De-mystify pls

[SLK]

Hi,

When I put on a full

pack of SOE Gel, the hits I get from women during the day tend to be more of subtle ones. For instance, long dreamy

looks, double takes and diminishing personal space. However, the day after, I receive stares from just about

everyone. Guys, girls look at me like some celebrity.

If I have not mistaken, this could probably due to the

effect of NOL to NONE convertion. If NONE gives this type of hits(DIHL, attention grabbing), why dont I receive this

sort of hits from AE/M ? Isn\'t AE/M supposed to be NONE heavy? Strangely, my success with AE/M has been rather

limited, unlike SOE and NPA/TE.

Will I be more successful with PI/m?

[bundyburger]

Don\'t know

about being more successful, but I think you might find PI/m a handy addition to your arsenal.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Especially if you are currently left with -none converted from the

previous days SoE application and it\'s helping.

HAve you tried the full SoE pack with NPA/m in a

combo??

AE/m just doesn\'t work for some people it seems. Some swear by it. Others find it useless. I like it.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[SLK]

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Don\'t know about being more successful, but I think you might find PI/m a

handy addition to your arsenal. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Especially if you are currently

left with -none converted from the previous days SoE application and it\'s helping.

HAve you tried the full

SoE pack with NPA/m in a combo??

AE/m just doesn\'t work for some people it seems. Some swear by it. Others

find it useless. I like it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]



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I have tried DD#1, the reactions are similar to SOE standalone with a sexual edge to it.

However, nothing beats DIHL/Attention grabbing nature of the day-after SOE standalone application. Thus, I was

wondering if pure PI/m could have that effect as well.

[pico]

Yeah, I always use PI as

part of any combo. If I could only have one pheromone product, then it would be PI. Pure none is the attention

grabber I\'ve found.

Has anyone else found that they get good results from the next day after a gel pack

application? SLK, did you shower at all inbetween?

It\'s interesting that some people can\'t use any none at

all and some people don\'t get any results from AE.

I may have to give SOE a retry, but for now I\'m happily

testing my AE+WAGG+PI+NPA combos.

[SLK]

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Yeah, I always use PI as part of any combo. If I could only have one

pheromone product, then it would be PI. Pure none is the attention grabber I\'ve found.

Has anyone else found

that they get good results from the next day after a gel pack application? SLK, did you shower at all

inbetween?

It\'s interesting that some people can\'t use any none at all and some people don\'t get any

results from AE.

I may have to give SOE a retry, but for now I\'m happily testing my AE+WAGG+PI+NPA

combos.




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Nope, no in-between shower after full gel pack SOE

application.

[bjf]

SLK:

Is this the next

day without showering?

Does it smell funky on your skin after it converts?

[SLK]

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SLK:

Is this the next day without showering?

Does it smell funky on

your skin after it converts?

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Yup, the next day without

showering. No funky smell, pretty normal to me.

[bjf]

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SLK:

Is this the next day without showering?

Does it smell funky on your skin after it converts?



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Yup, the next day without showering. No funky smell, pretty

normal to me.

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This is just a guess of course, but I think

you have a slower conversion rate for pheromones than most people. It has to do with personal chemistry, bacteria

colonies, etc.

How long do the Nol effects last?

[SLK]

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SLK:

Is this the next day without

showering?

Does it smell funky on your skin after it converts?

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Yup, the next day without showering. No funky smell, pretty normal to me.

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This is just a guess of course, but I think you have a slower conversion

rate for pheromones than most people. It has to do with personal chemistry, bacteria colonies, etc.

How long do

the Nol effects last?

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The NOL effects lasts for 8-10 hours.

Afther this period, I start to see the NONE effects kick in. This reminds me of a recent hit story.

I wore a

full pack of SOE gel around 8 in the evening and met up with my cousin\'s girl friends. A couple of the girls were

giving me the long dreamy look right upon introduction. I knew the NOL was working beautifully because they became

really chatty and wanted to be really close to me physically, initiating plenty of kino but nothing sexual. After

the clubbing scene was over around 4am in the morning, we decided to hit the beach for some \"relaxation\".

Conversations started to take a sexual turn. Close to 6am in the morning, both girls started talking dirty and one

of them actually said, \"If only this place was less rocky, I would [censored] you then and there.\" Well,

straight to the hotel of course and guess what? Even that was not initiated by me. I must say that was one of the

best hits I\'ved had with pheros usage. Oh yeah, alcohol inhibition was hardly a factor coz\' we didn\'t

really drink that night, only a couple of glasses at most.

Cheers
slk

[DrSmellThis]

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Hi,

When I put on a full pack of SOE Gel, the

hits I get from women during the day tend to be more of subtle ones. For instance, long dreamy looks, double takes

and diminishing personal space. However, the day after, I receive stares from just about everyone. Guys, girls look

at me like some celebrity.

