2nd-graders caught in murder plot?!

[belgareth]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Most people who own guns generally distrust the

government....I just don\'t see as living in America the great need of protecting your family especially those who

live in suburbs.

I do not know what you have been through, have you ever been attacked by someone, or at a point

where you needed a gun for self defense....I also think people like the power of having a gun, they get off to it,

and they love shooting it like blowing a load, and there is no way to ever know if everyone who has a gain is a

responsible up standing member of society. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

You go in for the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back

that up?

[tallmacky]

Bel.....I happen to have owned a bee bee gun...It was C02 powered....So I happen to be pretty bad ass too.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I don\'t care much about guns, I haven\'t been shot in

the balls yet, so I am happy, excuse my \"debate\" it was me just drveling and partially talking to

myself.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[DrSmellThis]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Don\'t turn around on them

Dr.smellthis they may grab a pencil and create a bunch of lead holes in your back, then duct tape your mouth shut

and throw you into a bathtub where they pour soap all over you.....


Do you see the danger?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Been there,

done that.

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Don\'t turn around on them Dr.smellthis they may

grab a pencil and create a bunch of lead holes in your back, then duct tape your mouth shut and throw you into a

bathtub where they pour soap all over you.....

Do you see the danger?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

LMAO

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[tallmacky]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain

diseased to where parents can\'t make everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems)



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Well that is my point. We consider serial killers evil, and

they have frontal cortex problems....and a whole laundry list of other things....By evil I did not mean soul, but

brain which is our temporary soul...So if a kid lacks any sort of remorse (unable to register the emotion) for

example and enjoys pulling out his little brothers hair, and choking cats, then I consider him \"evil\".

[DrSmellThis]

OK, I get where you\'re coming from. The difference is you treat brain damaged, and see at as another

yourself, but give up on evil, and see it as separate.

[tallmacky]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
OK, I get where you\'re coming from. The

difference is you treat brain damaged, and see at as another yourself, but give up on evil, and see it as separate.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Is treating brain damage possible? I know no matter what a child

molestor says, I wouldn\'t trust him or take him on his word, same goes for many mental dysfuntions.

I am

giving up on Evil, I just miss the children of the corn is all. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[tallmacky]

Today\'s love-scent topics? Guns and evil kids.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Pancho1188]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that

is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing

field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No

matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept

and everyone in your house has to accept.

Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in

the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically

some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual

abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all

of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it

usually.

So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain diseased to where parents

can\'t make everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems). I\'ve never seen anything

approaching an \"evil kid\" as a child psychologist, and I\'ve worked with tons of \"very bad\" ones over the

years. The ones that looked the worst often ended up being my favorites to work with.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

I don\'t want to get into semantics (I\'ve always wanted to say that

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]), but if children can\'t be evil, then by definition adults

have a hell of a time being evil as well. If you think about it, adults are only a product of growing up as

children. Adults are held accountable because they supposedly understand or should understand the consequences of

their actions as well as the moral fibers that hold together society while children do not have the cognitive

capacity to see past their own existence or the near future due to the stages of cognitive development. However, if

a \"damaged\" child is not evil because he doesn\'t understand the above concepts, then if he grows older and

still has not been taught such moral ideas (the value of human life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness), how can he

be considered evil now when he\'s never been led in the \"right direction\"? The only way a person could be

\'evil\' is if they grew up as a normal, law-abiding child and somehow as an adult understood right and wrong,

believed in the rules, and committed violent, destructive acts despite all of this.

Or they\'re all just really

messed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I\'m just giving you a hard time, don\'t listen

to me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]



Seriously, though, that being a hole in the world of

logic, it\'s a moral dilemma when you can call a grown person \'evil\' when they might just be a product of

witnessing evil their whole lives to the point that that\'s all they know. It\'s sad when you think about it

because I could be a mean, hurtful, cold-blooded killer as an adult if that\'s all I knew as a child...and that

would make me an evil human being.

Ouch...philosophical overload...must go lie down...

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[tallmacky]

Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids,

or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or

even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.

Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[tallmacky]

I think people are watching too much \"Children are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap.

Sure they are, but this total focus on children has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.

