the ones i\'ve talked to (and i was sceptical as well, i talked to some guys on this discussion...) told me that it was actually easier to see results with girth than with length. and, like for instance body building, you see results straight after the training, but then you slowly go back to normal size, but when repeated enough times over some time, the results where more and more lastin untill you one day have permanently gained size, and allthough that day may not come for atleast a couple of months, you will, if you use it frequently, be \"pumped\" just like when you go to the gym, you gain temporary muscles that disappear in a couple of days.

hope you catch my drift here, i\'m very tired, therefore...i can\'t think very straight.... zzzzzzzzz