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I agree and you would think she is interested in me.
OH....MY....GOD!!!! This is frustrating.
Let me get this straight - you've:
- Overhead this chick talking
about you (to another GUY, no less)
- Heard her say "he's hot" in reference to you
- Noticed her gradually move
into your personal space every time you're in the gym
- Seen her intentionally put her ass on display by the cable
crunch (yes, it WAS intentional)
- Said hello and smiled to each other every time you are there
- In spite of the
fact that you AREN'T one of her beta puppy dogs (does she go out of her way to flirt with them?)
- Had her wink at
you
- Had her give you the sexy/shy look (that's a very classic IOI, the way)
- Seen her checking you at all the
time
- Had her look you directly in the eye while checking you out
- Had her tell you she's free on Friday nights
(MASSIVE DLV on her part)
And yet, you are "basically looking for more signs of interest"? WTF?
It's like,
if this chick walked up to you, started looking you in the eye with dilated pupils, nervously fidgeting, twirlring
her hair, stammering over her words, sweating, and said "my, it's rather hot in here", but didn't touch you,
you'd interpret that as "not interested", like she's really commenting on the air conditioning system or
something.
Let me make this perfectly clear:
THIS....GIRL....LIKES....YOU.
What more do you want? Oh,
right, SHE has to come up to YOU before you'll talk to her, and you won't touch (kino) her until she touches you.
Yet, the OTHER guys in the gym are acting "beta". Right.
The thing is when I try to talk to her or joke around with her or to tease her, sometimes she doesn't reply or
keeps her conversations very brief.
And she doesn't ask me personal details to know who I am. There have been
times I've tried to let her know personal details about me after I've asked her something and she doesn't seem
too interested.
That's where I'm confused.
If you were into someone as much as you think she's into me,
wouldn't you want to know things about the person you're into? That's at least been my personal experience with
women who were interested in me or that I dated.
Unlike other girls I tease and joke around with, most others
respond and tease back. Yet with this one, she doesn't always laugh at jokes that other ppl would. Which I find a
bit strange.
Well as I said the first impression she gave me when I first started training there was that she wasUmmm.. YEAHH, I could not agree more with that. It's time to make a move. I mean, for
Chrissake, you've now had a WOMAN on this thread tell you she's probably thinking the same way you are. I
completely agree with CulturalBlond's post. One of the best kept secrets in the world, is that beautiful women are
often approached LESS in DHV (demostration of High Value) situations, than other women, due to the intimidation
factor.
an attention seeking snob (no offense to anyone). And ppl I met that I train there with now told me that she mainly
looks around at me and other ppl just to see who's checking her out.
That leads to other confusion.
And yes
I agree with you and CulturalBlond's post about attractive women being less approached b/c of intimidation, but I
don't always understand that as sometimes I always see hotties being hit on and followed around (not what I will
do).
Basically I guess I'm just worried that I could be just being played with by her for her amusement to try
and make me cave and follow her around. If that's the case and I ask her out, I will look like a fool that she
played me for.
I agree about making a move, and I want to make a move. On Monday the guy I was training with
today will talk to the treadmill guy she was talking to me about and see if he knows anything concerning myself and
her. If he does and it's good, I will probably make a move b/c he knows her and she talks to him a lot.
Well you basically stated my concerns, but
Look at this situation objectively: You've already had massive IOI's from HBgymhottie, you've really done nothing
to make a move, and now you're going to talk yourself out of it, because she hasn't literally thrown herself at
you, so you conclude she's not intersted. So rather than ask her out, where the odds are probably FAR better than
50/50 she'd say yes, instead, you're going to pass up this opportunity, and only because of something you've
constructed in your head, that doesn't even coincide with reality. And what's even worse, this is a RISK-FREE
situation. What I mean by that is, what is going to happen if she's says "no"? Will you die? Will you lose your gym
membership? Will the puppy dogs who fill her water bottle laugh at you? Will you then become unattractive to all
other women? The answers to the above are no, no, no, no, and no.
of course I won't lose my gym membership. I guess a part of me is also concerned if she says anything to any of the
other women in the gym if I've totally taken things the wrong way.
