Bush, for one.
On that
note,
Interesting
piece on the body language we witnessed duing the debate.
I listened to the first of the debates between Kerry and Bush yesterday. I thought both Kerry and Bush
presented fairly well.
I suppose it depends on who you are partial to already but after you watch or listen
to the debates post who you think is doing a better job making their arguments.
NPR is great:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?sto
ryId=4055740
It is a side question but which of the candidates do you believe is using pheromones?
Bush, for one.
On that
note,
Interesting
piece on the body language we witnessed duing the debate.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Phermones or not
I have a thing for Bush ... But I also had a thing for
Clinton too! I think I just like guys in suits. Heh!
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you can not do."
Yup. I've got a thing for bush too... Ooops. I'm sorry. You meant George Bush.Originally Posted by SweetBrenda
Didn't you?
Give truth a chance.
...or you just like powerful
men like every other woman in the world...
...after all, who better to support you for the rest of your life
than the man who could bring 10 men in suits to take down a person who just looked at you the wrong way?
Bush got crushed. He should
get some -mones from Bruce for the next debate.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I don't know that he got crushed but he did do pretty poorly. One comment I read implied that heOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
ran out of material and started repeating himself. That shows poor preperation. Pretty sad from somebody with the
resources he has to get prepared. Unfortunately, I was busy and didn'tsee it.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
He came off badly. Very badly.Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Idi Amin was pretty sexy, too.Originally Posted by SweetBrenda
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
HAHAHAHAH okayOriginally Posted by a.k.a.
that was pretty good I can't deny that!.. It was an open Target! You Are
good...
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you can not do."
I missed it too Bel. I was having a goodOriginally Posted by belgareth
time in the Sauna and I forgot all about it! I was upset for missing it because I actually wanted to watch
it. Oh Well!... I know who I'm going for so...
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you can not do."
I was working; trying to catch up on things that aren't getting done in the office becauseOriginally Posted by SweetBrenda
I am so busy in the field lately. Gods! I hate paperwork, especially government mandated paperwork that takes money
from me!
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
This reader mailbag struck me
as representative of the reactions I've seen on it.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6153466/site/newsweek/
Kerry was masterful and presidential by comparison. The debate ended mercifully for Bush, who was getting pummeled
by the end and lost the ability to defend himself. He kept endlessly repeating the same simplistic, semi-relevant
cliches; and was zoning out. He grimaced repeatedly in response to Kerry's on-target criticisms. His message came
across as hollow and impoverished. Carl Rove must have felt helpless. John McCain, prominent Republican and Bush
debate advisor, called the debate "John Kerry's brightest moment."
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Well, repeating yourself is
better than coming up with new material on the spot:
"What's the deal with Iraq? First of all, I'm still
trying to figure out what it is. Is this an ear rock or an eye rack? Is this someone exclaiming, "I rock!"? If
so, how did they know so long ago that it would catch on to mean that a person was cool? I don't understand it,
but if you vote for me, I promise you that these questions and more will be answered!"
That all said, I
think it's funny how a person's competency is judged by his ability to perform in front of millions of people.
How many scam artists have you seen persuade people but have no real ability to do anything besides put on a good
front and sell you something? How many 'Beautiful Minds' have you seen that couldn't do jack in front of a
television but could easily solve the world's greatest problems?
I'm not saying we'd be better off with a
genius with no public speaking skills, I'm just saying that I'm smart and could do a decent job at many
things...but you put me in front of 287 million people and tell me to give my views on foreign policy, I'm going to
make a mistake every once in a while. Life isn't a movie where Bush can repeat the line over and over again until
it sounds like Mel Gibson in Braveheart...but I guess you expect perfection from the most powerful man in the
world.
I didn’t watch the debates because
it would have probably just pissed me off.
Hope I didn’t miss anything.
Did Kerry reveal his exit
strategy from Iraq?
Did Bush explain what he was going to do about the trade deficit?
Did either candidate
mention a plan for dealing with climate change or the new strain of avian flu virus?
Unfortunately I’m
old enough to remember when the League of Women Voters used to sponsor these things. Candidates had to face some
pretty tough questions and the audience wasn’t just another prop.
The current model is just a forum for Dems
and Republicans to trade off pre-rehearsed soundbites.
Anyway I’d be very surprised if Kerry didn’t score
better than Bush.
Give truth a chance.
If a guy's a cocksucker in his life, when he dies, he don't become a saint. - Morris Levy, Hitmen
Holmes' Theme Song
Thanks Holmes. Now I'm I'm good
and pissed.
<signing off to go meditate. "Aummmm....">
Give truth a chance.
I believe the links in the
middle of this page have the whole debate ready for viewing.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITIC
S/10/01/debate.worldreax.ap/index.html
I don't think reading it makes it come across as well.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Originally Posted by DrSmellThisOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
hey! Doc thanks for the links!!!
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you can not do."
So are you voting?Originally Posted by a.k.a.
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you can not do."
* The debate was mostly about Iraq and the war on terror. domestic policy is next, I guess.Originally Posted by a.k.a.
*
It sounded less rehearsed than I anticipated, thankfully. We need more debates, and longer ones, IMHO. People are
starving for substance.
