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    Most people who own guns generally distrust the

    government....I just don\'t see as living in America the great need of protecting your family especially those who

    live in suburbs.

    I do not know what you have been through, have you ever been attacked by someone, or at a point

    where you needed a gun for self defense....I also think people like the power of having a gun, they get off to it,

    and they love shooting it like blowing a load, and there is no way to ever know if everyone who has a gain is a

    responsible up standing member of society. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    You go in for the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back

    that up?

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    Bel.....I happen to have owned a bee bee gun...It was C02 powered....So I happen to be pretty bad ass too.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    I don\'t care much about guns, I haven\'t been shot in

    the balls yet, so I am happy, excuse my \"debate\" it was me just drveling and partially talking to

    myself.

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    Don\'t turn around on them

    Dr.smellthis they may grab a pencil and create a bunch of lead holes in your back, then duct tape your mouth shut

    and throw you into a bathtub where they pour soap all over you.....


    Do you see the danger?

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    Been there,

    done that.

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    Don\'t turn around on them Dr.smellthis they may

    grab a pencil and create a bunch of lead holes in your back, then duct tape your mouth shut and throw you into a

    bathtub where they pour soap all over you.....

    Do you see the danger?

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    LMAO

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    Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain

    diseased to where parents can\'t make everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems)



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    Well that is my point. We consider serial killers evil, and

    they have frontal cortex problems....and a whole laundry list of other things....By evil I did not mean soul, but

    brain which is our temporary soul...So if a kid lacks any sort of remorse (unable to register the emotion) for

    example and enjoys pulling out his little brothers hair, and choking cats, then I consider him \"evil\".

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    OK, I get where you\'re coming from. The difference is you treat brain damaged, and see at as another

    yourself, but give up on evil, and see it as separate.

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    OK, I get where you\'re coming from. The

    difference is you treat brain damaged, and see at as another yourself, but give up on evil, and see it as separate.



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    Is treating brain damage possible? I know no matter what a child

    molestor says, I wouldn\'t trust him or take him on his word, same goes for many mental dysfuntions.

    I am

    giving up on Evil, I just miss the children of the corn is all. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


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    Today\'s love-scent topics? Guns and evil kids.

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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that

    is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing

    field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No

    matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept

    and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in

    the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically

    some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual

    abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all

    of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it

    usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain diseased to where parents

    can\'t make everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems). I\'ve never seen anything

    approaching an \"evil kid\" as a child psychologist, and I\'ve worked with tons of \"very bad\" ones over the

    years. The ones that looked the worst often ended up being my favorites to work with.

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    I don\'t want to get into semantics (I\'ve always wanted to say that

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]), but if children can\'t be evil, then by definition adults

    have a hell of a time being evil as well. If you think about it, adults are only a product of growing up as

    children. Adults are held accountable because they supposedly understand or should understand the consequences of

    their actions as well as the moral fibers that hold together society while children do not have the cognitive

    capacity to see past their own existence or the near future due to the stages of cognitive development. However, if

    a \"damaged\" child is not evil because he doesn\'t understand the above concepts, then if he grows older and

    still has not been taught such moral ideas (the value of human life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness), how can he

    be considered evil now when he\'s never been led in the \"right direction\"? The only way a person could be

    \'evil\' is if they grew up as a normal, law-abiding child and somehow as an adult understood right and wrong,

    believed in the rules, and committed violent, destructive acts despite all of this.

    Or they\'re all just really

    messed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    I\'m just giving you a hard time, don\'t listen

    to me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]



    Seriously, though, that being a hole in the world of

    logic, it\'s a moral dilemma when you can call a grown person \'evil\' when they might just be a product of

    witnessing evil their whole lives to the point that that\'s all they know. It\'s sad when you think about it

    because I could be a mean, hurtful, cold-blooded killer as an adult if that\'s all I knew as a child...and that

    would make me an evil human being.

    Ouch...philosophical overload...must go lie down...

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    Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids,

    or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or

    even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.

    Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"

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    I think people are watching too much \"Children are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap.

    Sure they are, but this total focus on children has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.

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    You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse, and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only

    have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are unable to make it on their own, and you are the only

    one who can save one of them. Who do you save?

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    You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse,

    and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are unable

    to make it on their own, and you are the only one who can save one of them. Who do you save?




    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> pancho, that reminds me of the announcements some cabin crews came up with to

    get the passengers attention at during the safety routine. Part of it was something like (in case of emergency) `If

    you have a child with you, do this and that and if you have more than one child with you on board decide which one

    you like better and keep in mind that the older one tends to move out first´

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    I think people are watching too much

    \"Children are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus

    on children has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.

