Sex and Mones

[MOBLEYC57]

That's one drop of A7 split between the ears (half a drop per ear).

I'm looking at

the typical dosage I posted, and it seems quite low compared to what most others use. The problem is I seem to OD

easily if I use more than a drop of A7. And I can't stand the way I smell if I use more than 6" of SOE.

I think

I need to experiment some more.

-CAt

Sorry about the extra post ... it came to me later.

You can

also go with the UNscented SOE when you get another scent that you like, 'cause, to me, 4" of SOE won't master A7,

or A1 if there's any truth to what it does over time. Supposingly, A1 -none's out after a while ... that plus the

A7 could also have been your problem after you started dancing.

Just a thought.

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks Mobley,

The

thing is that I use so little A7 to begin with, that I don't know why I would need to worry about A1 breakdown

products or using enough SOE to keep the -none in check.

Everyone please check these calculations:

6" SOE =

~11 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1 drop A7 = ~3.5 mcg mones (mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 10mcg mones (all A1)

Total

weight = 25 mcg mones, of which only ~ 3 mcg is -none

The first observation is that the -none component is very

low, so I really need to look carefully at if I'm really OD'ing or just imagining it. Or is it possible that other

components are contributing to OD?

Secondly, I tend to use a lot of A1 proportionately. I like the mellowing

effect it has when I get intimate, but maybe I'm not serving my interest in getting more significant public hits.



Comments?

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

Thanks Mobley,

The thing is that I use so little A7 to begin with, that I don't

know why I would need to worry about A1 breakdown products or using enough SOE to keep the -none in check.



Everyone please check these calculations:

6" SOE = ~11 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1 drop A7 = ~3.5 mcg mones

(mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 10mcg mones (all A1)

Total weight = 25 mcg mones, of which only ~ 3 mcg is -none



The first observation is that the -none component is very low, so I really need to look carefully at if I'm

really OD'ing or just imagining it. Or is it possible that other components are contributing to OD?

Secondly, I

tend to use a lot of A1 proportionately. I like the mellowing effect it has when I get intimate, but maybe I'm not

serving my interest in getting more significant public hits.

Comments?

-CAt

Good to see your success with the A1 i certainly could learn a little about this

substance.

Just regarding the Alpha 7, one drop contains easily

over 20mcg pheromone.

Like 7000mcg/10mL =

700mcg/mL

So divide 700mcg by the average number of drops you

can get out of one mL of the actual product and that will get you close enough to the correct mcg per

drop.

Also you will find that you will get less drops per ml

out of the A7 than you will with SOE because it is a lot thicker than the SOE and has a heavier

viscosity.

The same principle applies when measuring pheromones

suspended in Alcohol which has even less weight per drop and a smoother viscosity giving a different reading

again.

And again the amount of drops will always vary depending

upon the temperature of the products and also the type of dropper used in the field

measurements.

That is why i say when dividing the 1ml of

Pheromone into drops you will only get close to the exact mcg/ml , but it is close enough to know what you are

dealing with even though we may be a few % out.


Even one

drop of PI which contains less pheromone content than A7 contains over 20mcg of

Androstenone.

Your calculations are close enough with the SOE.

not to go into any hair splitting.

It is fine that you are

comfortable with one drop of Alpha 7, I also like one drop.

And

also regarding the 6" SOE that is also wonderfull that it is giving you the desired

effects.

Because at 6" the bottle will give you about 320

applications, and this sure is good economy buying.

I am can

usually have success with 6" SOE in a close and intimate setting.

But as far as a good 5 or 6 hours of attraction is concerned i personally need about 24" - 30" or

say 45" when at a dance or nightclub.

Even at the extravagant

amount of 45" this would give me over 40 applications per bottle.

Now at say $55 a bottle inc postage, that would make the cost of my one large application about

$1.38 ea.

Which is really a very cheap price to pay for the

application of a top hit application ammount of Scent of Eros.

Using Pheromones is a very individual and personal thing and we are all different and have our own

preferences and quantities.

And at the end of the day i wish

you well irrespective of your personal choices ect.

But if you

want to get extra friendly responses you could always try several more inches of SOE.

Sea how it goes. ~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~

[terry0400-40]

Thought i had something more to say xcept wish you were here.

[CAtriathlete]

Thanks for the help

Terry!

I'm glad someone checked my calculations. Apparently I was off an order of magnitude-- I mis-read the LS

experimentation spreadsheet.

Going with your approach to calculations, and assuming 20 drops per ml (or 180

inches per ml of SOE by your estimate of 1800 inches per 10ml bottle):

6" SOE = ~17 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1

drop A7 = ~35 mcg mones (mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 100 mcg mones (all A1)

Total weight = 150 mcg mones, of

which ~30 mcg is -none and the overwhelming majority is A1.

That sounds like a pretty solid total dose of mones,

despite what others use. So maybe I am on the right track-- but I should try increasing the ratio of SOE to A1.



I do consider A1 to be very important. I have found A1 to have a powerful comforting effect on women, and I use it

before bedtime with tremendous success for increasing affection, lowering their inhibitions, and increasing passion.

BTW, it was reading about the latest scientific study results of A1 in the news early this year that brought me to

LS!

-CAt

[terry0400-40]

Thanks for the help Terry!

I'm glad someone checked my calculations. Apparently I

was off an order of magnitude-- I mis-read the LS experimentation spreadsheet.

