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    Default Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

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    Got my Wednesday special of WAGG in the mail last night and tried it out at work this morning. I

    applied two or three drops to the wrists and rubbed them together. Meant to only use one drop but at least two came

    out before I could stop it. Since the label says to apply it to clothing, I put another drop on my pant leg.

    (Didn\'t want to take the chance of staining my shirt.)

    I don\'t know about being a \"Great Guy,\" but I

    did feel pretty good. My attitude at work has been at an all time low these last few weeks and I\'ve had a bit of

    contempt for certain people there.

    None of that today. No anger or depression. I was more outgoing than I have

    been in quite awhile. Even started a conversation with one of the people I\'m a bit disgusted with. Since he

    started working for my company, I\'ve wondered if he was the same person who I had mutual friends with in high

    school. Turns out he is and once he realized he used to know me, he got really talkative, a bit more than I wanted.

    Kind of disappointed now he is who I thought he was. In high school he was kind of cool and now I can\'t hold as

    much contempt towards him. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

    Only female interaction was in the

    hallway when I was picking up a box of cable. I\'m an electronic technician and do some cable installation. I was

    kind of sweaty and my shirt was partially untucked.This woman who I\'m attracted to came out of her office.

    She\'s out of my league and attached, lives with a Special Forces soldier and is considered by many as kind of a

    b!tch. I usually say \"hi\" when we pass. Today, the inflection in her voice sounded a little friendlier when she

    returned the greeting.

    Now all of this could be placebo affect, but it does make me think I made a good

    investment. As for feeling sleepy, I work 10 hour days, 12 with lunch and the drive and only get about 6 hours of

    sleep on work nights. I get sleepy most every afternoon and did so today, so I can\'t judge whether it was the

    WAGG or just my usual fatigue.

    This weekend, I thought of mixing the WAGG with the half an open package of SOEg I

    have. But reading pasts threads, this doesn\'t sound like a good idea. I haven\'t found the original discussion

    on this mix yet. What exactly are the perceived problems with this combination?

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    WAGG & SOE are similar products. SOE has nol and WAGG ?. The combo doesn\'t work well. I get

    tired and down on myself when using it. Others around me get headaches.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    What exactly are the perceived

    problems with this combination?


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I believe a few people

    reported getting \'depressed\' when mixing SOE and WAGG, but I have done this without any adverse effects. I

    don\'t recall which threads discuss this, but for some reason I believe Franki was one of the ones that got

    depressed, so maybe you could send him a PM.
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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    WAGG &amp; SOE are similar

    products.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Not sure that I totally agree w/ that statement. It may be

    okay to say that they can have a similar effect of providing a certain level of comfort to a mix.

    IMHO, SOE

    relaxes ppl and they are more chatty, but WAGG seems to encourage ppl to divulge very personal info...like

    confessions, maybe.

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    SOE has nol and WAGG

    ?.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">SOE contains nol and rone. WAGG contains previously unutilized

    pheros

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    The combo doesn\'t work well. I get

    tired and down on myself when using it. Others around me get headaches.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">I\'m curious...how much SOE did you use. Given the fact that nol has a relaxing effect and

    induces headaches at high dosages, my initial impression is that you ODed on SOE. I\'ve never had SOE+WAGG make

    me feel down on myself, but that\'s just me.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    WAGG &amp; SOE are similar products.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">Not sure that I totally agree w/ that statement. It may be okay to say that they can have a

    similar effect of providing a certain level of comfort to a mix.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    I\'m not sure I agree either. I have not used WAGG personally, but IIRC, the women who

    beta-tested WAGG didn\'t see much reaction at all from it, except maybe Frenchie. That doesn\'t sound similar to

    -nol.

    I will have to dig up that thread and re-read it.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    What exactly are the perceived problems with this combination?


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    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I believe a few people reported getting \'depressed\' when mixing SOE

    and WAGG, but I have done this without any adverse effects. I don\'t recall which threads discuss this, but for

    some reason I believe Franki was one of the ones that got depressed, so maybe you could send him a PM.


    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
    Goss

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    Goss-



    I\'m curious about how much SOE and WAGG you\'ve been using. I also have found that SOE and WAGG can work

    well together in the right proportion...or at least the proportion that\'s right for me. What I\'ve found from

    my testing is that the closer you get to equal ratios of the two, the less effective the combo is. I have found

    that a ratio of about 5 SOE:1 WAGG works best for me.