If I have not mistaken, this could probably due to the effect of NOL to NONE

convertion. If NONE gives this type of hits(DIHL, attention grabbing), why dont I receive this sort of hits from

AE/M ? Isn\'t AE/M supposed to be NONE heavy? Strangely, my success with AE/M has been rather limited, unlike SOE

and NPA/TE.

Will I be more successful with PI/m?

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Try Edge and

compare. SOE and -nol convert to other things besides -none. I\'ve always intuited that one of them was a secret

ingredient in Edge, but this goes to show why I don\'t think conversions are at all bad if you learn how to

\"surf the wave.\"

[scentinel]

And if conversion

is done through bacteria, you could become the secret ingredient by dropping serveral drops of armpit-sweat into the

bottle, exposing it to air for a while, and marvel at the beauty of it. (Sometimes I really wonder how awful those

secret ingredients could be...) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[belgareth]

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And if conversion is done through bacteria, you

could become the secret ingredient by dropping serveral drops of armpit-sweat into the bottle, exposing it to air

for a while, and marvel at the beauty of it. (Sometimes I really wonder how awful those secret ingredients could

be...) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Not

with any of the alcohol based mones you couldn\'t.The bacteria would die too quickly. The oil based stuff I

don\'t know about but think it would depend on whether the bacteria needed air to survive.

[pico]

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Try Edge and compare. SOE and -nol convert to other things besides -none.

I\'ve always intuited that one of them was a secret ingredient in Edge, but this goes to show why I don\'t think

conversions are at all bad if you learn how to \"surf the wave.\"

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DrSmellThis,
How certain are you of this? I searched for conversion of nol on this forum and

on google, and found nothing much except none.

[scentinel]

Looking at old

posts about it, I don\'t think anyone figured out for sure what made the pheromones convert. (Spank me if I\'m

wrong). Either it were bacteria, or it was body heat.

Both possibilities don\'t seem to be hard to

replicate: either drop your bacteria in the bottle, or just heat the bottle gently to 37 degrees Celcius for,

let\'s say, 24 hours. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

But alchohol vaporises, no? So

eventually, bacteria would overcome the pheromones anyway. It would just take longer. (So conversion on the body

is quicker with oily phero\'s then those diluted in alcohol?)

[bjf]

These are just his

theories, don\'t expect to find any \"proof\".

[bjf]

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Try Edge

and compare. SOE and -nol convert to other things besides -none. I\'ve always intuited that one of them was a

secret ingredient in Edge, but this goes to show why I don\'t think conversions are at all bad if you learn how to

\"surf the wave.\"

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DrSmellThis,
How certain are you of this?

I searched for conversion of nol on this forum and on google, and found nothing much except none.


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Pico,

There are a lot of pheromones out there we do not know about etc.

It is not necessarily as simple as nol always and justs converts to none.

You won\'t find much info on these

boards about it, so don\'t waste your time.

[SLK]

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Hi,

When I

put on a full pack of SOE Gel, the hits I get from women during the day tend to be more of subtle ones. For

instance, long dreamy looks, double takes and diminishing personal space. However, the day after, I receive stares

from just about everyone. Guys, girls look at me like some celebrity.

If I have not mistaken, this could

probably due to the effect of NOL to NONE convertion. If NONE gives this type of hits(DIHL, attention grabbing), why

dont I receive this sort of hits from AE/M ? Isn\'t AE/M supposed to be NONE heavy? Strangely, my success with

AE/M has been rather limited, unlike SOE and NPA/TE.

Will I be more successful with PI/m?

<hr

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Try Edge and compare. SOE and -nol convert to other things besides -none.

I\'ve always intuited that one of them was a secret ingredient in Edge, but this goes to show why I don\'t think

conversions are at all bad if you learn how to \"surf the wave.\"

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Yes, I\'ved tried Egde standalone. It has proved to be middleground between NOL and NONE for

me. Some attention grabbing effect combined with a sexual aggressiveness. However, not even close to the sheer

attention I get when SOE decays to NONE or whatever.

[bjf]

You can try PPA, it is

only none and not as expensive as PI. The concentration is lower, but it is cheap.

[pico]

hey bjf,
I found this,

quite interesting.


phero buildup and conversion

Either way I\'m a lot more

confident washing thouroughly and using alcohol swaps over application points, then I have more control over what I

have on, rather than having old converted mones.
I\'ve found that hot showers and exfoliating scrub do not remove

all phero build up. We don\'t have purell here in the UK.

[SLK]

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You can try PPA, it is only none and not as expensive as PI. The

concentration is lower, but it is cheap.

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bjf,

thought about

PPA but the quality of NONE differs between each manufacturer. Thus, I was wondering if anyone uses PPA around here

on a regular basis.

[bjf]

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hey bjf,
I found this, quite interesting.


phero buildup and conversion

Either way I\'m a lot more

confident washing thouroughly and using alcohol swaps over application points, then I have more control over what I

have on, rather than having old converted mones.
I\'ve found that hot showers and exfoliating scrub do not remove

all phero build up. We don\'t have purell here in the UK.

