The science of pheromones? Seriously what's going on?

[belgareth]

For the sake of fairness I'll not tell you why Mr Kohl was banned but can assure you it was not for a lack of knowledge. It had to do with personalities and was not an easy decision to come to.

I'll agree there is a dearth of studies that demonstrate the effectives of pheromones but there have been a few that were pretty well documented and conducted. While not really valid for scientific purposes there is a lot of empirical evidence that they do have some effect. Being a huge sceptic myself it took me months to convince myself that the effects I saw were real and not my imaginiation. Of course the results were purely subjective and actually focused more on business results than anything else so may not even be valid for you from an empirical point of view.

Look at the settings on the forum. Most likely you have it set to one month. Go to the forum in question and scroll down to the settings. Change the time from 'one month' to 'begining'. If that doesn't work for you let me know and I'll see what I can do.

[TheInventor]

I've been using the edge at this point for a couple days, and I haven't noticed any blatant hits from women, but I have noticed my own mood being considerably different. I did a spray the first day, and I just felt like an effing boss. I had no fear talking to women or being an alpha male. If pheromones only affected me, it would be an advantage. As a placebo, it would be clear why this particular placebo would aid in getting women. But I'm starting to suspect that its not just placebo - let me tell you why. When I got the shipment, the edge bottle was really leaky (which is kind of disappointing). The room where I keep them now smells so strong of sandlewood that you can smell it in the hall outside. My treadmill is in that same room. Today I got on the treadmill and the speed setting I normally use just wasn't enough. I needed more, so I turned it up. I was an animal! The reason I suspect it might not be placebo is that 30 minutes into it I still felt strong, like I could keep going with no strain whatsoever. Generally, placebo tends to fade off pretty quickly, so I wouldn't expect it to continue for the whole duration and after.

It seems to me that the send of the 'none caused my testosterone to spike. I'm not yet ready to fully rule out placebo, but if it does indeed work on me in the way it seems like it does, then it stands to reason that it would work on women in the expected way as well. I imagine it could be a double whammy, both calming your own social anxieties while also communicating a high social status to others.

I'm considering setting up a double blind experiment with my friend to test the effectiveness of the edge beyond all possibility of placebo.

Regard Mr. Kohl - is his product fairly trustworthy at least? As in it has real 'nol and 'rone in it, it's totally straightforward, and there's nothing tricky about it? I don't know how I feel about the person, and I don't think he's a real scientist, but if his product is just 'nol and 'rone, then it's probably safe enough to use and everything...

[belgareth]

Bruce would not sell his product if it was not trustworthy. SoE is manufactured under controlled conditions and is exactly what it is claimed to be. You can buy it in good faith. Just remember that the pheromones in it are not the same as TE and will give you different results. As for Mr. Kohl's creds as a scientist, I cannot disagree with you but do not know him other than his articles and posts here and elsewhere so hesitate to make judgments about him as a scientist. Like any of us mere mortals he does tend to have his biases though.

While I have read many accounts of huge hits from pheromone products I rarely see the things others claim such as the deer in the headlights look and massive hits. Maybe it is because I'm an old fart or maybe there is a lot of wishful thinking in some reports. There is no way to be sure. In my case the hits tend to be more subtle.

I know what you mean about exercise and products with -none in them. Hits me the same way.

It would be interesting to know how you could do a double blind test with just you and your friend. I look forward to reading it and your results.

[raul1966]

I will be very interesting to know about the double blind test, please let us know,The inventor.

[idesign]

We've had this discussion before but its interesting to re-visit it time to time.

Agreed, it would be interesting and useful to have a bit more scientific study and empirical evidence of pheromones' effectiveness. But even if it existed, we'd still have to fall back on anecdotal evidence and, most importantly, personal experience.

Given the sheer complexity and diversity of how these chemicals work in each individual's biochemistry, it would be impossible to predict with any certainty how a specific pheromone, or combination of pheromones, would work for a single individual in a real life situation. Combine that with the diversity of receptors -our "targets" - and it becomes even more complex.

I'm with Belgareth on this, even if there was a mountain of evidence, scientific or otherwise, I'd still have to prove it by experience.

Inventor, its pretty easy to rule out placebo with experimentation, you yourself admitted that you used pheromones with "some success". Repeated similar results is enough for me. Sure, its not exact science, but we just don't have that option right now.

Combine all of that with the behavioral aspects of attraction and I think we find that all we can do is assemble the best personal "package" we can, one that will me most attractive to those whom we hope to impress. If that package includes pheromones, we have to figure it out for ourselves, just like the rest of it. I guess that's what we're trying to do here on the forum, and there's a lot of good stuff here.