I didn\'t know not to go lower then the shaft [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] but now I will watch for that. I had noticed that the days that the 4-ADerm got a little lower that my tests. were a little sore, but they haven\'t shrunk or anything. And I was trying twice a day as well, is that too much?

Anyway, this is my update:
Chemicals:
--- 6-OXO (3;6;17-androstenetrione) aromatase suicide inhibitor (anti-estrogen conversion); 400mg (4 pills) a day in the evening for six weeks
--- Indolplex diindolymethane (DIM) (2-hydroxyestrogen to 16-hydroxyestrogen metabolite conversion) 240mg (2 pills morn, night) for 3 weeks, and then 1 pill for the remaining off cycle 3 weeks.
--- Cortistat-PS (phospholipids namely, PHOSPHATIDYLSERINE) (anti-cortisol for any body stress reactions) 2 capsules every other day, evening for six weeks
--- 4-ADerm (4-androstenediol; what we are all here for hehe, growth!) Topical, 3 squirts twice daily (upon whitehall\'s suggestion, probably droping down to one, and watching the scrotum!) for 25 - 30 days (3 - 4 weeks)
--- Saw Palmetto 160mg 1 capsule, evening, prostate health for six weeks
--- Multi-Vitamin 100% complex
--- Coral Calcium 1000mg


What I\'m thinking of adding:
--- Vitamin E for help in conversions.
--- ZMA? I might not need that.

lol 11 pils sucks, but it\'s only six week cycles

Stats:
Starting length: 6.25\"
Age: 21, Male (hmmm I don\'t think females would like giant clits. LOL)
Hight: 5\'8\"
Muscular build
Weight: 205lbs (need this down to 195lbs but I think 6-OXO is helping with that!)
Healing/recovery: very fast

Discusion:
I hope that by using the 6-OXO during this period I slam down the estrogen conversion of the 4-AD to make more of it bioavalible along with turning on the need for my body to keep the tests. in full production mode. Also, the increased test. from the ramp up in test. production might help with growth as well. The reason for the longer run time on the 6-OXO then the 4-AD is to regenerate any limiting effect from the 4-AD (test. conversion) feedback to the hypothalamus after the 4-AD stops.
In taking the DIM I hope to catch any converted metabolites of the estrogen that does convert and get them into a better ratio of 2/16-hydroxest. to limit any effects of the \"bad\" estrogen metabolites.
Cortistat-PS might help because I know messing with my hormone levels might trigger a stress reaction and I want to keep the cortisol levels down to stop any catabolic measures taken by my body during that time.... Through experimentation I found that only 2 pills every other day is PERFECT. I really feel calm and nice at that level. and it\'s at a no more no less balence (plus all of this $hit gets expensive you know!).
With the Saw Palmetto I have noticed that at first I had a little bit more frequent urination (possible sign of enlargment) and then as I kept on with the Saw P. it went away! I say this is a must. We\'ll find out though if it effects growth when I take off the 4-AD and measure.

What do you think about adding Vit. E and ZMA Jones, Whitehall, Andy, DST, etc etc!

Any other suggestions welcome.... I understand the body pretty well, but I think you guys are a lot more informed than I am... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Whew....


-Adam [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]