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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that

    is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing

    field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No

    matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept

    and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in

    the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically

    some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual

    abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all

    of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it

    usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

    protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

    Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

    is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

    normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

    are proud to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

    than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

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    I own guns,

    and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

    Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also

    didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

    weapons permit.

    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

    to people who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

    firing range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical

    smallarms safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

    targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

    something.

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    Agreed! Emphatically

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    And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of

    doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,

    he probably isn\'t.

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    I feel exactly the same way. My \'Home

    defense clip\' is loaded with Talons. If some idiot forces me to shoot him, I want him to stay shot. I have no

    problem at all cleaning up somebody else\'s blood.

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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that

    is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing

    field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No

    matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept

    and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in

    the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically

    some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual

    abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all

    of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it

    usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

    protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

    Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

    is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

    normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

    are proud to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

    than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

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    I own guns,

    and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

    Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also

    didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

    weapons permit.

    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

    to people who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

    firing range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical

    smallarms safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

    targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

    something.

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    Agreed! Emphatically

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    And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of

    doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,

    he probably isn\'t.

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    Kari,

    I don\'t hunt so don\'t own

    any rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol.

    As soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship.

    Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun

    safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is

    no novelty for them.


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    Why do people

    even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun

    hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are

    with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your

    house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is

    probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just

    EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,

    and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because

    their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.

    So watch out

    for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from

    themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a

    concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in

    punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,

    responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud

    to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are

    even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I own guns, and see the

    value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home

    that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also didn\'t shoot up

    McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.



    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people

    who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing

    range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical smallarms

    safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.

    I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.



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    Agreed! Emphatically

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    And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of

    doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,

    he probably isn\'t.

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    Kari,

    I don\'t hunt so don\'t own

    any rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol.

    As soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship.

    Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun

    safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is

    no novelty for them.



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    Yep. That was my upbringing, too.

    Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon as I was old enough to lift a gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.

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    Kari,

    I don\'t hunt so don\'t own any

    rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol. As

    soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship.

    Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun

    safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is

    no novelty for them.



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    Yep. That was my upbringing, too.

    Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon as I was old enough to lift a gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.

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    That\'s the difference between responsible gun ownership and these macho

    morons who think they are toys. While it is not a secret, most people don\'t even realize I own guns.

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    Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their

    actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I

    still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve

    life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is

    usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and

    was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not

    do harm?

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    They can and do, but there are sociopath\'s(sp?) at

    all ages.

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    I think people are watching too much \"Children

    are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus on children

    has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.

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    We are so

    afraid of \"abusing\" our children that they are running the show. The authority of the parent or teacher is so

    watered down that if a kid wants to go bad who can stop them?

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    You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse,

    and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are

    unable to make it on their own, and you are the only one who can save one of them. Who do you save?

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    Spouse

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    Yes I know

    Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will

    the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger

    who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.

    Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    If the dog can

    learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?

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    They can and do, but there are sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.

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    Unfortunately, that\'s true. The real issue here is identifying and

    helping them. Many mental conditions respond well to drug therapy and new ones are being developed to help many

    more. Prevention is key to the problem, schools and parents both have got to be involved to make it work. Now many

    parents refuse to admit a problem exists and the schools are powerless in most cases.

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    Why do people

    even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun

    hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are

    with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your

    house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is

    probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just

    EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,

    and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because

    their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.

    So watch out

    for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from

    themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a

    concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in

    punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,

    responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud

    to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are

    even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I own guns, and see the

    value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home

    that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also didn\'t shoot up

    McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.



    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people

    who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing

    range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical smallarms

    safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.

    I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.



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    If this were true and you could kill someone attacking you, then I

    think violent crime in America would drop dramatically.

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    I think people are watching too much \"Children are miracles and our

    future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus on children has gone a bit too far

    to a point of oversatuation.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    We are so afraid of \"abusing\"

    our children that they are running the show. The authority of the parent or teacher is so watered down that if a

    kid wants to go bad who can stop them?

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    It\'s really sad when

    you can be charged with abuse for discipling your kid but it happens all to frequently. And as bad is when the

    schools enforce the rules only to have the parents take it to court. What does that teach the kids?

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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like

    to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind

    of evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a

    bit overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk

    that you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents

    until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than

    other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to

    violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can

    be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large

    percentage of it usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

    protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

    Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

    is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

    normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

    are proud to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

    than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I own guns,

    and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

    Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also

    didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

    weapons permit.

    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

    to people who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

    firing range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical

    smallarms safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

    targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

    something.

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    If this were true and you could kill someone attacking

    you, then I think violent crime in America would drop dramatically.

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    Is there some reason you can\'t?

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    Kari,

    I don\'t hunt so don\'t own any rifles only handguns. I have

    three daughters. They can all cut out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol. As soon as they were old and

    strong enough to safely handle a gun they started learning gun safety and marksmanship. Like so many other things,

    training and familiarity removed most of the risk of having them around the house. Gun safety is practiced here more

    from years of habit than from any enforced rules. I have few worries because there is no novelty for them.