    It\'s certainly possible that the combo doesn\'t work

    well for some...not sure how much those ppl used or how much they tested the combo. It took me a while to figure out

    what worked for me.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    Howdy Playboy. I really enjoy your clear, concise writing style. It is pleasure to read. And also quite

    interesting.Having said that, I wish you the best of luck in your phermone endevors. However, don\'t be

    surprised if you don\'t get the results you would like. I was wondering how you think you relate with women?

    Particually, ones that you are attracted to. If you don\'t wish to answer this, I understand. Just trying to get a

    bit more insight on you.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    Hey Sag.... I\'ve been using using 1d WAGG split between my eyebrows and a 4\" swipe of SOE on the

    inside of each wrist.

    I think it may all come down to how much you apply and where you apply it.... keeping them

    an arms length apart seemed to work for me from the start (as I had read of people getting depressed) so I never had

    a reason to change my aplication points. Don\'t know how they would interact applied closer together.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    Thanks for the remarks tongue. Don\'t worry about me being disappointed about the results of

    my pheromone experiments. I\'ve actually been using products like these (Andros) since around the mid 80\'s, so

    I don\'t expect a miracle cure.

    You asked about my views on how I relate to women, especially ones I\'m

    attracted to. It seems that a lot of my relationships with women wind up in the LJBF category. As for attraction, it

    seems the stronger it is towards a woman, the shyer I feel and the harder it is to break the ice. Once I get to know

    someone a bit, there\'s no problem. When I mentioned that one woman was \"out of my league,\" I meant that if

    buff, killing machine guys (Special Forces soldier) are the type she goes for, I\'m the opposite of that. A

    somewhat shy electronics nerd.

    That\'s why I like Realm, and think I\'m going to like WAGG and SOE. I\'m

    looking for products to make me feel more comfortable about myself in social and work situations. Not that I

    wouldn\'t like to have my bones jumped by a hot woman or two. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]



    Products like NPA and Andros make me feel too self-conscious. And since I caught that guy trying to pick my

    pocket at a club and he came back time and again, to confront me afterwards, I\'ve quit the Andros stuff

    completely. You\'d think that if one got caught in a crime, one would want to disappear quickly. Not make a

    spectacle of one\'s self. I can only return to the conclusion that the pheromones in the cologne I had on were

    making him more aggressive.

    I do plan to experiment a bit still with NPA and other products Bruce offers here. I

    like the fact that you just use a drop or two of most of them and can then use a regular cologne to cover them.

    I\'ve only recently received some of the SOE gel pack samples and just got a bottle of WAGG, so I haven\'t had a

    chance of trying them in combination with NPA. Right now, I\'m trying them on their own to see what the effect

    is.

    Thanks everyone for the input to my posts so far.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    Try The Edge instead IMO.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    Instead of...? NPA?

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    It seems you may be concerned about having too much none on. Edge comes in a bigger bottle and is

    diluted. Harder to OD on Edge and get adverse effects IMO. I have OD on NPA a couple times but never using the Edge.


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    Playboy,I don\'t have much time to respond. It sounds like you end up in the LJBF zone, because you

    are afraid to make a sexual move. You say you are shy with women you re attracted to. That will get you nowhere.

    You must conquer the fear of rejection. You sound like you have a lot going for you. Good vocational job and

    backround. Good writer, and come off as very intelligent. You need to use your stengths and work on your social

    weakness. Phermones may be of some help. Hey I gotta run, more later.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You asked about my views on how I

    relate to women, especially ones I\'m attracted to. It seems that a lot of my relationships with women wind up in

    the LJBF category.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You remind me of myself. (Do you sometimes go

    \"Oh crap, here we go again\" when someone tells you what a wonderful friend you are?)

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I\'m really looking forward to seeing more of your posts, and

    what works for you.

    Greets!

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You asked about my views on how I relate to women, especially ones I\'m

    attracted to. It seems that a lot of my relationships with women wind up in the LJBF category.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You remind me of myself. (Do you sometimes go \"Oh crap, here we go

    again\" when someone tells you what a wonderful friend you are?) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    I\'m really looking forward to seeing more of your posts, and what works for you.

    Greets!


