the most beautiful. Now, I know for a fact that this
comes from a socio-economic preference: if you were paler, it meant that you didn't need to work out in the fields
and so forth. Paleness was a sign of social stature, and thus beauty. It was most prevelant in the imperial age,
but this line of thought has only been strengthened through generations since the cultural ideals haven't changed.
Your average run-of-the-mill facial in China in a cheap salon, for example, will include a skin-bleaching session.
Whereas, in the U.S., a tanned look is prefered because it is healthy, it means that this person goes out often
and is active. Sexual activity and freedom might be a factor as well, but I think the cultural view of the ideal
lifestyle is the determining factor when it comes to most desirable skin color.
~Silver
belgareth
11-14-2004, 01:02 PM
Epitan is doing some really
interesting stuff. Sometime either late this year or early next they were planning on starting trials in the US. If
you want to know more about it, go here:
http://www.epitan.com.au/IRM/content/default.htm
You can sign up to be part of the tests too.
SweetBrenda
11-14-2004, 01:03 PM
Epitan is
doing some really interesting stuff. Sometime either late this year or early next they were planning on starting
trials in the US. If you want to know more about it, go here:
http://www.epitan.com.au/IRM/content/default.htm
You can sign up to be part of the tests too.Hey Bel,
Thanks for the link I'm going to go check it out.
belgareth
11-14-2004, 01:09 PM
The primary goal is to provide
a product for high sun damage/skin cancer risk people to help protect them from sun damage. Since it is an implant
it will be something your doctor will have to prescribe and place.
Pancho1188
11-14-2004, 01:25 PM
:blink: Say
what Panchito? I'm pretty dissapointed in you.. You have one of the best memories ever!
BTW What ya' doing at
work on a Sunday afternoon my darling?:think:
hugs
SB
I think the third one was a contraceptive, but I
can't 100% recall...maybe it was just skin-revitalization or something...grrr...I searched the forum and didn't
find a post from me mentioning it... :think:
jvkohl
11-14-2004, 07:23 PM
... I had always
thought that a preference for skin color is mostly culturally based, depending on what your particular culture
thought was desirable in terms of activity...
... in the U.S., a tanned look is prefered because it is
healthy, it means that this person goes out often and is active. Sexual activity and freedom might be a factor as
well, but I think the cultural view of the ideal lifestyle is the determining factor when it comes to most desirable
skin color.
~Silver
Lionesses prefer males with darker manes; a sign of higher testosterone.
One might argue that this is a cultural thing with the lionesses, but the argument wouldn't get too far with a
biologist. There are far too many examples from the animal kingdom that link testosterone and visual (and even
auditory-in bird song) preferences. I'm not saying that culture plays no role, it's just that in all animals
biology (not culture) is the driving force. So, how would culture come to dominate human sexual preferences?
Besides, tanning is a self-destructive behavior when it comes to visual appeal in later years. Most humans are smart
enough to realize this, but continue to operate on a simple minded risk/reward ratio that promotes attraction now,
while risking the future as a prune.
JVK
TRock
11-14-2004, 07:34 PM
i go tanning, i have darker skin
to begin with. from what i understand if you're blond hair blue eyed, you're more likely to be screwed over than
naturally dark skinned people.
jvkohl
11-14-2004, 07:48 PM
if you're blond hair
blue eyed, you're more likely to be screwed over than naturally dark skinned people.
Men are more
likely to prefer blond/blue eyed women because along with the genetics of hair/eye color come a scent association
that is more characteristically female. But it's not just about hair/eye color; it's also about hair length--since
long hair traps more scent. How many men prefer women with short hair to women with long hair? Even a raven haired
Asian can rely on the link to a naturally more feminine scent to attract men, since Asians produce less natural body
odor. Why were men with long hair considered effiminate (by other men) when first the hippies started letting it all
hang out. Again, people think about the visual connection, while forgetting that the odor associations rule in all
other mammals--and nearly all species, in general.
JVK
Silver
11-14-2004, 08:07 PM
I'm not saying
that culture plays no role, it's just that in all animals biology (not culture) is the driving force. So, how would
culture come to dominate human sexual preferences?
