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[koolking1]

the past it helps

to remember that Bush was not elected by the American citizenry, he was elected by the Supreme Court. Al Gore won

the popular vote. I have no idea if Gore would have made better choices after the 911 attack but I do consider

Bush' choices to be about as bad it could have possibly been. My own opinion is that Bush and Company should have

respectfully resigned on 9/12/01 for their abject failure to protect the airspace of the USA.

Hi Comrades,

welcome to the USSA, the United States Socialist America.

[belgareth]

That's really sad. You should

know that 9/11 was planned and almost completely put into place under Clinton and his people. The balance was

committed under people who were still working under Clinton policies. Go back and study the material available and

you will find that true, completely.

As for Al Gore winning the popular vote, work to change the system if you

don't like it. Bush won the electoral vote and that is the system in place. All the court really did was uphold the

law to the best of their ability. Had they decided the other way I am sure there would be people from the other side

making the same claims.

You have not made a very good argument and in all respect, you should admit at least

that after Clinton's fumble of letting the terrorists into this country and Bush's war in the mid-east, we have

not had another terrorist attack in the US while other coutries have had serious attacks.

Personally, from my

perspective, I believe Gore, the Clintons, and Obama are far closer to socialists than Bush ever could be. But that

is my perspective which is clearly different from yours.

[koolking1]

Clinton, Gore, Obama may

have socialist leaning tendencies but Bush is bringing the real deal Socialism, with a capital S, to us this week.

If Congress rubber stamps his proposal to bail out AIG it will be their last act resulting in their complete loss of

any power over the Executive branch. Of course, they will retain their lofty titles, huge paychecks, perks, and top

notch medical coverage but that's about it.

"Beyond the Constitutional deficiencies, the bailout establishes

a dangerous precedent enabling the Fed and/or Government to nationalize virtually any business or property within

the United States without legal authority or congressional approval."

You should read the full

article:

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org...2008-09-18.htm

[koolking1]

"That's really sad. You

should know that 9/11 was planned and almost completely put into place under Clinton and his people. The balance was

committed under people who were still working under Clinton policies. Go back and study the material available and

you will find that true, completely."

Bel, are you saying that the 911 attack was a US Government sponsored

event?

Myself, I have to say that it seems pretty inconcievable to me that the hijackers and their sponsors

(whoever they are) had such great intel that they were able to pick the perfect day to pull it off (multiple

exercises, NORAD standown). From what I understand the "rules of engagement" were changed in June 2001 giving

Cheney, rather than the Pentagon, control and then changed back to the Pentagon a few weeks after 911.

[koolking1]

"As for Al Gore winning the

popular vote, work to change the system if you don't like it."

I think you already know that I have been

doing that exactly. I campaigned heartily during the NH primary for Ron Paul, manning phone banks and doing other

logistical work for the campaign. Today, my girlfriend and I are helping a woman running for State Representative

here by canvassing a nearby neighborhood with her, luckily - it's a gorgeous day here today.

[koolking1]

board:

Given the mass "hysteria" surrounding this "bailout," I have little doubt that Sec 8 is

but one of many provisions in this bill that are fundamentally unconstitutional and unAmerican.

This new bill

is a lot like the Patriot Act, a sweeping and unconstitutional revision of our basic civil and privacy rights that

went thru Congress faster than the runners in front of Pamplona's bulls. Hell, if 10% of our "elected"

representatives even read, much less analyze, this legislation before voting the way the Administration demands,

then I'd eat my hat. I think Mike Moore needs to bring his truck mounter speaker and start circling Capitol Hill

NOW.

At least our Congresscritters could get something for the people out of this fiasco. A tax hike on the

top 1% of America's income earners (and a similar tax on the wealth of America's top 1%-ers) would go a small way

towards putting the revenue needed to finance the bailout into the Treasury's coffers.

Then again, that

would mean the incumbents on Capitol Hill would have to represent The People and not their friends in the special

interest classes.

SP

Posted by: Serving Patriot | 20 September 2008 at 05:45 PM

(In most other

advanaced nations, the executive leadership would resign to take responsibility for a disaster of this magnitude.

)That should be the first condition when the Dems negotiate this bailout package. Make John Warner caretake

president. The Dems cannot negotiate a package with the current White House in good faith. There is no

trust.

