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    Blind, lazy, complacent,

    self-centered, materialistic consumerism? Us? Nahhh...

    I barely know where to begin. You're right of

    course, what we've done is promote and elect politicians and bosses to negotiate easy lives for ourselves, wherein

    luxuries are entitlements and victims are created out of hardships.

    As an aside, it occurs to me that the trend

    of celebrity-ism is an outcome of this. People assume vicariously the lives of the rich and famous, believing

    themselves as having the same qualities and privileges. So they put on the sunglasses, go on American Idol, and

    get insulted by an a__hole with a leftover Fonzie t-shirt. Then ratings go through the roof when this year's

    model gets caught with his/her pants down in a seedy hamster cage. The celeb is brought closer to the empty life of

    the worshiper, narrowing the gap and comforting the unwashed, making it much easier to go back to the Mall and sell

    knock-off P-Diddle bowl scrubbers, waiting to be discovered.

    Sports? That's even worse. In the course of a

    weekend, in the mind of of a couch warrior, battles are fought, won, lost and left to dry Mon-Fri on a cubicle wall

    until next week. Staring at the standings chart he's left empty, so why not create a fantasy league to play with

    until the real fantasy re-appears on Saturday? Damn! I've GOT to find tickets to that Victoria's Secret Bustier

    Bowl next week. A bit of cheerleader lace and its back to criticizing the coach, this is serious business. "Honey,

    don't bother me with the headlines, I'm trying to think. Where's my Lakers t-shirt?... the game's almost

    on..."

    Yes, there will be a lot of pissed off people when the lights go out, and they won't see it coming. I

    think, however, that there is a remnant of those who see and don't like where we are. Just the fact that we're

    having this discussion here along with, I'm sure, a thousand other places. The question remains, is the "Great

    Divide" so big as to be irreconcilable? Is there an "us v. them" with no bridge? Notions of bi-partisanship become

    rather silly when faced with choices between freedom and tyranny.

    Like you say Tim, the politicians are staring

    us down. They've abrogated every sense of responsibility to their oaths and obligations to the country and the

    people who've elected them. When they turn on the people, will the people turn back? How many? In what way?

    Belgareth has some interesting comments about this in the other current thread. I tend to agree with him. This

    country has produced too many freedom loving people who will not suffer tyrants.

    I saw on the news the other

    night a sign being held at a rally. "Its our turn for a "Change". I like that, and hopefully more events like

    the Mass. election will occur. One problem though is even if we boot the bastards out, can we undo what's already

    in place?
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    Default Lee Iaccoca - Worth reading.

    IACOCCA SPEAKS OUT ON OBAMA
    Just as true today as it

    was when his book first came out.

    He was, and still is, a brilliant

    businessman!

    Often we need to be reminded of Iococca's

    words.

    Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its

    death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders

    Gone?'.

    Lee Iacocca Says:
    'Am I the

    only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage with this so called

    president? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of tax cheating clueless leftists trying to steer

    our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even run a

    ridiculous cash-for-clunkers program without losing $26 billion of the taxpayers' money, much less build a hybrid

    car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'trust me the

    economy is getting better..'

    Better? You've got to be kidding. This is

    America , not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the Democrats out along with

    Obama!'

    You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker,

    and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country

    anymore..

    The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys

    in handcuffs.. While we're fiddling in Afghanistan , Iran is completing their nuclear bombs and missiles and

    nobody seems to know what to do. And the liberal press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions.

    That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough.

    How about you?

    I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if

    you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca

    elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.)

    Leaders

    are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with thumb up your butt and

    talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another

    thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

    On September 11, 2001, we

    needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the

    ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand.

    We're immersed in a bloody

    war now with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. But our soldiers are dying

    daily.

    We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the world, and

    it's getting worse every day!

    We've lost the manufacturing edge to Asia ,

    while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.


    Gas prices are going to skyrock again, and nobody in power has a lucid plan to

    open drilling to solve the problem. This country has the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, and we cannot drill for

    it because the politicians have been bought by the flea-hugging environmentalists.


    Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers union.


    Our borders are like sieves and they want to give all illegals amnesty and

    free healthcare.

