This terrorist stuff is ridiculous

[Elana]

Saddam

paid big bucks to Palestinian families that killed Jews. Any country that supports Saddam supports killing Jews.

[franki]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I did check my information Franki and I know the

voting record of Germany. Your statement was that Germany was a \"Friend\" and \"Supporter\" of Israel. I

don\'t see any \"support\" in their voting record at all and I didn\'t see any friendship toward Israel in

Germany\'s support for Sadam. You\'re defending the indefensible Franki ! Europe; Eastern, Western,

Norwegian/Swedish, Old or New, what have you, has NEVER been a friend to the Jews! In recent history they sure as

hell have been a friend to those that kill Jews though. So lets do cut the crap Franki. How bout you telling me why

that is.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I am not defending the indefensible. Saddam didn\'t

have any european supporters (countries that is). You are spinning the truth so much it is not even funny anymore.

[franki]

It was

the Ford and Reagan Administration who were the biggest supporters of Saddam Hussein. Does this mean Reagan was not

a friend of Israel, ash?

[CptKipling]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I did check my information Franki and I know the voting record of Germany.

Your statement was that Germany was a \"Friend\" and \"Supporter\" of Israel. I don\'t see any \"support\"

in their voting record at all and I didn\'t see any friendship toward Israel in Germany\'s support for Sadam.

You\'re defending the indefensible Franki ! Europe; Eastern, Western, Norwegian/Swedish, Old or New, what have

you, has NEVER been a friend to the Jews! In recent history they sure as hell have been a friend to those that kill

Jews though. So lets do cut the crap Franki. How bout you telling me why that is.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

I am not defending the indefensible. Saddam didn\'t have any european supporters (countries

that is). You are spinning the truth so much it is not even funny anymore.

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Amen

[Ash]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I did check

my information Franki and I know the voting record of Germany. Your statement was that Germany was a \"Friend\"

and \"Supporter\" of Israel. I don\'t see any \"support\" in their voting record at all and I didn\'t see

any friendship toward Israel in Germany\'s support for Sadam. You\'re defending the indefensible Franki !

Europe; Eastern, Western, Norwegian/Swedish, Old or New, what have you, has NEVER been a friend to the Jews! In

recent history they sure as hell have been a friend to those that kill Jews though. So lets do cut the crap Franki.

How bout you telling me why that is.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I am not defending the

indefensible. Saddam didn\'t have any european supporters (countries that is). You are spinning the truth so much

it is not even funny anymore.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Amen

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">


\"Saddam didn\'t have any European supporters (countries that is).\" HUH? SAY

WHAT??? And an Amen to that statement from the Cpt.? You guys been smoking some strange brew or have you been

out visiting some parallel universe and talking with Crystalline Shapeshifting Lizards? More than likely you been

talking to the Lizard people cuz nobody could get that F\'d up smoking anything I know of.

Nice evasion of the

question though Franki, which was WHY has Europe been such a GOOD friend to those that are so good at killing Jews?

The Imam, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, dedicated his life to the teachings of Mohamed, the Koran, the Hadif and to

the utter destruction of the Jews as a Nation and a People. We are ALL eating the fruits of this mans obsession!

Crapped out from the bowels of this one man, the Ayatollah Khomeini and his Revolution, comes every single Islamic

terrorist organization in existence today! He spent his days of exile from the Shaw\'s Iran being

pampered by the French. He and Chirac were best of buddies back in the days before (and after) the overthrow

of the Shaw and the Iranian Revolution. It was Sadam\'s war against Iran and the Ayatollah that the Carter and

Reagan Administrations supported. Some people, including the Jews, think that support was a good idea. If the

Ayatollah Khomeini had been assassinated way back when he was first seen as a threat instead of getting his dick

sucked by the European community, we wouldn\'t be having this little chat right now. Is that a twisting of the

truth Franki?

[Ash]

I\'m not

seeing his post at least but here\'s my reply.



You assume that I am some USA, jingoistic, nationalistic

A-hole when in fact I\'m just an A-hole. Like most threads that get heated up people tend to respond to what they

think someone wrote instead of what they actually wrote. I live in the USA and I love my country just as you love

yours. I have no love for the majority of my countries foreign policies though and some of the domestic stuff going

on over here is down right frightening.

The USA has an amazing ability to create monsters like Osama and plant

the seeds that create our next major conflict. Our Government and political system is totally corrupt at this point.

But so is every other Government in the world. Including the Israeli Government. Sorry Elana. When talking about

Israel and the enemies of Israel in particular the USA\'s foreign policy is insanity. We are no less guilty of

creating the seeds of the destruction Israel than Germany or France when it comes to selling all the bombs and

bullets necessary to remove Israel from the face of the earth. I see the French involvement as going a little deeper

though due to Chirac mostly and I fear for Germany getting sucked into Chirac\'s grand plan for the New Europe. I

don\'t want to see the New Europe look much at all like some of the Old Europe looked, historically that is,

especially concerning the Jews. I don\'t think anyone on the Forums wants to see that. I could be wrong

though.

