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    Got my shipment of

    Pheros today and have to applaud Bruce for again providing great service.

    Thought that this new

    thread would be a good place for Pheros buyers to post their impressions.

    First impressions: Nothing less than

    amazing. I've been smelling it on my wrist for over 3 hours now and every time its different. There's a

    consistent musk note after the opening of fresh woods and spice, but not at all overpowering, and lots of other

    things come through over time. Complex!

    To be completely honest, the first 30-60 seconds after application there

    was some subtle note I didn't like and thought, Oh No! Nothing strong, but a scent that didn't seem to fit. It

    died very quickly, and its not uncommon for me to not like a fragrance fresh on my skin. Even EOs.

    As it matured

    I realized that I was experiencing a half-dozen of my favorite colognes all rolled into one, and even better because

    there was none of the brash chemical assault and subsequent shallowness. Pheros is warm from the beginning and

    keeps inviting you in.

    Very well done Dr. I now know why Pheros has the reputation it does.
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    Thanks for your detailed

    feedback, idesign. Your analysis is accurate, except for the praise, which is neither accurate nor innaccurate.



    Frankly, I agree totally about the one annoying note. I know exactly what you mean, and spent countless hours over

    months in damage control trying to subtract it out or disguise it, with only modest success. It was a batch, not a

    formula, so you're stuck with it.

    It came from a mistake in adding one ingredient -- just the slightest touch

    -- that I never should have added. It was much worse at first, trust me; and I was very depressed until progress was

    made to "heal it". It is part of the top note, so it does go away, like you said.

    Oh well, lots of good things

    have a flaw. The best I can say is that I managed to make it a minor aspect over time. Like you said.

    The fact

    that it smells different every time you smell it bucks every trend in contemporary perfuming, which tends toward

    simple "consorts" that always smell the same. The professional "Nose" who smelled it had that as his primary

    criticism. So it's kind of guerrilla perfume in that way.

    Anyway, in order to have it be the same all the

    time, you have to age every oil just the right amount of time, which means you have to be working for a multimillion

    dollar international perfume corporation with a huge budget set aside for your particular product. A small detail.



    Personally, I don't mind the kaleidoscope effect. Makes life more interesting; more organic. That's the way

    life is; and the way people are too.
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    Personally I LOVE the

    "kaleidoscope effect", and that's a great term for it. And its unpredictability always pleases.

    The funny note

    at the beginning is not that big a deal, and I hesitated to even mention it. You have to really pay attention at

    just the right time to even catch it. Its so fleeting, and in no way detracts from the experience.

    I like the

    way the scent lingers like a memory. I've noticed this with EOs too. Even after it totally leaves the skin my

    nose (or brain) registers the scent at random times. It happened this morning 2 or 3 times before I applied it for

    the day. Does this make any sense?

    Hope others will chime in. Whaddya think guys/gals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    I like

    the way the scent lingers like a memory. I've noticed this with EOs too. Even after it totally leaves the skin my

    nose (or brain) registers the scent at random times. It happened this morning 2 or 3 times before I applied it for

    the day. Does this make any sense?
    Yes. The reason you remember the smell so well is because of the analog

    pheromones, which have corresponding places in the brain and olfactory system that have evolved to process them.



    Your brain is already hard wired to process valerian root, sandalwood, almond, cumin, floral elements, benzoin,

    and the musks; to name some examples. Other scents in Pheros, like real citrus and honey, are memorable

    because they are processed like food.

    This is why people often remark that it smells "familiar", and that they

    remember vividly how it smells. The same can be said for synthetic lab pheromones, as recent research posted in this

    forum suggested.

    If your smell creates a lasting impression, hopefully you will too.

    Commercial perfumes,

    on the other hand, are made from tweaked petroleum derivatives and the like; often brand new chemicals that our

    neurological/olfactory systems are not designed to process. They are going to register as strange rather than

    familiar, and are going to be comparitively easy to forget.
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    Well, I have not tried Pheros

    before, but is it an oil base or what?