Then how do you explain the marked preference for
paler skinned individuals in Asian countries? Or monarchial europe? The queenly paleness that characterized the
upper class was by far the preferred skin tone of England in the past, for example.
Consider the change in
American sexual preference alone throughout the course of history. Decades ago, the ideal woman was the size 8
marilyn monroe. And while not everyone has an affinity for the stick-thin models that prance around the nearest
television screen, our collective ideal has changed quite a lot. Perhaps it's not a size 0, but a size 4 at least,
and most would consider a size 8 to be a bit approaching pudgy. How can this change be anything but cultural?
I
think its safe to say that, while humans do rely a lot on biological imperative when it comes to sexual preference,
we are much more affected than other animals by culture. The degree is arguable...perhaps culture does not dominate
biology, but it is at least just as important.
~Silver
TRock
11-14-2004, 08:13 PM
Men are more likely
to prefer blond/blue eyed women because along with the genetics of hair/eye color come a scent association that is
more characteristically female. But it's not just about hair/eye color; it's also about hair length--since long
hair traps more scent. How many men prefer women with short hair to women with long hair? Even a raven haired Asian
can rely on the link to a naturally more feminine scent to attract men, since Asians produce less natural body odor.
Why were men with long hair considered effiminate (by other men) when first the hippies started letting it all hang
out. Again, people think about the visual connection, while forgetting that the odor associations rule in all other
mammals--and nearly all species, in general.
JVK
(http://)
i meant the whole tanning is bad for you
thing.
Holmes
11-14-2004, 08:14 PM
i meant the whole
tanning is bad for you thing.
So are piercings.
Then how do you explain
the marked preference for paler skinned individuals in Asian countries? Or monarchial europe? The queenly paleness
that characterized the upper class was by far the preferred skin tone of England in the past, for example.
Consider the change in American sexual preference alone throughout the course of history. Decades ago, the
ideal woman was the size 8 marilyn monroe. And while not everyone has an affinity for the stick-thin models that
prance around the nearest television screen, our collective ideal has changed quite a lot. Perhaps it's not a size
0, but a size 4 at least, and most would consider a size 8 to be a bit approaching pudgy. How can this change be
anything but cultural?
I think its safe to say that, while humans do rely a lot on biological imperative
when it comes to sexual preference, we are much more affected than other animals by culture. The degree is
arguable...perhaps culture does not dominate biology, but it is at least just as important.
~Silver
I don't think he's arguing against culture shaping what we find attractive. He's more
so touching upon what humans find attractive at our biological "default settings."
Men are more likely to
prefer blond/blue eyed women because along with the genetics of hair/eye color come a scent association that is more
characteristically female. But it's not just about hair/eye color; it's also about hair length--since long hair
traps more scent. How many men prefer women with short hair to women with long hair? Even a raven haired Asian can
rely on the link to a naturally more feminine scent to attract men, since Asians produce less natural body odor. Why
were men with long hair considered effiminate (by other men) when first the hippies started letting it all hang out.
Again, people think about the visual connection, while forgetting that the odor associations rule in all other
mammals--and nearly all species, in general.
JVK
Blond hair
does contrast against the skin differently than dark hair, showing ones skin flaws more easily (dark spots against
light background) and enabling one to notice clear skin more easily (no distracting dark background). Clear skin
signals youth and health which is generally a sign of reproductiveness in females.
Look at a blond and a
brunette, and it seems as if the blond's skin stands out more.
jvkohl
11-14-2004, 09:29 PM
I don't think he's
arguing against culture shaping what we find attractive. He's more so touching upon what humans find attractive at
our biological "default settings."