[Pancho1188]

You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse, and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only

have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are unable to make it on their own, and you are the only

one who can save one of them. Who do you save?

[CJ01]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You\'re on a boat with your mother, your spouse,

and your baby. The boat is sinking, and you only have the strength to take one back to shore. The others are unable

to make it on their own, and you are the only one who can save one of them. Who do you save?




<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> pancho, that reminds me of the announcements some cabin crews came up with to

get the passengers attention at during the safety routine. Part of it was something like (in case of emergency) `If

you have a child with you, do this and that and if you have more than one child with you on board decide which one

you like better and keep in mind that the older one tends to move out first´

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[DrSmellThis]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I think people are watching too much

\"Children are miracles and our future\" \"they do no wrong!\" Oprah crap. Sure they are, but this total focus

on children has gone a bit too far to a point of oversatuation.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">
What TV shows do you watch, Tallmacky?

[tallmacky]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
What TV shows do you watch, Tallmacky?

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Ummm well my favorite show is \"Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)\"

The guy thinks just the way I do...rarely have I disagreed with anything he has said....ahhh a mentor and he is

Godlike! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Someone here also got me addicted to Scrubs which is

perfection...[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Discovery channel, I can even stomach Bill

O\'reilly who has a few good points.....and Hookers on the point. Shows the pimp and hoe relationship....good for

laughs...\"Where my money?\"

What do you watch Dr.? Have you ever watched scramble softcore porn on cable?

Could time to work out the natural smegma as lube! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You must be a

Discovery Channel fan too eh?

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to

hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of

evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit

overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that

you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.

Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents

until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than

other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to

violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can

be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large

percentage of it usually.

So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

It\'s true that some kids are evil. I once had, on my caseload, a 13

year old serial rapist. Sociopathic Personality Disorder-- no ability to empathize, whatever. Thought to be innate.



However, adults still need to keep the guns and ammo locked up.

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people

even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun

hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are

with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your

house has to accept.

Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is

probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just

EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,

and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because

their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.

So watch out

for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Kids aren\'t evil, IMO, but they can be brain diseased to where parents can\'t make

everything all better (violence often = frontal, temporal lobe problems). I\'ve never seen anything approaching an

\"evil kid\" as a child psychologist, and I\'ve worked with tons of \"very bad\" ones over the years. The ones

that looked the worst often ended up being my favorites to work with.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

I don\'t want to get into semantics (I\'ve always wanted to say that

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]), but if children can\'t be evil, then by definition adults

have a hell of a time being evil as well. If you think about it, adults are only a product of growing up as

children. Adults are held accountable because they supposedly understand or should understand the consequences of

their actions as well as the moral fibers that hold together society while children do not have the cognitive

capacity to see past their own existence or the near future due to the stages of cognitive development. However, if

a \"damaged\" child is not evil because he doesn\'t understand the above concepts, then if he grows older and

still has not been taught such moral ideas (the value of human life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness), how can he

be considered evil now when he\'s never been led in the \"right direction\"? The only way a person could be

\'evil\' is if they grew up as a normal, law-abiding child and somehow as an adult understood right and wrong,

believed in the rules, and committed violent, destructive acts despite all of this.

Or they\'re all just really

messed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I\'m just giving you a hard time, don\'t listen

to me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]



Seriously, though, that being a hole in the world of

logic, it\'s a moral dilemma when you can call a grown person \'evil\' when they might just be a product of

witnessing evil their whole lives to the point that that\'s all they know. It\'s sad when you think about it

because I could be a mean, hurtful, cold-blooded killer as an adult if that\'s all I knew as a child...and that

would make me an evil human being.

Ouch...philosophical overload...must go lie down...

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

There are

also bad people that have never been abused, and good people who have been abused badly. It\'s a mystery.

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are

well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America

is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like

murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are

babied and age is usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes

he is evil and was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not

do harm?

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that

is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing

field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No

matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept

and everyone in your house has to accept.

Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in

the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically

some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual

abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all

of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it

usually.

So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

are proud to have.

Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I own guns,

and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

People also

didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

weapons permit.

Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical

smallarms safety tests.

BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

something.