As far as Chirac\'s grand plan for the New Europe being the next supper power/master of the world,

I\'m all for that! I\'m tired of the USA dropping bombs on somebody just so one of our politicians can get

re-elected. Let Chirac drop some bombs for a change so he can get re-elected. It\'s all BS to me anymore Franki

but I will stick up for the Jews until somebody puts a cap up my ***.

[franki]

Chirac is

a politician that has his zenith of power a long way behind him already. Yes, he has plans about the way Europe/EU

is going to develop. But there is no secret masterplan to rule the world, or even something that comes close to

this! \"We\" leave that to the Americans.

Europeans would be happy if their own continent would be a little

bit less messier. I don\'t know why you are so afraid of what you call a \"New Europe\"? Sure, there are

anti-semitic tendencies in a lot of countries and this has to be taken seriously. There are other problems as well,

look at the large number of muslims that live in Europe and the integration problems they have..

But, I fail

to see the big threat that you see coming from Chirac\'s (or other european leaders) policy..

[franki]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />



You assume that I am some USA,

jingoistic, nationalistic A-hole when in fact I\'m just an A-hole.



<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

A thumbs up from me for not being a nationalistic a-hole! (no joke!)



[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

BTW, I

didn\'t assume anything about you, I just reacted to the things you wrote.

[Pancho1188]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
One of the guys on the forum just PMed me this

little tidbit...

Subject: How the UN votes

How they vote
Below are the actual voting records of various

Arabic/Islamic States
which are recorded in both the US State Department and United
Nations\' records:

Kuwait

votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Morocco

votes against t he United States 70% of the time.
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the

time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the

time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of

the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the

time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the

time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the

time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
India votes against the United States 81% of the

time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of!

the tim e.

US Foreign Aid to those that hate us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the

United
States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States

and receives $192,814,000
annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives

$6,721,000
annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000
annually

in US Foreign Aid.

It is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings
back to the American workers who are

having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

I don\'t

like what\'s being inferred here... I agree that we shouldn\'t be giving handouts to people who hate us and

there\'s so much more we could be doing here with that money, but...

Should they agree with everything

we say just because we give them money? Are they obligated to be \"yes\" men and bow to our every command just

because we give them money? Are we trying to buy votes in the U.N. like the Yankees buy a trip to the World Series

every year? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

They don\'t have to vote with us, and we don\'t

have to give them money. One shouldn\'t be associated with the other because that\'s called

bribery.

I\'m sure there\'s some country that\'s well-off and yet still votes against the US over

50% of the time. That\'s not them hating us but merely disagreeing with us...well, maybe hating us but we

don\'t give them money.

Basically, I get the point of the statistic to point out that we shouldn\'t give

money to people who hate us, but I don\'t like the fact that it also makes it seem as though people who receive

money from us should just bow down and agree with everything we say. Even the \"all-powerful\" United States is

wrong on many occasions...we did make an amendment banning alcohol that was ultimately repealed because it didn\'t

work and no one would listen... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Elana]

I think

one of the points being made is not that people must agree with us in order to get money from us. Obviously that is

not the case. The point is that these countries hate us. They hate us with passion. They burn our flags and many

threaten our lives. You don\'t see a problem with that?

[Pancho1188]

Then again, Jack Nicholson said it best...

CAROL Are you saying accepting your help obligates me!?
MELVIN

Is there another way to see it?
CAROL No.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

What if this is

as good as it gets?

[Holmes]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
What if this is as good as it gets?

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

We must ask ourselves.


Holmes

[thingscouldwork]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
The point is that these countries

hate us. They hate us with passion. They burn our flags and many threaten our lives. You don\'t see a problem with

that?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Well, how could it have come to THAT???

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

(Again, not implying that it is ok...)

[Pancho1188]

I

remember on the day of September 11 when many people in the United States truly believed that the best course of

action was to bomb the entire Middle East to rid the world of terrorism. Blind hatred and stupidity are not limited

to any single country.

I still agree that the US should just keep its money and let everyone else fend for

themselves...just not for the reason that they disagree or even hate us. It\'d be like OPEC not selling oil to

the US because many of the citizens have grudges against the Middle East.

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Well, how could it have come to THAT???

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">


I don\'t know? How did it come to 13 million people murdered by

Nazi\'s? Did the people who died deserve to be killed?

You always seem to want to point the finger at us. I

know that you say over and over again how terrorism is wrong and you aren\'t condoning terrorism, but why is it

that it always keeps coming back to us?

I was shocked to see you were opposed to the killing of Yassin. I am

baffled by you. Where exactly do you stand?