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    What TV shows do you watch, Tallmacky?

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    What TV shows do you watch, Tallmacky?

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    Ummm well my favorite show is \"Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)\"

    The guy thinks just the way I do...rarely have I disagreed with anything he has said....ahhh a mentor and he is

    Godlike! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Someone here also got me addicted to Scrubs which is

    perfection...[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Discovery channel, I can even stomach Bill

    O\'reilly who has a few good points.....and Hookers on the point. Shows the pimp and hoe relationship....good for

    laughs...\"Where my money?\"

    What do you watch Dr.? Have you ever watched scramble softcore porn on cable?

    Could time to work out the natural smegma as lube! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You must be a

    Discovery Channel fan too eh?

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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to

    hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of

    evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit

    overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that

    you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents

    until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than

    other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to

    violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can

    be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large

    percentage of it usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    It\'s true that some kids are evil. I once had, on my caseload, a 13

    year old serial rapist. Sociopathic Personality Disorder-- no ability to empathize, whatever. Thought to be innate.



    However, adults still need to keep the guns and ammo locked up.

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    Why do people

    even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun

    hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are

    with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your

    house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is

    probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just

    EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,

    and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because

    their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.

    So watch out

    for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain diseased to where parents can\'t make

    everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems). I\'ve never seen anything approaching an

    \"evil kid\" as a child psychologist, and I\'ve worked with tons of \"very bad\" ones over the years. The ones

    that looked the worst often ended up being my favorites to work with.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    I don\'t want to get into semantics (I\'ve always wanted to say that

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]), but if children can\'t be evil, then by definition adults

    have a hell of a time being evil as well. If you think about it, adults are only a product of growing up as

    children. Adults are held accountable because they supposedly understand or should understand the consequences of

    their actions as well as the moral fibers that hold together society while children do not have the cognitive

    capacity to see past their own existence or the near future due to the stages of cognitive development. However, if

    a \"damaged\" child is not evil because he doesn\'t understand the above concepts, then if he grows older and

    still has not been taught such moral ideas (the value of human life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness), how can he

    be considered evil now when he\'s never been led in the \"right direction\"? The only way a person could be

    \'evil\' is if they grew up as a normal, law-abiding child and somehow as an adult understood right and wrong,

    believed in the rules, and committed violent, destructive acts despite all of this.

    Or they\'re all just really

    messed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    I\'m just giving you a hard time, don\'t listen

    to me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]



    Seriously, though, that being a hole in the world of

    logic, it\'s a moral dilemma when you can call a grown person \'evil\' when they might just be a product of

    witnessing evil their whole lives to the point that that\'s all they know. It\'s sad when you think about it

    because I could be a mean, hurtful, cold-blooded killer as an adult if that\'s all I knew as a child...and that

    would make me an evil human being.

    Ouch...philosophical overload...must go lie down...

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    There are

    also bad people that have never been abused, and good people who have been abused badly. It\'s a mystery.

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    Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are

    well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America

    is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like

    murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are

    babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes

    he is evil and was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not

    do harm?

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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that

    is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing

    field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No

    matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept

    and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in

    the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically

    some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual

    abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all

    of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it

    usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

    protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

    Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

    is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

    normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

    are proud to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

    than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

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    I own guns,

    and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

    Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also

    didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

    weapons permit.

    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

    to people who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

    firing range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical

    smallarms safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

    targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

    something.

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    Most people who own guns generally distrust the government....I just don\'t

    see as living in America the great need of protecting your family especially those who live in suburbs.

    I do not

    know what you have been through, have you ever been attacked by someone, or at a point where you needed a gun for

    self defense....I also think people like the power of having a gun, they get off to it, and they love shooting it

    like blowing a load, and there is no way to ever know if everyone who has a gain is a responsible up standing member

    of society. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    You go in for the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back that up?

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    Well, gun control is said to be tightest in WDC-- which is also one of the

    highest areas for violent crime.

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    Bel.....I happen to have owned a bee bee gun...It

    was C02 powered....So I happen to be pretty bad ass too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    I

    don\'t care much about guns, I haven\'t been shot in the balls yet, so I am happy, excuse my \"debate\" it was

    me just drveling and partially talking to myself.

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    ROFL!

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    This is quiete insane. At that age we had pocket

    knives maybe but we knew better than to attack others with them even when I was mega pissed off with someone I´d

    have never dreamed of doing that [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
    Parents who give their kids

    easy access to weapons and don´t manage to teach their kids right from wrong shouldn´t be allowed to own weapons

    fullstop. And those kids need a good verbal blasting to get some decency drilled into their young sad minds.



