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Perception at the subconcous

level can be affected by the way you dress, your demeanor or how you speak amongst many other things. We\'ve all

seen how some people abuse their natural gifts, whether it be looks or the ability to convince others.

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The problem is, those things (clothes, actions, cologne, mannerisms,

etc.) are not on the subconscious level. These are things that can be identified through sight, sound, smell.

These are things that people can perceive through their senses and can react in a manner to which their particular

tastes and perceptions are attuned towards. However, pheromones are typically being used by those who are knowingly

using deception attempting to influence others on a subconscious level.

Are pheromones any different than, say,

subliminal messages in advertising? Are pheromones the Coca-Cola picture spliced into the movie previews at the

theater?

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So long as you are not forcing

yourself on somebody or chemically subduing their will, you are not harming them.

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But to a certain degree you are forcing yourself on them, or at the vary least, making an

attempt to change their views and opinions about you subconsciously. There are numerous testimonials throughout the

forum postings that indicate that \"I would have never gotten a person like this if it weren\'t for the

pheromones.\" Doesn\'t that indicate that the pheromones are actually changing a particular persons

views/perceptions? I\'m pretty certain that most people don\'t let on that they are using pheromones during

their relationships with people, so it seems pretty obvious that at least some individuals are making a conscious

effort to alter a persons views for their own benefit. Is that type of action something that would be considered

morally correct? Perhaps it depends on the individual, but I\'m not certain that society as a whole fully

understands pheromones, and most probably discounts or dismisses their effect on the subconscious due to skepticism

from a lack of understanding, exposure, objective government research (if that\'s even possible), or whatever.



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They still have the free choice in how to respond

to you.

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Do they? From experience, I don\'t know if they do or

not. This obviously has a multitude of factors to consider, but I do know that by using pheromones I immediately

saw and experienced what I feel were positive reactions that would not have taken place without them on a

subconscious level.

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I am curious though. If

you feel so strongly that the use of pheromones is evil, what are you doing here?

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Because not only do I play the devil\'s advocate on this board, I am, in real life, the dark

lord of all things evil.