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Most people who own guns generally distrust the government....I just don\'t

see as living in America the great need of protecting your family especially those who live in suburbs.

I do not

know what you have been through, have you ever been attacked by someone, or at a point where you needed a gun for

self defense....I also think people like the power of having a gun, they get off to it, and they love shooting it

like blowing a load, and there is no way to ever know if everyone who has a gain is a responsible up standing member

of society. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

You go in for the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back that up?

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Well, gun control is said to be tightest in WDC-- which is also one of the

highest areas for violent crime.

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Bel.....I happen to have owned a bee bee gun...It

was C02 powered....So I happen to be pretty bad ass too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I

don\'t care much about guns, I haven\'t been shot in the balls yet, so I am happy, excuse my \"debate\" it was

me just drveling and partially talking to myself.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

ROFL!

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
This is quiete insane. At that age we had pocket

knives maybe but we knew better than to attack others with them even when I was mega pissed off with someone I´d

have never dreamed of doing that [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Parents who give their kids

easy access to weapons and don´t manage to teach their kids right from wrong shouldn´t be allowed to own weapons

fullstop. And those kids need a good verbal blasting to get some decency drilled into their young sad minds.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

What she said.

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
There\'s virtually always a lot going on

with the parents, and siblings, when kids do that. I agree that the parents should be held responsible.

Guns are

hard to keep safe in homes with children. Kids find keys, or someone forgets to lock something. If you have

seriously emotionally disturbed kids, even if they\'re apparently neither suicidal nor homicidal, owning guns is

probably just a very bad idea, even though we have a right to have them. Countless things could happen. I bet

there were major warning signs years ago, which makes the parents doubly responsible.

On the other hand, PET

scans of the kid\'s brains would probably be remarkable too. Major chemical imbalances are also likely. But this

kind of disturbance doesn\'t just appear suddenly some morning.

Everybody needs a ton of therapy (with

somebody good, like me [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) and/or psychiatric treatment. Child

Protective Services need to be heavily involved in home as well.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

What he said.

[belgareth]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Why do people

even own guns? I mean if you like to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun

hunting a deer with a spear, it kind of evens out the playing field a bit more.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a bit overrated....No matter how safe you are

with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk that you have to accept and everyone in your

house has to accept.

Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents until we are blue in the face, and that is

probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than other kids. Basically some kids are just

EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to violence, sexual abuse, serial killing,

and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can be, and not all of them act bad because

their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large percentage of it usually.

So watch out

for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To protect them from

themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when Florida became a

concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who is so weak in

punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any normal,

responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many are proud

to have.

Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers than are

even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I own guns, and see the

value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions. Because any home

that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

People also didn\'t shoot up

McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed weapons permit.



Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available to people

who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the firing

range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical smallarms

safety tests.

BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper targets.

I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of something.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Agreed! Emphatically

[belgareth]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Yes I know Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their

actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I

still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve

life in jail or death (debatable [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is

usually used as a exploitation. Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and

was \"f$cked up\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

If the dog can learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not

do harm?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

That\'s in part because parents are so concerned with

being friends with their kids that they cannot be parents. When a dog bites or gets too aggressive, you let it

know-FIRMLY! When a kid bites or gets too aggressive you hear \"Oh, &lt;Insert name here&gt; be nice now.\" No

discipline or consequenses for their actions. then the parents can\'t figure out why they are intolerable

monsters. It\'s a way of showing your kids you love them. Set bounderies and help them learn to be a part of

society.

[belgareth]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Most people

who own guns generally distrust the government....I just don\'t see as living in America the great need of

protecting your family especially those who live in suburbs.

I do not know what you have been through, have you

ever been attacked by someone, or at a point where you needed a gun for self defense....I also think people like the

power of having a gun, they get off to it, and they love shooting it like blowing a load, and there is no way to

ever know if everyone who has a gain is a responsible up standing member of society.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

You go in for

the standard anti-gun BS to, huh? You have facts to back that up?

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Well, gun control is said to be tightest in WDC-- which is also one of the highest areas for

violent crime.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Gee, what a surprise.

[thingscouldwork]

Anyone watch \"Bowling for Columbine\"?