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    What she said.

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    There\'s virtually always a lot going on

    with the parents, and siblings, when kids do that. I agree that the parents should be held responsible.

    Guns are

    hard to keep safe in homes with children. Kids find keys, or someone forgets to lock something. If you have

    seriously emotionally disturbed kids, even if they\'re apparently neither suicidal nor homicidal, owning guns is

    probably just a very bad idea, even though we have a right to have them. Countless things could happen. I bet

    there were major warning signs years ago, which makes the parents doubly responsible.

    On the other hand, PET

    scans of the kid\'s brains would probably be remarkable too. Major chemical imbalances are also likely. But this

    kind of disturbance doesn\'t just appear suddenly some morning.

    Everybody needs a ton of therapy (with

    somebody good, like me [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) and/or psychiatric treatment. Child

    Protective Services need to be heavily involved in home as well.

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    What he said.

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    Why do people

    even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun

    hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are

    with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your

    house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is

    probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just

    EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,

    and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because

    their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.

    So watch out

    for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from

    themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a

    concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in

    punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,

    responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud

    to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are

    even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I own guns, and see the

    value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home

    that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also didn\'t shoot up

    McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.



    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people

    who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing

    range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical smallarms

    safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.

    I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.



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    Agreed! Emphatically

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    Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their

    actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I

    still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve

    life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is

    usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and

    was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not

    do harm?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    That\'s in part because parents are so concerned with

    being friends with their kids that they cannot be parents. When a dog bites or gets too aggressive, you let it

    know-FIRMLY! When a kid bites or gets too aggressive you hear \"Oh, &lt;Insert name here&gt; be nice now.\" No

    discipline or consequenses for their actions. then the parents can\'t figure out why they are intolerable

    monsters. It\'s a way of showing your kids you love them. Set bounderies and help them learn to be a part of

    society.

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    Most people

    who own guns generally distrust the government....I just don\'t see as living in America the great need of

    protecting your family especially those who live in suburbs.

    I do not know what you have been through, have you

    ever been attacked by someone, or at a point where you needed a gun for self defense....I also think people like the

    power of having a gun, they get off to it, and they love shooting it like blowing a load, and there is no way to

    ever know if everyone who has a gain is a responsible up standing member of society.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    You go in for

    the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back that up?

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    Well, gun control is said to be tightest in WDC-- which is also one of the highest areas for

    violent crime.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Gee, what a surprise.

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    Anyone watch \"Bowling for Columbine\"?

    I couldn\'t believe that you get shooter for OPENING AN

    ACCOUNT IN A BANK!! First comment after receiving it:

    \"Don\'t you think it\'s a little dangerous, handing

    out guns in a bank??\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Anyway, I found it quite interesting

    (and the cartoon-part is even funny to some extent!)...

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    Yes I know

    Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will

    the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger

    who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.

    Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    If the dog can

    learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    That\'s in part because parents are so concerned with being friends with

    their kids that they cannot be parents. When a dog bites or gets too aggressive, you let it know-FIRMLY! When a kid

    bites or gets too aggressive you hear \"Oh, &lt;Insert name here&gt; be nice now.\" No discipline or consequenses

    for their actions. then the parents can\'t figure out why they are intolerable monsters. It\'s a way of showing

    your kids you love them. Set bounderies and help them learn to be a part of society.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    What he said.

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    />
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    Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like

    to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind

    of evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a

    bit overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk

    that you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.

    Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents

    until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than

    other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to

    violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can

    be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large

    percentage of it usually.

    So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

    protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

    Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

    is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

    normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

    are proud to have.

    Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

    than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I own guns,

    and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

    Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

    People also

    didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

    weapons permit.

    Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

    to people who:
    1) Have no criminal record,
    2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

    firing range,
    3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
    4) Have passed written and practical

    smallarms safety tests.

    BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

    targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

    something.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Agreed! Emphatically

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of

    doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,

    he probably isn\'t.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Anyone watch \"Bowling for Columbine\"?

    I

    couldn\'t believe that you get shooter for OPENING AN ACCOUNT IN A BANK!! First comment after receiving

    it:

    \"Don\'t you think it\'s a little dangerous, handing out guns in a bank??\"

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Anyway, I found it quite interesting (and the cartoon-part is

    even funny to some extent!)...

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Loved Bowling for

    Columbine!

    BTW-- A bank robber in West L.A. was apprehended after he left his gun behind. He called the bank,

    later, and asked whether he could come by and pick it up.

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