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I

don\'t get it, do you want conversion (like DST enjoys some of it) or do you want all converted pheromones off

your skin?

[bjf]

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You can try

PPA, it is only none and not as expensive as PI. The concentration is lower, but it is cheap.

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bjf,

thought about PPA but the quality of NONE differs between each

manufacturer. Thus, I was wondering if anyone uses PPA around here on a regular basis.

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Since so many people want high-concentration products, no, but that

doesn\'t mean it is worse, you just have to put on more. Plus stone labs is reputable (who make PPA).

So

rather than spend all that money on PI, I would be inclined to get PPA. PI does nothing for me, but pure none may

very well work for you, given your unique body chemistry. I\'d just get the PPA though, it will still last you a

long time. My PI I will never finish, I didn\'t need that much [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[pico]

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hey bjf,
I

found this, quite interesting.


phero buildup and conversion

Either way I\'m a lot more

confident washing thouroughly and using alcohol swaps over application points, then I have more control over what I

have on, rather than having old converted mones.
I\'ve found that hot showers and exfoliating scrub do not remove

all phero build up. We don\'t have purell here in the UK.

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I

don\'t get it, do you want conversion (like DST enjoys some of it) or do you want all converted pheromones off

your skin?

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well the subject of this thread has changed. But yeah,

I\'m looking for ways to 100% remove the pheromone build up. That way you know you can start from a clean slate.

[bjf]

Yes it is nice to start

from a clean slate, but it isn\'t the biggest deal in the world. I think if you spread out your applications

rather than concertating them in spots, or perhaps concentrating them in spots but alternating where you apply mones

can help.

Of course, keep doing the other things you are doing.

[pico]

no it\'s not the

biggest deal in the world, but I\'ve found it helps.
In fact the best hits I have had by far have been ones in

which I\'ve taken a week off. So I want to reproduce this effect EVERY DAY.

I may on some weeks go out on

thursday, friday and then saturday.
I\'ve found that the next night is never as good as the night before, and

that sometimes, especially on the saturday I will get nada, no hits.

[bjf]

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no it\'s not the biggest deal in the world, but I\'ve found it helps.
In

fact the best hits I have had by far have been ones in which I\'ve taken a week off. So I want to reproduce this

effect EVERY DAY.

I may on some weeks go out on thursday, friday and then saturday.
I\'ve found that the next

night is never as good as the night before, and that sometimes, especially on the saturday I will get nada, no hits.



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I\'ve found the exact same thing in everything you spoke of.

Unless love-scent does the pheromone eraser product, I think it is hard to use any technique other than lay-off to

start from scratch. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[pico]

well surely we can make

a \"pheromone eraser\" ourselves.

I\'m not sure on second thoughts that alcohol swabs will work - I mean, NPA

uses alcohol as a carrier, so why on earth would that get rid of the pheromones?

The most convenient option I can

think of right now is an exfolient scrub. This will remove some of the outer layer of the skin. However, I\'m sure

the pheromones get down further into the skin than the first layer, and can stay down in the lower layers for a long

time.

To get rid of these, we may have to subject the application points to hot water/steam to open up the skin

pores, and then using a scrub.

I have had too many nights now especially on saturdays where the pheromones have

had no effect. We need something to erase the buildup!

[bjf]

Pico everthing you say is

on the money

Alcohol wouldn\'t be the same as a steroid degredation compound.

To help avoid some of the

stuff from sinking into lower layers of the skin, my only idea was using a layer of hat jobobo oil stuff (spl?) to

clog the pores before a pheromone application.

I do the exoliating, hot shower thing too and try not to apply to

often. Yea it is wierd isn\'t it, when you go out friday and are getting great hits, and then saturday it is

different.

I have found daytime use or with a SO you can get more more consistent hits but for whatever reason

in a bar, you have to standout, and it is harder to draw consistent results. Probably because of the packed people

with their own perfumes and natural pheromones penetrating the air.

[pico]

what about face

washes/toners with salicylic acid or alpha-hydroxy acids? (AHA) Maybe these are good pheromone erasers.



salicylic acid


alpha hydroxy acids

these acids go right into your skin

pores and supposedly gets rid of bacteria.
I have used alpha hydroxy face washes before, plus I have a salicylic

acid containing toner.

Plus who knows, it may radiate out my skin too

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[bjf]

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what about face washes/toners with salicylic acid or alpha-hydroxy acids?

(AHA) Maybe these are good pheromone erasers.

salicylic

acid
alpha hydroxy acids

these acids go right

into your skin pores and supposedly gets rid of bacteria.
I have used alpha hydroxy face washes before, plus I have

a salicylic acid containing toner.

Plus who knows, it may radiate out my skin too

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Good question,

not sure how they would interact with the pheromones. I am skeptical though, but it is worth looking into.

Hopefully someone with a better idea of chemistry can answer this. I don\'t think that they could degrade

steroids though.