Going with your approach to

calculations, and assuming 20 drops per ml (or 180 inches per ml of SOE by your estimate of 1800 inches per 10ml

bottle):

6" SOE = ~17 mcg mones (-nol & -rone)
1 drop A7 = ~35 mcg mones (mostly -none)
2 drops A1 = 100 mcg

mones (all A1)

Total weight = 150 mcg mones, of which ~30 mcg is -none and the overwhelming majority is A1.



That sounds like a pretty solid total dose of mones, despite what others use. So maybe I am on the right track--

but I should try increasing the ratio of SOE to A1.

I do consider A1 to be very important. I have found A1 to

have a powerful comforting effect on women, and I use it before bedtime with tremendous success for increasing

affection, lowering their inhibitions, and increasing passion. BTW, it was reading about the latest scientific study

results of A1 in the news early this year that brought me to LS!

-CAt

I

have used an instant product sprayer that has A1 in the formula, i am not sure how much it has because the product

also has 2 other pheromones included.



I have not found the product to act as a powerfull attractant but it sure does

make a woman feel comfortable and secure.



I have sprayed it on an area of my chest before and had my g/f go to the very

spot and then leave her head buried in the area for 1/2 hour just purring like a contented pussy

cat.

RE -

SOE:- I have counted the drops several times using a rubber ended pheromone dropper that came with an order of

Androsterone that i had ordered from a direct sales chemical company.

I have purchased several bottles of SOE and

using the pheromone dropper each time i have counted the drops in a new bottle it has averaged out at 385 drops per

bottle.

So

dividing the 5000mcg by 385 drops gave me 12.987mcg per drop.

And experimenting with the SOE rollerballs i

get 5" per drop.

Which looks like this on my spreadsheet.

• 1 drop =Nol 10.384 mcg, Rone 2.596 mcg = 12.98 mcg Total per
  
  drop.=5"

There will always be variations in these

calculations for each tester because it all depends upon the measuring tools used and also the temperature of the

pheromone formulation at the time of measuring.



Having said the abovementioned, My calculations are good enough for me to work

with knowing that i am close enough to the mark % wise to be credable in my estimations.

The same goes for you also as it seems

that you have also come up with an estimation that works for you as it seems credable.

I dont think my perceived estimations

for Alpha 7 would be agreed with by the more experienced members of the forum as it is just a rough estimate, and i

have not counted drops from a new bottles yet.



But this is the table i use anyway for Alpha

7.

• 1 drop = aNONE 24mcg, aRONE 4
  
  mcg.

Some would say the None is only 20

mcg,
but that is still ok by me because i will not be making up

gigantic proportions of A7 to go into mixes.



I have made smaller mixes up and used in 5 ml and also 10 ml spray

atomisers.

At the end of the day most new forum users usually just work with a drop of this or a few dabs of

that, or a small spray, or a spray or two ect, so overall thats pretty much ok.

But i can really appreciate the thought that

you put into the calcuations as i try and do so myself, mainly because i like to store made up mixes to have on

standby for a specific given application target or perceived window of appropriate pheromone

action.

And

i really appreciate the A1 feedback and hope you stay posting as i would like to learn more about this Pheromone and

its concentrations and also where to obtain it from.

[CAtriathlete]

Hey Terry 'ol mate,



Thanks for the next lesson in "mone math."

I think there's plenty of room for those of us who like to track

the mcgs as well as those who prefer to splash on a couple a' drops and a spray here or there. Since I consider

this a long term study of effectiveness, I, like you, prefer the former. I appreciate your meticulousness!!



Thanks for your drop count on SOE. A search on the web for "drops per ml" seems to yield answers ranging from 15

to 20 drops per ml. So I'm surprised to learn your average of 385 drops per 10 ml of SOE. Even though SOE is so

viscous and you would expact LESS drops per ml than a typical water-based liquid, yet you are experiencing 38 drops

per ml! That's a surprise. I can imagine it has to do with that dropper you are using-- small drops. (Personally, I

have a huge dropper ) When I get a chance I will have to do my own study of drop counts for different solutions

and using different droppers. Actually, now that I think if it, I'm not at all surprised the small droppers that

come with most of these mone bottles would yield smaller drops than a typical full-sized laboratory dropper. It's

definitely not true that a drop is a drop is a drop. I guess the take home lesson is for these experiements it's

more important to standardize one's own procedures and measurements relative to each other rather than external

standards.

As for the A1... I am now using full strength solution I got here at LS. Originally I tried the

half-strength stuff, but in retrospect I believe it was a bad batch and I won't buy the half-strength stuff again.

I am very happy with the full strength stuff- very potent! I'll keep reporting my results.

Back to the orginal

topic of this thread... it's becoming more interesting to me to think of the effects of mones in three different

zones, ranging from the periphery into the sexual:

1. The Attention Zone-- This is that 4' to 10' radius where

you hope and expect any ladies to notice your mone "signature" and check you out. If your dosage is just right, you

create a trail of DIHLs in this zone.

2. The Captivity Zone-- This is from 1' to 3' away, in which you already

have the ladies attention, and they can't resist flirting with you as they get a closer sniff. (I would think that

it is moving from the attention zone into this zone where the most OD's occur.)

3. The Intimate Zone-- This is

just and inch or two above your skin, where a woman's nose (and body) is right up against you. She is intoxicated

and wants to take in your scent completely.

Personally, it's the Intimate Zone where I've seen the most

effects and have been satisfied with my experiments-- very satisfied. Not only in bed, but I've had women friends

hug me and linger a lot longer than usual when I am wearing mones. That could be from my strong use of A1. Now I am

ready to work on success in the other two zones, without creating OD situations.

What do the rest of you think

of these zones? Contrived, or a helpful way of thinking about what works?

-CAt