And yes, this is a rich-person bailout package. But is there an alternative?

Posted by: g.

powell | 20 September 2008 at 05:47 PM

What is it about these Republicans that makes them think they can

dictate to the Federal Courts and Congress?
I think it is important to distinguish between Republicans and

Regimists. The supine Democrats have done as much to empower these radicals as the party whose name they have

appropriated.

Posted by: rjj | 20 September 2008 at 05:48 PM

I put one comment in brackets to make it

stand out. I've always felt that 911 was such a failure that we did require new leadership afterwards, and now

this fiasco.

[belgareth]

I put

one comment in brackets to make it stand out. I've always felt that 911 was such a failure that we did require new

leadership afterwards, and now this fiasco.

Quotes from rabid liberals, so? I think your suggestion falls

under the catagory of "Any Excuse Will Do" Did you howl for Clinton's head when the patently artificial DotCom

bubble burst? How should Clinton be penalized for allowing the terrorists into this country in the first place?

[belgareth]

"As for

Al Gore winning the popular vote, work to change the system if you don't like it."

I think you already know

that I have been doing that exactly. I campaigned heartily during the NH primary for Ron Paul, manning phone banks

and doing other logistical work for the campaign. Today, my girlfriend and I are helping a woman running for State

Representative here by canvassing a nearby neighborhood with her, luckily - it's a gorgeous day here

today.

Good for you. I really mean that. No matter what we agree ar disagree about I truly respect somebody

who is working to achieve what they believe. Thank you for your effort.

But, it does not change the fact that

legally, under the laws in place at the time of the election, George Bush won. Losing then complaining and trying to

get the rules changed after the fact is plain silly.

It really pissed me off recently when the democrats took

delegate voting rights away from two states for breaking the rules then turned around and gave them back. You break

the rules in full knowledge of the consequences you should suffer the consequences without exception. The attitude

that the rules should be changed after the fact or not enforced is a big part of what is wrong with our society

today. No consequences for your actions.

[belgareth]

Bel,

are you saying that the 911 attack was a US Government sponsored event?

No, I'm saying that Clinton's

presidency let the terrorists into this country. The attack took months too plan, more months to find and properly

orient the right people then get them into this country. There is no way the attacks of 9/11 could have been pulled

off in under 18 months and more likely 2 years.

I'm not a paranoid imbicile and have no reason whatsoever to

believe anybody in this country's government would do something like that.

[belgareth]

Clinton, Gore, Obama may have socialist leaning tendencies but Bush is bringing the real

deal Socialism, with a capital S, to us this week. If Congress rubber stamps his proposal to bail out AIG it will be

their last act resulting in their complete loss of any power over the Executive branch. Of course, they will retain

their lofty titles, huge paychecks, perks, and top notch medical coverage but that's about it.

"Beyond the

Constitutional deficiencies, the bailout establishes a dangerous precedent enabling the Fed and/or Government to

nationalize virtually any business or property within the United States without legal authority or congressional

approval."

You should read the full article:



http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org...2008-09-18.htm

And others were already

screaming that the government had to bail out AIG or the economy would come apart. Like I said, no matter what he

did, in some people's eyes he would be wrong. It also mistates about congressional approval, which has to be

obtained.

Out of curiosity, what do you believe should be done in this situation? It is very easy to criticise

and complain but I see nothing in the way of constructive thought. Personally, I believe the feds owe it to the tax

payers to protect them from bad lending practices, which they did not do, and protect them from loss of their homes

and investments in the event of a failure like this. However, I do not believe the feds or the tax payers owe AIG

diddly squat and we should be holding the executives who made all the bad decisions criminally responsible.

I do

not like Bush and do not agree with the bailout but find the premise of it leading to a socialist state a little

far-fetched. Just out of curiosity, do you support nationalized healthcare aka Universal Healthcare?

In my

opinion, this country is moving more rapidly towards socialism all the time and I blame both parties for it. But

more than that I blame all those that think the country and the people owe them something for just breathing. A

recent example was Obama's statement that it is patriotic for high income earners to pay a greater percentage of

their income in taxes. What an utter crock of BS! How is it patriotic to work harder and smarter then get penalized

for it. The entire concept is no more than redistribution of the wealth.