* I thought Kerry gave an appropriately general exit strategy, allowing for variations
in progress in security; diplomatic initiatives; reinforcement and shifting of focus on the ground (e.g., away from
just protecting oil sites), and transition to international support. He made it clear America has no long term
designs on Iraq. His plan was way more detailed than Bush's, and he often confronted Bush about having no plan
there.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Just in case it wasn't noticed
the first time I put a link up to the NPR web site that has recordings of the whole speach plus commentary and parts
of the whole speach. NPR kicks ass.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?s
toryId=4055740
The details of the Kerry exit plan are up on his web site from what I listened to.
OK. I feel betterOriginally Posted by a.k.a.
now.
Actualy Kerry did quite well on nuclear non-proliferation. Good job.
But I guess I was hoping for a
replay of a much more forceful response to an unjust and unnecessary war:
Reporter: "How would YOU suggest we
get US troops out of Vietnam?"
Young Idealistic John Kerry: "On ships."
And, yes, I do plan to vote.
Give truth a chance.
This amateur analysis from the
Newsweek "reader mailbag" recalled one particularly dominant moment:
"The pivotal exchange was triggered by
Bush saying we went to war to punish our attackers. Kerry nailed him on the fact that Osama bin Laden attacked us
... Bush compounded his mistake with a retort that was straight from Will Ferrell of 'Saturday Night Live': 'I
know it was Osama bin Laden!'"
Priceless.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
I think the debate went well
for Kerry. He came off Presidential and more than that, he is simply right. If he can do that or better for two more
rounds I thinik he is headed for the whitehouse.
One area I thought could have been nailed down
a little more was the human cost of Iraq. Kerry offered a figure on the death toll, but nothing on the number with
permanent injuries. I'm just knit picking though.
There are so manyOriginally Posted by deepblue
ways Kerry could have been stronger on Iraq, but his position is too close to Bush’s for him to offer anything more
than nuance.
“I am going to lead those troops to victory.” Is not an exit strategy.
He blames
Bush for misleading the American people, which is true. But then he also says his message to the troops is “Help is
on the way.” As an example of this so-called help he offers us the dream of a summit which is supposed to bring more
of our “allies” into the conflict.
Once upon a time John Kerry used to be clear headed and to the
point. But when you spend the better part of your career compromising your principles, your mind starts getting
muddled up with rationalizations. The more intelligent you are, the more convincing your rationalizations sound. But
Kerry’s position on Iraq is still a muddle and the Bush camp is going to get as much milage off of this weakness as
they can.
Give truth a chance.
I like the body language
article. PBS talked to some bodylanguage people after the debate, and they didn't touch on any of the points of
that article. They were criticizing Bush for leaning on the podium and praising him for addressing the camera. And
praising Kerry for looking confident and presidential but criticizing him for talking to Lehrer instead of to the
American people.
And I saw on some useless celebrity news show abotu the Wives being dressed almost identically
in Oscar de larenta. You can even see heinz-kerry point to thier outfits when they greet each other at the end of
the debate. That was pretty funny.
I personally think 90 minutes is too long for foreign policy. Maybe if it
was all of foreign policy, but this was almost entirely Iraq. And there isn't 90 minutes of substantive Iraq.
BTW, Kerry wouldn't go into Iraq without the UN but wants bilateral talks with N. Korea???
I wondered about that at first
too, but the bilateral talks thing was misportrayed by Bush as Kerry chasing away China's and other neighboring
countries' pressure on N. Korea. I wish Kerry would have explained it better. If I understood it correctly, he's
not subtracting anything -- he's adding talks with N. Korea. Every country should be talking with Korea.
There should be a multilateral non-proliferation summit over there too. But Bush is an advocate of "my way or the
highway" approaches to "diplomacy" as opposed to talks, even if they involve more than one country. But that is
not the way people and relationships work. Intensive diplomacy involving actual discussion is what most often
produces results, not just threats and punitive pressure. Bush tends to make last resorts be first. You very quickly
run out of trump cards when you play your hand that way. We don't have enough military resources to take over too
many (if any) more countries.
I do understand some people losing interest if they don't like politics, but
ninety minutes was not enough to scratch the surface in Iraq or any other kind of foreign policy. Americans too
often base their knowledge on sound bites, innuendo and rumor. Debates don't solve that problem, (and they can even
perpetuate it, depending on the debate) but at least they're potentially more substantive than most media
presentations of the issues; and get people thinking.
DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/bush.
ap/index.html
Does this type of political rhetoric strike anyone else as prepubescent garbage, on so many
levels? Could anyone really be gullible enough to swallow this verbal Ipecac?
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DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)
Kerry was the
better student at Yale. He is a seasoned warrior, leader, a articulate Senator with a solid experience base in world
affairs. He appears more presidential because he is more presidential. George W. Bush is a pampered C student who
really hasn't matured beyond the big man on campus syndrome. If he gets beyond a sound bite in thought or word he
fades into simple non verbal facial gestures, tics ,and contemptuous sneers that remind me of the Alfred E. Newman
character in MAD Magazine. If he was working for a living he would have been fired long ago. I doubt it if he could
make it to the first level of application for Trump's Apprentice Program.
Turn the sound off on your TV and
watch the non-verbal language it is very revealing.
Elk
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