    The middle class is being squeezed to death every day.


    These are times that cry out for

    leadership.

    But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the

    leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage,

    conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the

    point.

    Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making

    us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

    We've spent

    billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already

    happened.

    Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping the government

    will make it better for them. Now, that's just crazy.. Deal with life.

    Name

    me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who

    would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How

    did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it!

    Name me a

    government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the

    health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and

    milking the middle class dry.

    I have news for the Chicago gangsters in

    Congress. We didn't elect you to turn this country into a losing European Socialist state. What is everybody so

    afraid of? That some bonehead on NBC or CNN news will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show

    some spine for a change?

    Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of

    gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope - I believe in America . In

    my lifetime, I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments.. I've also

    experienced some of our worst crises: The 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy

    Assassination,' the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970's oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years since

    9/11.

    Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care

    about. It's our country, folks, and it's our future. Our future is at stake!!
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    Thomas Jefferson

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    Default This is rich

    Obama has

    suspicious number of letter-writing fans named 'Ellie

    Light'



    [url]http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/01/letter_writer_claims_diverse_r.html[/ur

    l]

    http://patterico.com/2010/01/23/elli...letter-writer/

    Poster's Note:
    The implications of this are enormous. Ever try to get a letter published

    in your local paper? Its near impossible without writing dozens of letters over a long period of time. How could

    one person get published simultaneously in dozens of papers? The same name with the same letter, all with a local

    address?

    We can come to our own conclusions, but it smells like week-old fish, wrapped in a newspaper.


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    It isn't really as hard as you

    make it sound to get published in letters to the editor. I've done it a number of times. However, the coincidence

    is rather startling, to say the least. Nobody in their right mind would believe it wasn't a propaganda push. The

    thing that amazes me most is the sheer chutzpa of thinking nobody would notice the same name being used in so many

    papers. Of course, the government is going to deny having anything to do with it.

    You did hear that he is back

    to meeting with his campaign people, right? My guess is he wants to start another internet buzz going like he did

    for the elections. He's got a good propaganda arm going. One has to wonder what his ultimate goal is. I don't like

    his beliefs and feel he is damaging the country severely but don't for a minute think he is stupid or acting

    randomly. His actions are carefully planned out.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    I'm really surprised that the more

    "politically inclined" members haven't had any comments about last Thursday's Supreme Court ruling about business

    and unlimited spending. I'm guessing that within 3 years, every politician will be fully owned by some

    multinational, if they aren't already.
    Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
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    It doesn't just impact

    businesses, it impacts the unions as well. They can also contribute as much as they want. Its a double edged sword

    that hopefully will lead to realistic campaign finance reform. Not with this administration or the last few but

    hopefully over time the crooks will get thrown out of office.

    I don't have a link to it but I did find the

    other side of the issue iteresting. A number of major businesses sent an open letter to congress asking them to stop

    calling for donations. It seems congress and the senate have been hitting the corporations pretty hard for money.

    I'm wondering if the real issue isn't the prostitutes in the govrnment selling their votes rather than businesses

    trying to buy them. That would put quite a slant on the claim of businesses wanting to buy government.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnjim View Post
    I'm really

    surprised that the more "politically inclined" members haven't had any comments about last Thursday's Supreme

    Court ruling about business and unlimited spending. I'm guessing that within 3 years, every politician will be

    fully owned by some multinational, if they aren't already.
    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth View Post
    It doesn't just

    impact businesses, it impacts the unions as well. They can also contribute as much as they want. Its a double edged

    sword that hopefully will lead to realistic campaign finance reform. Not with this administration or the last few

    but hopefully over time the crooks will get thrown out of office.

    I don't have a link to it but I did find the

    other side of the issue iteresting. A number of major businesses sent an open letter to congress asking them to stop

    calling for donations. It seems congress and the senate have been hitting the corporations pretty hard for money.

    I'm wondering if the real issue isn't the prostitutes in the govrnment selling their votes rather than businesses

    trying to buy them. That would put quite a slant on the claim of businesses wanting to buy

    government.


    Term limits!

    And a cap on what any candidate can spend, no matter the source.

    Bloomberg has been buying NYC out of pocket.


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