you also have to keep in mind that maybe youre already producing alot of NONE (what is contained in the NPA and APC) naturally and by adding more youre just getting bad results. I myself have never been able to use none products (except with WAGG) since my none production is already super high. Maybe a nol or rone product might work better for you...at the end you have to put in time like most of us have to find the right product for you...unfortunately not everything works for everyone..at least in my experience...