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    Yep. That was my upbringing, too. Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon

    as I was old enough to lift a gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    That\'s the difference between responsible gun ownership and these macho morons who think

    they are toys. While it is not a secret, most people don\'t even realize I own guns.

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    I am opening a fifth of Vodka because I agree with Bel and Kari.....

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    Kari,

    I don\'t hunt so don\'t own any rifles only handguns. I have three daughters. They can all cut

    out the bulls-eye at 9 meters with a 22LR pistol. As soon as they were old and strong enough to safely handle a gun

    they started learning gun safety and marksmanship. Like so many other things, training and familiarity removed most

    of the risk of having them around the house. Gun safety is practiced here more from years of habit than from any

    enforced rules. I have few worries because there is no novelty for them.



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    Yep. That was my upbringing, too. Taught to shoot SAFELY as soon as I was old enough to lift a

    gun. No accidents in that house. Ever.

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    That\'s the difference

    between responsible gun ownership and these macho morons who think they are toys. While it is not a secret, most

    people don\'t even realize I own guns.

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    I am opening a fifth of

    Vodka because I agree with Bel and Kari..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Leave it in the freezer for a couple hours then chase it with cold water.

    You\'ll never feel it go down. Hell of a way to get really plastered.

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    Yes I know

    Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will

    the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger

    who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.

    Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    If the dog can

    learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?

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    They can and do, but there are sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.

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    TOO true. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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    Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and

    are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in

    America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say

    like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids

    are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and

    yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child

    learn that s/he may not do harm?

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    They can and do, but there are

    sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.

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    Unfortunately, that\'s true.

    The real issue here is identifying and helping them. Many mental conditions respond well to drug therapy and new

    ones are being developed to help many more. Prevention is key to the problem, schools and parents both have got to

    be involved to make it work. Now many parents refuse to admit a problem exists and the schools are powerless in most

    cases.

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    ... which is unfortunate, because incipient sociopathy is

    fairly easy to indetify, early on.

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    The problem with all these gun laws is that criminals don\'t abide by them.

    And the problem with kids today

    may stem from an unhealthy diet, lack of vigorous exercise, and ofcourse the lack of discipline and parenting in

    general in so many American households.

    So let\'s get mom off the valium. Dad off the scotch. Kids off the

    couch. Stop with the freakin happy meals, and eliminate the pounds, and pounds, and pounds of SUGAR that these kids

    eat in a year.

    And then if your kid is still a troublemaker. Ship him off to military school.

    I know it

    sounds simplistic. But maybe we need a little more simplicity in our overly complicated lives.

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    Exit,

    You are really starting to worry me. Other than the military school, I couldn\'t agree more. Although

    the idea of every person being required to do some form of service, military or civil, for about 18 months after

    they finish school has a lot of merit.

    People who don\'t want to put in the effort to raise kids need to either

    practice birth control or keep their friggin pants on. There\'s a lot of time and effort that goes into raising

    civilized human beings.

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    The problem with all these gun laws is that

    criminals don\'t abide by them.



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    Yup, we have plenty of laws.

    What we need to do is enforce them. Spend the time and effort to catch and punish criminals to the degree that it

    makes a lasting impression. I personally have no problem at all with chain gangs out cleaning the streets, in the

    desert, in August!

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    Exit,

    You are really starting to worry me. Other

    than the military school, I couldn\'t agree more. Although the idea of every person being required to do some form

    of service, military or civil, for about 18 months after they finish school has a lot of merit.

    People who

    don\'t want to put in the effort to raise kids need to either practice birth control or keep their friggin pants

    on. There\'s a lot of time and effort that goes into raising civilized human beings.

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    Agreed. There was local case of an unhandleable child. The school tried

    to get the parents involved. The parents said,\" We\'re stuck with them three months out of the year. The rest of

    the year they\'re the school\'s problem.\"

    Um.... why did you have kids?

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    Well the thing with the military schools is that they provide a much needed discipline. Although it\'s not right

    to ship your kids off and wash your hands of them.

    How about a couple of hundred military style semi-boarding

    public high schools. Maybe the kids can come home on weekends. And when they reach a certain age they can be sent

    to a real army boot camp. These schools can target inner-city kids who don\'t exactly have nuclear families.



    My point is that without proper discipline and education these kids are screwed. Especially in todays economy.


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    Well the thing with the military schools is that

    they provide a much needed discipline. Although it\'s not right to ship your kids off and wash your hands of

    them.

    How about a couple of hundred military style semi-boarding public high schools. Maybe the kids can come

    home on weekends. And when they reach a certain age they can be sent to a real army boot camp. These schools can

    target inner-city kids who don\'t exactly have nuclear families.

    My point is that without proper discipline

    and education these kids are screwed. Especially in todays economy.

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    So, will these schools have the authority to enforce discipline? Without being sued twice a

    week for making kids behave? You\'ll get no argument about the need for discipline with kids. The biggest problem

    is starting so late. Kids need it as soon as they can comprehend it and that is very young. By doing it then, less

    is needed later.

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    Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and

    are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in

    America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say

    like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids

    are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and

    yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    <hr

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    If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child

    learn that s/he may not do harm?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    They can and do, but there are

    sociopath\'s(sp?) at all ages.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    TOO true.

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    Frozen Vodka is

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