I couldn\'t believe that you get shooter for OPENING AN

ACCOUNT IN A BANK!! First comment after receiving it:

\"Don\'t you think it\'s a little dangerous, handing

out guns in a bank??\" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyway, I found it quite interesting

(and the cartoon-part is even funny to some extent!)...

[Kari]

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Yes I know

Pancho, some kids are just evil, and are well aware of their actions. The whole \"What about the kids, or how will

the kids handle this.\" stuff in America is way over done. I still feel if a 13, 14, 15 year old or even younger

who has done something criminal say like murder, they deserve life in jail or death (debatable

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). Kids are babied and age is usually used as a exploitation.

Jeffery Dahmer was cutting up animals when he was younger, and yes he is evil and was \"f$cked up\"

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If the dog can

learn that it may not bite people, why can\'t a child learn that s/he may not do harm?

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That\'s in part because parents are so concerned with being friends with

their kids that they cannot be parents. When a dog bites or gets too aggressive, you let it know-FIRMLY! When a kid

bites or gets too aggressive you hear \"Oh, &lt;Insert name here&gt; be nice now.\" No discipline or consequenses

for their actions. then the parents can\'t figure out why they are intolerable monsters. It\'s a way of showing

your kids you love them. Set bounderies and help them learn to be a part of society.

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What he said.

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Why do people even own guns? I mean if you like

to hunt animals I guess that is an ok reason, but wouldn\'t you have more fun hunting a deer with a spear, it kind

of evens out the playing field a bit more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think that right is a

bit overrated....No matter how safe you are with that, if you had kids in your house, you still run a small risk

that you have to accept and everyone in your house has to accept.

Let\'s face it, we can talk about the parents

until we are blue in the face, and that is probably a \'cause of the situation, but some kids are just worse than

other kids. Basically some kids are just EVIL. In this world we have those that are smarter, quicker, more prone to

violence, sexual abuse, serial killing, and these fundementals apply to children. Not all children are sweet as can

be, and not all of them act bad because their parents weren\'t there to slap their hand, though that is a large

percentage of it usually.

So watch out for Chucky. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Is there some reason a person should not be allowed to own a gun? To

protect them from themselves? Look up some crime rate statistics. A good set are the before and after ones when

Florida became a concealed carry state. I hate to sound militant but do you really believe that the government, who

is so weak in punishing criminals is going to protect me and my family? Even despite that, why shouldn\'t any

normal, responsible person be able to own a gun? If nothing else, accurate shooting is a hard won skill that many

are proud to have.

Reality is that more people are killed by car accidents, incompetent doctors and drunk drivers

than are even injured by non-criminal gun owners.

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I own guns,

and see the value of it. Where I was raised, violent crime was comparatively low-- particularly home invasions.

Because any home that a criminal might choose to invade was likely to have a shooter in residence.

People also

didn\'t shoot up McDonalds, because chances are that at least one of the patrons was likely to have a concealed

weapons permit.

Now this might get me flamed, but... I think that concealed weapons permits should be available

to people who:
1) Have no criminal record,
2) Have demonstrated marksmanship at an \"expert\" level on the

firing range,
3) Have passed a NRA endorsed smallarms safety course, and
4) Have passed written and practical

smallarms safety tests.

BTW-- I own guns, but do not hunt. The only things that I have ever killed are many paper

targets. I also practice archery. The fun is in the development of marksmanship skills-- not in the harming of

something.

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Agreed! Emphatically

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And.. though I am a 120# woman, if a criminal chose to invade my home with the intention of

doing harm....he\'s probably toast. Because his weapons skills are likely to be inferior to mine. I\'m trained,

he probably isn\'t.

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Anyone watch \"Bowling for Columbine\"?

I

couldn\'t believe that you get shooter for OPENING AN ACCOUNT IN A BANK!! First comment after receiving

it:

\"Don\'t you think it\'s a little dangerous, handing out guns in a bank??\"

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Anyway, I found it quite interesting (and the cartoon-part is

even funny to some extent!)...

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Loved Bowling for

Columbine!

BTW-- A bank robber in West L.A. was apprehended after he left his gun behind. He called the bank,

later, and asked whether he could come by and pick it up.