    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Not to confuse things anymore than they already are, but there can be a

    twist to the LJBF thing. Sometimes, if a girl is attracted to a guy but he never makes a move or leads her to think

    he\'s also attracted to her as more than a friend, she will refer to him as \'such a good friend\' because

    that\'s how she believes HE perceives their relationship. It doesn\'t always mean she\'s not interested.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Not to confuse things anymore than they

    already are, but there can be a twist to the LJBF thing. Sometimes, if a girl is attracted to a guy but he never

    makes a move or leads her to think he\'s also attracted to her as more than a friend, she will refer to him as

    \'such a good friend\' because that\'s how she believes HE perceives their relationship. It doesn\'t always

    mean she\'s not interested. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    I\'ll give you a tip for dating me: be emancipated and make the first move. If I really like

    you, I\'ll be mortally afraid of screwing up because I can\'t just alter your subroutines later.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (I\'ve loosened up quite a bit now, but I really used to be

    like this. Years ago, I was convinced that, if I made that first move, I\'d be forever branded as the loser who

    was stuk up enough to ask a beautiful girl, and would forever have to carry the burden of rejection. Or something

    like that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] )

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    Default I need to move to a bigger city

    The best response I\'ve gotten to anything since I started getting interested in mones again was

    Thursday, when my boss treated me to lunch. I consider the WAGG had an influence on this as he was celebrating the

    fact that I found the problem in the equipment I was repairing. It took me all week to find something I felt should

    have fixed in a day. Especially since it took me almost a day to identify a blown fuse. Then at the end of the day,

    I shut it down as I felt it wasn\'t operating safely enough without supervision to leave it running all weekend.

    (It\'s a UPS system - uninterruptable power supply. Not a desktop system but one that takes up two small

    buildings. One houses the electronics and the other houses the battery bank. The batteries were charging and

    emmitting hydrogen, setting off alarms. As hydrogen\'s highly explosive, I didn\'t feel right leaving the thing

    alone since I didn\'t know how much longer they would continue to charge.)

    Anyway,other than the lunch

    treat, it\'s been pretty disappointing for the mone experiments. Got some TE last week and did a spray and a half

    on Friday (I have three day weekends) and another spray today. Went to our local \"mall\" (you can walk through it

    in about 60 seconds), two bookstores and a couple of other stores. Not many targets to choose from. Women with their

    kids, teenage girls and couples. In fact, I don\'t think I saw anyone in my age group (44 years old). This town

    supposedly has a population of over 77,000 people but you sure can\'t tell. Well, in the winter, it\'s congested

    with senior citizen \"snowbirds\" and in the summer, it\'s too hot to do anything.

    I need to move to

    Phoenix or San Diego. The Fashion Valley mall in San Diego is my favorite place for girl watching. But the cost of

    living is so high there. Phoenix has a lot to offer in the arts and entertainment categories, but it\'s just as

    hot as the area in Arizona where I live.

    Haven\'t given up yet, and am still looking forward to the April

    1st announcement. But I\'m starting to think that it may just be a waste of product to wear it regularly in this

    town to look for hits. I\'ll try again though, as I was hoping to get an idea of how things work before my next

    vacation.

    WAGG is another story as I think that\'s a good one for me to use at work to help my attitude

    and my interactions with others.

    The county fair is next week. Maybe I should try there. At least if I OD, I

    can attribute it to the livestock there. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    Edited to add

    that the sprays of TE were to the chest on Friday and the groin on Sunday, covered by clothing. Guess I\'ll have

    to try the recommended dab method.

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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Yes, an interesting question -- how much phero to wear when at a

    livestock fair. Let\'s see... What to recommend? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]



    Perhaps you should

    a) snort a lot while keeping in mind a vivid image of stampeding amorous,

    libidinous pigs.

    b) try not to wear red, unless you like that kind of thing.

    c) do wear some

    crotchless chaps, and

    d) yell, \"Wilburrrrr!\" in 10 minute intervals.

    Hope this helps.

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    IP,

    Plan a heavy A-None OD for the County Fair and go hang out around the swine pen. * If you\'re sufficiently

    dosed up, a prize sow may just \"assume the position\" for you.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

    http://w

    ww.antecint.co.uk/main/boarmate.htm


    It doesn\'t sound like you live in a very exciting town,
    and at

    least this would be SOMETHING INTERESTING. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    *(For Entertainment

    Purposes Only!) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    Oscar

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    That\'s right, Oscar; that\'s the goal.

