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    Default Boosting your own natural \'mones

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    Ok

    chaps listen up, I\'ve got an idea and I need your help.

    First of all I\'ll share the info I\'ve

    already got.

    I came up with this idea after being madly in love with someone for about 4 years, particularly

    obsessed for a month.
    On one particular day I went into town for some clothes shopping. I was totally love

    sick, kept going the wrong way, bought the wrong size jeans. I noticed that I was sweating in a different way to

    usual. Next time this happens to you you\'ll understand what I mean; hot flush. Your body\'s kicking out

    \'mones like crazy, you\'re sweating but instead of the usual urea-salt-water mix it feels different, more

    liquid, less heat. You start sweating immediately even though you haven\'t moved for example. I originally thought

    this sort of thing only really happens in the heat of a moment, not all day long.

    Throughout that days

    shopping I got 3 or 4 Deer-in-headlights-looks from all sorts of women. Unfortunately I didn\'t care as a result

    of being somewhat love-ill. I probably got more attention but didn\'t notice.

    Now. If only I could

    recapture what happened that day when I\'m in my right mind.

    \'mones are in sweat but that doesn\'t

    necessarily going down the gym will cut it. Really what we need is to find someone we really like. The body will

    only respond if it sees someone it really likes. I don\'t know about you but for some reason this hasn\'t

    happened to me in years ...I could do with finding a different circle of friends. Possibily however, I\'ve grown

    up and no longer happy with dumb blondes.

    How can we get the body to start producing \'mones at a level

    akin to the hot-flush?

    There has been efforts to aid \'mone production. I\'ve seen supplements

    available on trashy websites but I serious doubt they work. I haven\'t found any scientific backup for the idea

    ...yet.

    But I have found something that could be very promising. The idea is simple:

    - sweat like

    crazy and stop the bacteria that causes the BO.

    Here are some links to product to do this and I\'ll be

    trying them out if something similar is available in UK-Boots:


    mineral based


    bbc article

    I\'ll report back with any

    results. Some work by blocking iron; needed by the bacteria. Ideally I\'ll try it in the summer with a shirt

    drenched in the stuff and dried out. I\'m quite hopeful as there\'s nothing complicated about it, I\'m just

    hoping they actually stop the bacteria rather than the sweat itself. (It\'s kind of a shame to waste

    anti-bacterials on this if everyone used - the use of this kind of thing in soaps, floor cleaner and the like is

    reducing thier usefulness and producing `super-bugs`)

    In the mean-time what other approaches are

    there?

    Farmers use \'mones a heck of a lot. I originally thought that they just used spray-on \'mones to

    (for example) encourage a bull to mate. But I think there may be more to it?
    I have access to this scientific

    database:
    Web of science
    so I can search for info for you if you

    like. The trouble I\'m finding at the moment is that the majority of research is either directed at agriculture,

    often flies and cattle, or kept behind closed doors.

    We do a course we at my Uni called \"Perfumery\",

    only one of its kind in the world. Have you guys got any questions for the guy that runs it? I met him on a

    marketing course but he says he was originally a chemist who originally formulated smells for various perfume

    companies etc.

    - Do any of you guys know farmers who feed anything special to thier livestock to encourage

    mating? Or sprays?
    - Any thoughts on how to encourage the body to produce \'mones?
    - any links to similar

    bacteria stopping compounds? Or alternative methods? I know you can embed socks with anti BO, perhaps there are

    other clothes available?
    - If you can could you post any scientific quality research, or overviews of \'mone

    production. I\'m having trouble searching
    - got any questions for the Perfume expert I know? I\'m not sure I

    can still get in contact but I\'ll try.
    - know of any relevent journals to \'mones?
    - why does Musk work?

    Do other animal \'mones work and why? Why aren\'t women attracted to Deer??
    - have we had a poll on most

    effective mix? Would be interested to see a collective view rather than one guy saying \"it worked for

    me\".

    - any other suggestions

    Be sure to post back on any info you find. Thanks for any pointers.

    Good luck trying out the sweat option too.

    Some more

    links:
    U.S. patent search for `pheromone`
    uk patent search (down at

    time of writing)


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    clever British inventor has patented a method of extracting debt payment from deadbeats by coating dunning letters

    with 13 possible male hormone extracts in order to subconciously produce a submissive response in reaction to

    dominant and threatening smells (GB 2241437)

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    For males who do not wish to communicate

    by olfaction and want the ultimate deodorant, there is hope. The bodily production of androstenol related substances

    has been suppressed in pigs by immunization (US patent 4610877). Possibly the same method could work in

    humans!

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    />

    Other researchers have found suspected human pheromones in saliva and semen

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    George Dodd of the

    University of Warwick claims to have discovered a steroid he calls Osmone 1, a possible progenitor of androstenone,

    which has tranquilizing qualities in aromatherapy. He relates a curious fact that women are 1000 times more

    sensitive than men to the odour of steroid musk molecules.


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    general page / source

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    Default Re: Boosting your own natural \'mones

    Welcome to the forum.