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    When did you

    order it? I preordered mine 21 Sept. and it still hasn't arrived yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    Got

    my shipment of Pheros today and have to applaud Bruce for again providing great service.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy101 View Post
    Well, I

    have not tried Pheros before, but is it an oil base or what?
    Alcohol and water.
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    Just got mine today.

    Smells great. Will try it out tonight in all likelihood at the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Your

    brain is already hard wired to process valerian root, sandalwood, almond, cumin, floral elements, benzoin, and the

    musks; to name some examples. Other scents in Pheros, like real citrus and honey, are memorable because they

    are processed like food.

    Commercial perfumes, on the other hand, are made from tweaked petroleum derivatives

    and the like; often brand new chemicals that our neurological/olfactory systems are not designed to process. They

    are going to register as strange rather than familiar, and are going to be comparitively easy to

    forget.
    Thanks Doc, this makes perfect sense.

    I've been reading that EOs have such complex molecular

    structures that many (or even most) oils have not even been broken down completely. It would seem that all

    the constituents of any natural scent would play a role in our perception, esp at subliminal levels.

    To

    isolate a particular compound for its pleasure factor would eliminate the whole, which is the most amazing part.

    There are some commercial frags that I really like, but I don't remember them until I put them on again.



    Before I hijack another thread, my own even! I will say that Pheros is more than just a great smelling scent.

    Your comment about it being more "organic" and more "like people" is just right.

    And its becoming addictive.


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    I got mine today and I'm

    in heaven! I love the complexity and the way it evolves over time on my skin.

    I've never been a fan of scents

    that had such spice notes, but this truly rocks.

    Bravo!

    Now I may need to get some concentrate for the

    future...

    -CAt

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    My bottle arrived today. I tried

    a small sample and right away it sort of reminded me of "Old Spice". It does fade into a nice pleasant scent that I

    keep sniffing, it makes me feel good. I'll be wearing it tomorrow night with a bit of Perception.

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    Try it with SoE(u), they go

    great together. I'm planning on trying mine out with AQ(u) this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgar View Post
    It does

    fade into a nice pleasant scent that I keep sniffing, it makes me feel good.
    I've had a tendency to feel

    depressed lately, and found that applying Pheros to my face like aftershave pretty much lifts my depression

    away for the rest of the day. A tiny bit under the nose seems to increase the effect. Honestly, I am suprised at how

    well it has been working for that. Even though I always knew it was good for mood and emotions, I was focused on

    other aspects of it.

    I definitely recommend people try it for mood purposes. It just occured to me all of a

    sudden that the effect was pretty remarkable for that; really a sort of radical difference; like you would expect

    from an antidepressant drug without the side effects. Like there is no way it could be your imagination.

    I'd be

    very interested to know whether others are affected in this way, to this extent.

    What was most remarkable about

    it for me was that the effect has been lasting, with no crash or come down; not a temporary spike in mood.
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    I like it. It reminds me of scents

    from the 19th and early 20th century. Those are often my favorites, and Pheros will easily join them. It's good

    to find someone still using natural oils and understanding their interactions.

    Mine is separating out a bit. I

    think there is too much water in the carrier. Perhaps a higher concentration of alcohol for the carrier would be

    better. I was considering moving it to a spray bottle but I won't because this separation requires shaking before

    use and that wouldn't mix the oils in the spray tube.
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    I have

    to admit that when I first smelled the pheros I was disappointed. It smelled rather familiar, like some scented oils

    I remembered smelling somewhere. I then put some behind the ears and on my neck and could not smell a thing on me,

    so I put on a little more. Later that day, something strange happened. I went to the grocery store and was asking

    myself "what is that smell?" (forgetting that I had the pheros on). Then it occured to me that it was the pheros on

    me. The scent smelled a little richer than it did from the bottle. It didn't seem like a very strong scent at

    first, but I could smell it on me later in the day. Maybe others can smell it on me even better?