That's correct! Culture may shape preferences, but the underlying
process that allows for sex differences in preferences is biological. Also, most people give way too much credit for
cultural influences when, in reality, they just don't understand the biological basis of cultural change. Take odor
adaptation, for example. Even a biologically stimulating odor will, over time, become less stimulating. So, the
odor focus changes. For example, most people assume that exposing a large portion of the female breast--common
during some cultural periods--became less common due to something culturally based. Few people would ever think that
men became so accustomed to the increased pheromonal stimuli coming from the exposed breasts, that they adapted to
the stimulus. And few women would ever think that the change from breast exposure to leg exposure was anthing other
than cultural, when it was more likely because there was a biological need to keep men's interest, and men were
becoming less pheromonally stimulated/interested in breasts. So, change the focus to the
legs/crothch/butt/midriff--whatever it takes to keep men interested. But it takes something different every few
years because men adapt to the odor of women's body parts over a period of a few years. Then, along comes someone
like Bo Derek--tanned blond on the beach--who helps establish a new cultural ideal (like the pale queen), and all of
a sudden tanned blonds are preferred. So, then we see more tanned blonds; adapt to them/their odor, and another
change must occur. Meanwhile, the women continue to prefer exactly the same tall/dark/handsome (testosterone
charged) males that they always have preferred--because their biological imperative dictates choice for reproductive
fitness (i.e., a masculine scent signature). Who cares if he has long hair--if he's muscular? A man's biological
imperative dictates that once he has adapted to a woman's (or all women's) scent signature--it will take something
new to again arouse further his sexual interest. Women thrive on their interest in testosterone charged reproductive
fitness. I shouldn't need to say much more about biology versus culture. Most people have enough common sense to
realize that culture doesn't compare well, when it comes to sexual motivation. After all, culture dictates that we
should all be heterosexual. Biologically based predisposition and social environmental odor conditioning allow for a
gamut of sexual preferences--many of which are not culturally acceptable. Do the sexual preferences change--or does
the culture change to accept the variety sexual preferences--where's a Puritan when you need one? Does culture
change our food preferences, or is it the chemical appeal of different foods that allows for developmental changes.
How many of you liked the taste of coffee or beer when you were 6-10 years old? What changed over the next 4-8
years? Your olfactory system--and with it, your taste preferences, which are largely determined by odor. Why don't
more people "get" this? Maybe I should write another book as part of an ongoing series: Odor associations for
dummies. The books became popular for their common sense approach to teaching. Odor associations are common sense to
many. Cultural associations--at least from a biological perspective--make no sense at all without the odor
associations. Perfumed/powdered wigs, anyone? Give me a redhead, any day.
Culture and biology equally important?
Not a chance. My preference for redheads is due to a different pheromone/scent signature and very rewarding sexual
experiences as a result of the difference. I haven't adapted, thankfully, since there are so few true redheads out
there.
JVK
ismellgood
11-15-2004, 06:05 AM
I have always found tanning
very unattractive, both for me and women of potential interest.
And the optimal male waist-to-hip ratio is
less than 1 (usually circa 0.9 in studies of women rating male attractiveness). For health reasons (which
attractiveness should signal), lower than 1 is also better.
Lagrimas
11-16-2004, 08:42 PM
Does this mean if I increased
my testosterone by working out a lot (I haven't worked out in a couple of months now) or some other means that my
skin could get darker?
Tall. dark, and handsome is a visual description of an olfactory
profile, and all three visual descriptors indicate a lifelong association with testosterone levels. Testosterone
promotes the growth of the bones that make males taller than females; promotes the darker skin tone-via increased
production of red blood cells; and promotes the development of symmetrical features which are judged to be most
masculine/attractive by females. Females also prefer the scent of symmetrical men. How do such preferences (e.g.,
for a tall, dark, and handsome man) develop? They are conditioned through associations with the natural body odor of
others who are found to be most interesting/arousing/rewarding. That's why by wearing pheromone products that
enhance your masculine (i.e., testosterone based) scent signature, you can appear to be a more desireable male--even
though your appeal is based on unconscious associations. I've detailed this in my book. Also the link between
exercise, muscle development and increased masculine pheromone production is a given--since this link is also
testosterone related. Waist to hip ratio is what's generally referred to as the "figure" men and women find most
desireable. Men prefer 0.7 in women, women prefer approx 1.0 in men (though one report did indicate that a little
higher WHR was still acceptable in men). And, did you ever wonder why tanning became popular as a "healthy" look?
Darker skin tone and the testosterone connection make sense--even for women, who could be expected to have increased
sex drive with darker skin tone.
JVK
(http:///)
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