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    Doc,

    Your post wasn\'t up yet when I started my reply.
    Shoulda known that you\'d be hypin\' the

    behavioral, where I chose to prescribe. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    Oscar

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: I need to move to a bigger city

    Actually, you both had the same idea I did when I thought about wearing mones to the fair. Just to see

    an interesting reaction.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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    I

    find this topic pretty interesting as it addresses a few things that have been happening to me over the past year

    and a half since we moved up here. The women here (White Mountains of NH, somewhat sparsely populated)tend to be a

    bit on the heavy side as a whole and they dress mostly in jeans and flannel shirts. I have had hardly any

    \"hits\" in this neck of the woods. Mostly I find that wearing pheromones here mainly brings out aggressive

    behaviors in men here who are already a bit on the aggressive side (loggers and such). The few hits I\'ve gotten

    from women were from older ones (too old for me for sure, not that I\'m all that young - 53). I have had much

    much better luck (hits) in the cities (Tampa, NY or Boston)that I\'ve lived in or near the past 5 years since I

    started using pheromones. Also, this past winter and the one before I have gotten depressed for what I thought was

    just general lack of sunshine and bitter cold but it may also be that the SOE I wear is helping this along, not sure

    though. At any rate, we\'re moving again, to Portsmouth this time and I have my hopes up.

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    \"The

    Fashion Valley mall in San Diego is my favorite place for girl watching\"

    Horton Plaza is pretty good too. You

    coming in from Yuma?? If so, I can feel ya\' about the shortage of women. My exit from the 8 is the Buckman

    Springs rest stop. Then up into the hills. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    You got me pegged, Mtnjim. I usually stop at the Buckman springs rest to stretch my legs. Did that fire

    last fall get close to you? I noticed in December that it had burnt on both sides of the freeway in places near

    Alpine.

    I like FV better than HP. It\'s right near where I stay and I don\'t feel like I\'m in an M.C.

    Escher drawing like I do at Horton. Horton Plaza\'s geometry seems to keep me moving and not stop anywhere for

    long.

    I was wondering if anyone would figure out my location, having mentioned both San Diego and Phoenix.

    That\'s about the best thing about Yuma is that it half way between the two cities. Takes about 2.5 hours for me

    to drive to either one.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You got me pegged, Mtnjim. I usually stop at the

    Buckman springs rest to stretch my legs. Did that fire last fall get close to you? I noticed in December that it had

    burnt on both sides of the freeway in places near Alpine.

    I like FV better than HP. It\'s right near where

    I stay and I don\'t feel like I\'m in an M.C. Escher drawing like I do at Horton. Horton Plaza\'s geometry

    seems to keep me moving and not stop anywhere for long.

    I was wondering if anyone would figure out my

    location, having mentioned both San Diego and Phoenix. That\'s about the best thing about Yuma is that it half way

    between the two cities. Takes about 2.5 hours for me to drive to either one.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    The fire got to the north slope of Pine Valley, they evacuated to Lake Morena.

    Was

    without power for a week though. My refrigerator has never been cleaner.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    Probably

    only people from around here could figure out where you were.



    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    Ya, HP does have some strange layout.

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    Default Re: Newbie\'s First Day Impression of WAGG

    Well over a month now since I renewed my interest in pheromones. Wish I had some great sexual

    hits to report by now, but nothing yet. Not really much of a social scene aside from bars in this town, but I\'ve

    been hitting book and craft stores on the weekends. Not giving up yet.

    I must repeat my feelings though, that the

    best effect of mones so far have been on myself. Besides the subject of this thread, WAGG, I\'ve been using SOE,

    TE and my two year old bottle of NPA. (Not to mention my former favorite cologne, Realm.) I don\'t use TE/NPA

    together of course, but one or the other, alone or combined with SOE, Realm, Pheros and/or WAGG.

    I feel like when

    I wear TE/NPA, I stand a little straighter, hold my stomach in a little more and just have a stronger feeling of

    confidence. I\'m also starting to feel a psychological addiction to these products. I try to do a couple of non

    mone days, as has been recommended in this forum, but I still feel like I want to use them on those days.

    I was

    going to just stick to SOE or WAGG, maybe combined with Realm or Pheros at work, but this week I found myself using

    TE and NPA on a couple of days. There is still the self-consciousness I\'ve always had about mones that I\'m

    wearing too much with NPA/TE, even with one small dab of NPA from a vial with a 1/4 inch opening. But Thursday, I

    did that one dab on my chest, with a little SOE on the wrists and collarbone, and I felt like a \"take charge

    guy.\" My boss wasn\'t in that day and there was a request for some equipment to be installed. I installed the

    device then realized that the requestors, just expected it to work, not realizing that it took coordination from two

    other groups for everything to come together. So I ended up taking the initiative to coordinate the key people and

    teach the requestors, who are fairly new, that video signals don\'t just magically appear in the building but have

    to be coordinated through the communication group.

    Anyway, the feeling of \"power\" I get from TE/NPA makes it

    hard to go through the dry days when I lay off the mones.

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    I\'m also starting to feel a

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    Same here!

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    Especially with AE.

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