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    Does it come in the bottle

    shown in the picture with the cork or what does it come in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingMann View Post
    Does it

    come in the bottle shown in the picture with the cork or what does it come in?
    I haven't seen the

    pictures, but mine came in a little spherical bottle of clear glass, with a screw top. No label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone View Post
    I like it.

    It reminds me of scents from the 19th and early 20th century. Those are often my favorites, and Pheros will easily

    join them. It's good to find someone still using natural oils and understanding their interactions.

    Mine is

    separating out a bit. I think there is too much water in the carrier. Perhaps a higher concentration of alcohol for

    the carrier would be better. I was considering moving it to a spray bottle but I won't because this separation

    requires shaking before use and that wouldn't mix the oils in the spray tube.
    I'm glad you appreciate an

    old school approach.

    Yep, the separating out of the ingredients is something I'd prefer not happen.

    It

    could have been prevented if I'd used just alcohol as the carrier, as you suggest. Indeed, there is no separation

    in Pheros Concentrate, for the reason that it lacks the water. However, when I tried different ratios of

    water and alcohol, and tested them on volunteers, the ones with more water turned out better.

    I concluded,

    Fernando Lamas-like, that it was better for a perfume to smell good than to look good.
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    More

    experimentation is needed, but it seems as though the pheros brings on depression with me. I was wondering if any

    A1 is in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    I definitely recommend people try it for mood purposes. It just

    occured to me all of a sudden that the effect was pretty remarkable for that; really a sort of radical difference;

    like you would expect from an antidepressant drug without the side effects.
    I'd be very interested to know

    whether others are affected in this way, to this extent.

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    Pheros, old batch, always made me

    happily sleepy. Never depressed. I hope the current Pheros is more of the same!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone View Post
    I

    haven't seen the pictures, but mine came in a little spherical bottle of clear glass, with a screw top. No

    label.
    Does it have a syringe or anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger4 View Post
    More experimentation is needed, but it seems as though the pheros

    brings on depression with me. I was wondering if any A1 is in it.
    Judging from the history of pheromone

    use discussed on the forum over the years, there are insufficient amounts of any one lab pheromone in Pheros

    for any single lab pheromone to cause a depressive reaction; like 1/100 of the level of other products.

    Wearing

    any normal androstenone product will probably result in more than that converting to A1 on your skin; and you have

    quite a lot of A1 on your skin already due to nature.

    But it's possible you could react negatively to one of

    the essential oils, like having a sensitivity.

    The stuff affects me and most others in the opposite way, as far

    as I can tell. But anything that is psychoactive, because of aromatherapy or whatever, has the potential for

    differing effects in different people, due to individual differences.

    It's possible that something other than

    Pheros is causing you to have low mood, I'm assuming.

    But it's also very possible that this "side

    effect", if it is actually somehow due to Pheros, will go away on its own; or that it could be different if

    your body conditions change in the future.

    Nevertheless, if you continue to get depressed wearing it, I'd

    sugggest discontinuing use, and sending the product back for a refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbnbtc View Post
    Pheros,

    old batch, always made me happily sleepy. Never depressed. I hope the current Pheros is more of the

    same!
    Relaxed and content is the reaction most have described; and the exact reaction I personally

    experience.
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    No depressive effects here.



    Yesterday I tried daubbing on some of the concentrate. It works just fine like that. I think I prefer the

    concentrate to the dilute version which separates.
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    Just got mine today.. Both

    concentrate and normal..
    At first when I smelled the bottle the scent is very strong (at least to me) and I didn√łt

    like it very much..
    But I thought I gotta try it out before I can give of my oppinion..
    I dabbed a little on my

    right wrist and some under my nose..
    Not long after I got really tired and got into bed and fell asleep.. I've

    sleept 2-3 hours and I just smelled my wrist again..
    NOW it smells GREAT! Sweet and vanilla like (at least to me)..