I have had some bad experiences with women like all of us and I've moved on and know which ones to pickYou have nothing to lose, and
everything to gain here. With due respect, please don't take Chicago's advice. It's rather obvious from his posts
in this thread that he has had problems in the past with women, and is bitter. Really, not all women are like "used
cars" or golddiggers or whatever. You're letting yourself get talked into quitting, without even having tried in
the first place! If you do that, I've got news - the most beta guy in that gym is YOU. At least the waterboy AFC's
(average frustrated chumps) who have no chance still talk to her. You have her attraction, plus Chikara, plus a
mastermind group here willing to help you, and yet that's STILL not enough. (BTW, the reason I'm being so harsh on
you about this, is because I've done similar things myself. And come to regret it. I'm trying to spare you that.)
from.
I agree with you about being harsh and totally understand b/c I'm realizing that I'm missing out on
experiences in my life that I'd like to look back on and remember.
I agree with the above statements. Speaking of finding something she caresAgain, as above:
Attraction->Rapport->Seduction. You HAVE attraction. You keep assuming you don't, thus raising her value level
above your own - not good. If you approach her with that attitude, you'll get blown out. And rightly so. ASSUME you
already have her attention, because, if your posts are accurate - you do.
Onto Rapport. Remember, as above,
Attraction minus Rapport = LJBF. So, you have to establish at least minimum rapport before making your move. Find
something she either cares about, or something you have in common, and then talk with her about it in a way designed
to make her feel good about herself, in your presence. Hmmm, if only we could find a common ground in the GYM,
hmm... what could it be.....
about, well a few weeks ago I asked her about her gym photo shoot I saw being done in the gym about a month ago and
she was interested in that. She trains 6 days a week, so I know she cares about her body and the gym. But wouldn't
she get bored talking about that? I'm sure everyone else talks to her about it.
When I see her on Monday when the opportunity rises to talk to her I will ask her if she has anyOh, wait, I know...
MAYBE you could talk to her about working out! Hmmm, what a concept! This is ridiculously easy to do. First, find
something to compliement her on - anything besides her tits or ass. Maybe her abs. "Hey, I noticed your abs have
gotten a lot more cut. What's your routine?"
This accomplishes several things. It lets her know: You've been
looking. It makes her feel good about herself. It pays her a compliment, but in a very non-supplicative way ("not
omigod, you are so hot, please date me, omigod) LOL...
And it gets her TALKING to you. Which is what you wanted,
right?
hobbies and/or what she normally does on the weekend outside the gym and work and elaborate on that which is
something I've been trying to do but haven't had the opportunity as she was training a client who was a friend of
hers.
This is exactly the type of conversation I've been wanting and playingHB: Oh, uh, thanks (flustered by your confidence... and chikara ) I do xyz crunches,
blah blah blah
Sig: Yeah, well, you look great (no pause) I just love workin' out, you know? Really gets the blood
moving. But what I really love is that awesome endorphin rush after a great set, you know? (no pause), Like, you
just get that whole 'king of the world' feeling going on (shameless Titanic anchor, chicks love that scene in that
movie), (no pause), like there's nothing in the world you can't do, and everthing you want is laid right out
before you.... (pause, look away for just a second in "amazement and wonder")
HB: DDB (Doggy Dinner Bowl look,
i.e., eating it up )
Sig: Well, it's been great talking to you, I've gotta get going, got a
meeting/date/whatevre
HB: ummm, ok (not wanting you to leave)
Sig: Hey, listen, you mind if I give you a call
sometime? Maybe we could grab a cup of coffee sometime, and compare routines or something (delivered with cheshire
cat smile - let HER imagine what kind of 'routines' you mean. Workout routines? Something else? )
HB:
Yes (VISUALIZE THIS MOMENT BEFOREHAND)
Sig: Cool, what's your #?
One thing I *will* agree with Chigago on,
either make a move, or move on...
out.
The thing is, one of the details that gave me the impression that she could be an attention seeking snob is
that one day a couple of months ago when she was on the treadmill right next to me, she was talking to another
guy.
From the conversation I heard they were confirming plans for dinner and he asked "how will I get in touch
with you? Could I have your number?" and she replied to him "around here nobody has my number with a smirk on her
face as she said it".
So this is why I'm a bit nervous to ask for her number. She lives at home she told me so
if she does give me her number it will probably be her cell phone number which is fine.
Here is another
question I have, could the reason she doesn't talk to me or ask personal details about me b/c she may just want to
have sex with me and doesn't care to really know me? She does not seem like this type, but I am having a tough time
figuring out who she really is.
But I'm going to wait until Monday to see if the treadmill guy she talked
to about me and said I'm hot to before she winked at me knows anything about the situation between myself and
her.
Then I will decide, if he tells me she's interested in me and been waiting for me to make a move than I
will proceed. If he says other wise like she is just trying to screw with my head than I will be undecided.
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