    I think you\'ll find the answers to most of your questions if you take

    some time to research the info available around here. If you\'re having trouble w/ the search function, you\'ll

    get the hang of it w/ a little practice. A couple of tips: Use the \"and\" and/or \"or\" option vs. the

    \"entire phrase\" option...Also, adjust the \"time\" option, that is \"all posts\" or \"newer than 1 year\"

    vs. \"within 1 week\". If you don\'t make these adjustments, then the search will automatically use the default

    modes.

    HTH

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    Default Re: Boosting your own natural \'mones

    You

    don\'t go to University of London, do you???

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    Default Re: Boosting your own natural \'mones

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You don\'t go to University of

    London, do you???

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    No I don\'t.

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    Default Re: Boosting your own natural \'mones

    These are big questions. A lot of this stuff, if not all of it, has been discussed in the forum.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    You don\'t go to University of London, do you???

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    No I don\'t. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]



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    I hope that smirk was because you were joking.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    You don\'t

    go to University of London, do you???

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    No I don\'t.

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    I hope that

    smirk was because you were joking.

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    Wasn\'t it obvious?

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    Not

    funny! Okay I am laughing. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Boosting your own natural \'mones

    ok, I try searching for \"production\" in this forum.

    Really I meant searching scientific journals.

    If you

    got links to the relevent threads I\'ll try to pull the info into a central location.

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    Jago:
    I have used that rock crystal thing when I was a little kid.

    It may work good, but from what I have

    seen, having some bacteria is good for you.

    Now there is a type of bacteria that does convert pheromones and one

    that doesn\'t:

    \"The metabolism of 16-androstenes was studied in vitro in the presence of two aerobic

    coryneform bacteria, previously shown to metabolize testosterone as well as being capable of producing odour from

    extracts of axillary sweat in an odour-generation test. Although both coryneforms caused complex metabolic

    reactions and were capable of oxidation or reduction at C-3 and C-4, the overall direction favoured reduction. For

    example, large quantities of the more odorous 5 alpha-androstenone and 3 alpha-androstenol were formed from

    androstadienol and androstadienone. In contrast, strains of corynebacteria, unable to produce odour and incapable of

    metabolizing testosterone, were also unable to metabolize 16-androstenes.\"

    I think the bacteria that is unable

    to metabolize testosterone cannot convert pheromones, but may be able to control the bacteria that will.

    I\'d

    like to try and find out how to get a high ratio of the stuff that does not convert pheromones than the stuff tha

    does in my personal chemistry, rather than trying to eliminate it all.


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    Default Re: Boosting your own natural \'mones

    jago-

    You\'ll find links to research scattered throughout the forum and in the reference section.

    James Kohl also has links to research on his web site. Other than the research articles, there is a ton of

    experiential info to glean from the forum members posts.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Do any of you guys know farmers who feed anything

    special to thier livestock to encourage mating? Or sprays?


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> No but

    artificial insamination is a real hit with farmers!

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    />
    Any thoughts on how to encourage the body to produce \'mones?

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\"> Eat and drink healthy. General good health is recommended anyway but I´m sure it´s also good for

    mone production. A healthy sex drive too I guess?

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    />
    Why aren\'t women attracted to Deer??


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> we are, they´re kinda

    cute but it´s the wrong species

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    If you can

    could you post any scientific quality research, or overviews of \'mone production. I\'m having trouble searching




    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Tried the archives? Maybe there´s something there



    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    got any questions for the Perfume expert I know?

    I\'m not sure I can still get in contact but I\'ll try.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> why is

    it so bloody expensive?

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    - any links to similar

    bacteria stopping compounds? Or alternative methods?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> no, just use

    deo and shower everyday. Coes bodylotion work? Emu oil is anti bacterial but I´ve no idea if it stops BO



    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    - know of any relevent journals to \'mones?



    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
    there´s lots of info on the forums incl links and in Love-scent

    newsletters too.

    CJ

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    There\'s two kinds of sweat - eccrine and apocrine. Eccrine is the watery sweat produced all over your body to

    cool when you are overheated. Apocrine is concentrated in your armpits and groin, and produced from separate glands

    than the eccrine. You can think of apocrine glands as scent glands, and they produce the pheros.

    The apocrine

    and eccrine glands are \'wired\' differently to the nervous system - he apocrine glands are ennervated by the

    sympathetic nervous system. That\'s why working up a sweat in the gym won\'t necessarily produce much apocrine

    sweat (or pheros) - eccrine sweat serves a cooling purpose (although it can help spread around the apocrine

    sweat).

    It\'s interesting that you noticed a different type of sweat when you were emotional over a woman.

    It\'s quite possible your body was releasing apocrine secretions (sex lures)while you were fixated and longing for

    your loved one.

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    Nice post, Irish. I do seem to recall there is phero release in both kinds of sweating, but that the

    pheros are somewhat different. I could be wrong. Anyway, your point remains sound.

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    I\'m kinda in the belief that the body pheros that are emitted from me when sweating are attractive to women. It

    also seems that the pheros I wear soon after a workout work better also. I seem to get more smiles and DIHL looks

    on those days I\'ve worked out and worn.

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    that´s because body heat helps [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] try wearing them while you work

    out, refresh with a nice scent/deo so you don´t stink of BO when you cool off! They blend in better with your

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