    The first scent was very spicy and was a bit to much to me but now I really like it..
    I don't think it

    was Pheros that made me sleepy - because I didn't get much sleep last night but further testing will show this in

    the end..
    Thanks for the wonderpotion Doc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger4 View Post
    I

    have to admit that when I first smelled the pheros I was disappointed. It smelled rather familiar, like some scented

    oils I remembered smelling somewhere. I then put some behind the ears and on my neck and could not smell a thing on

    me, so I put on a little more. Later that day, something strange happened. I went to the grocery store and was

    asking myself "what is that smell?" (forgetting that I had the pheros on). Then it occured to me that it was the

    pheros on me. The scent smelled a little richer than it did from the bottle. It didn't seem like a very strong

    scent at first, but I could smell it on me later in the day. Maybe others can smell it on me even

    better?
    Yes, others will smell it, and you will too if you apply it to your pulse points, ie

    inside elbows and wrist, neck, etc. If you apply it on those places (below your nose) you'll have a better

    experience.

    Any good fragrance will evolve over time on your skin for several reasons. Smelling it from the

    bottle is a "cheap imitation" of what you get when you wear it. I think you've figured that out.

    Try this:

    Apply it on your wrist and inner elbow and smell it right away. Wait 2 mins and smell again. Wait 5 mins and smell

    again. After that try it in 10-15 min. intervals. You can do this with your eyes closed for greater effect. I

    suspect what you'll find is more than you thought you would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone View Post
    No depressive

    effects here.

    Yesterday I tried daubbing on some of the concentrate. It works just fine like that. I think I

    prefer the concentrate to the dilute version which separates.
    Pheros is very mood lifting

    for me.

    I've been thinking about that too Gone, but I understand the water mix. I prefer dabbing over

    spraying anyway.

    I received some samples of a natural EO scent from a very reputable, even "famous" perfumer a

    few days ago, mixed with alcohol only. The scent was just great, as good as I expected, but in an hour it was over,

    the end, nothing left. Over a 4 hour period I had to apply it 3 times to get even a sense of what it had to

    offer.

    I suspect Pheros could have ended up something like that with pure alcohol and no water.

    For me,

    when the time comes I'll probably mix a portion of the concentrated Pheros with a carrier oil and see how

    that goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingMann View Post
    NOW

    it smells GREAT! Sweet and vanilla like (at least to me).. The first scent was very spicy and was a bit to much to

    me but now I really like it..
    Yep WM, I get the vanilla-musk too, very inviting, as in... "allow me to

    show you the boudoir now dear, you'll be comfortable there and it always gives satisfaction".

    I like the spice

    though too, and the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idesign View Post
    For me,

    when the time comes I'll probably mix a portion of the concentrated Pheros with a carrier oil and see how

    that goes.
    Unfotunately, I don't know if the oil idea would work. Over the many, many months Pheros

    was created, some water made it into the concentrate version, back when I thought it might be finished, and before I

    decided to distribute it. It's not clear whether that would interfere with it mixing with oil. It might, but I've

    never tried it. I'd advise sticking with the water.
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    Got the Pheros earlier this

    week (I live in Beijing so was rather surprised that it arrived so quickly)...I must say I absolutely love the

    scent!

    Just for starters, I went to a local restaurant later that day with a few other people. I had already

    applied about 12 inches of unscented SOE hours before leaving home. A nice but rather plain-looking waitress took

    our order, nothing special. I excused myself to go to the restroom after ordering and, once there, placed a very

    small amount of Pheros right under my nose and a little bit behind the ears to see what would happen. Within

    seconds, I felt a huge surge of confidence...like an immediate high, very uplifting. I also felt much more alert and

    aware of my surroundings. When the same waitress came to serve our food 10 minutes later, she seemed 10x more

    attractive in my opinion than before. Needless to say, this stuff definitely had an effect on me if nothing else.

    She also seemed a bit nervous this time around and actually spilled one of our entrees on the table.

    Similar to

    what DrSmellThis experienced, my mood lasted for the rest of the day and never let up. Thanks for making such a

    great product

    Since I'm fairly new to mones, I'll keep testing and seeing what happens in other

    locations/situations.

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