[Elana]

Thank

you to the person that sent me this link.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=106&amp;ncid=742&amp;e=1&a mp;u=/nypost

/20040329/cm_nypost/hamaspassionploy

[Elana]

Thingscouldwork.....would you suggest that the Israeli\'s leave this guy alone because if they kill him it might

make other terrorists mad and then they will be super, duper mean to us?

[tallmacky]

Damn, thingscouldwork you got owned bro. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Elana next time use some

lube on \'em and be gentle with him and the ass whoopings. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Why

even come back for more bro, really? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Elana]

He will

be back.........and so will I [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[tallmacky]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
He will be back.........

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Elana I know you\'re a pimp now, but you got to keep your hoe\'s in

check, right....[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] *slap slap* \'em up and keep \'em in line.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Pimpin\' E. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[EXIT63]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You always seem to want to point the finger at us.

I know that you say over and over again how terrorism is wrong and you aren\'t condoning terrorism, but why is it

that it always keeps coming back to us?


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Elana...You damn well

that it\'s all Bush\'s fault!

[DZorro]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
He will be back.........and so will I

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

When he comes

back, slap him good next time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
No prisoners no survivers.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


DZorro,

[franki]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You always seem to want to point the finger at us. I know that you say over

and over again how terrorism is wrong and you aren\'t condoning terrorism, but why is it that it always keeps

coming back to us?


<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Elana...You damn well that it\'s all

Bush\'s fault!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

According to this Mr.Clarke the Bush

Administration ignored the threat of Al Qaeda.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[EXIT63]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You always

seem to want to point the finger at us. I know that you say over and over again how terrorism is wrong and you

aren\'t condoning terrorism, but why is it that it always keeps coming back to us?


<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Elana...You damn well that it\'s all Bush\'s fault!

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

According to this Mr.Clarke the Bush Administration ignored the threat of Al Qaeda..

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Like I said. It\'s all Bush\'s fault.

[Ash]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
You always

seem to want to point the finger at us. I know that you say over and over again how terrorism is wrong and you

aren\'t condoning terrorism, but why is it that it always keeps coming back to us?


<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

Elana...You damn well that it\'s all Bush\'s fault!

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

According to this Mr.Clarke the Bush Administration ignored the threat of Al Qaeda..

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">


Franki, this is USA politics at its best, or worst. So far Clark has

told three different versions of his story. His book (which is being published by the same people that own 60

Minutes), his 60 Min. interview, and his closed testimony before Congress; all tell different tales. It\'ll be

interesting to see what happens with Mr. Clark when all is said and done. So far it looks like the public isn\'t

buying into his story. If anything Clinton will be the one that will take the most heat.

[BigBear]

Theyre all crooks I tell ya! Where is the love?




------BBB [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

ps. Hi all!

[Ash]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Theyre all crooks I tell ya! Where is the

love?






------BBB [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

ps. Hi all!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">





They all need a puppy!

[Elana]

But we should probably mind our own business because it doesn\'t effect our life.


[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
F O R I M M E D I A T E R E L E A S E


374 Freed

Slaves Arrive in Southern Sudan


April 1, 2004



WARAWAR, Sudan - Today, 374 slaves safely reached the

market town of Warawar in SPLA-controlled Southern Sudan after a long and sometimes harrowing exodus from bondage in

Northern Sudan. After crossing the Bahr-Al-Arab river they had been received by the local Dinka community and

Christian Solidarity International (CSI) representatives.



Over the past three weeks 503 slaves - mainly

women and children - were gathered from government-run camps in Northern Sudan. Most of the slaves had been held in

these camps for between one and three years. The 374 slaves were tightly packed in open trucks, approx. 55 on each

truck. The remaining 129 of the 503 slaves have not yet arrived.



The 374 slaves had been detained for more

than one week in Meiram, near the border with Southern Sudan on account of threats from government-sponsored

militias. Following an intervention by the World Union of Progressive Judaism at the UN Commission on Human Rights

on March 28, the Government of Sudan provided a guarantee of security to enable the slave convoy to cross the border

into Southern Sudan. However, at least one boy was reportedly re-abducted by his knife-wielding master as the convoy

crossed the Bahr-Al-Arab River.



The arrival of the liberated slaves in Warawar was greeted with great

rejoicing. The slave exodus was organized and led by James Aguer and other members of the Committe for the

Eradication of the Abduction of Women and Children (CEAWAC) and members of the Warawar Arab-Dinka Peace Committee.

CSI is providing humanitarian assistance to the now liberated slaves.



The Goverment of Sudan appears to be

divided about the future repatriation of freed slaves. On the one hand the First Vice President Ali Osman Taha has

reportedly made a commitment to fund CEAWAC for another 12 months. However according to witnesses the presidential

advisor Mubarak al-Fadil al-Madhi declared at a mass rally in Meiram on 31 March that funding for CEAWAC would be

terminated by the end of May. Moreover, he was reported to have declared his opposition to the repatriation of child

slaves who were fathered by their masters.





Stephen A. Crawford

Christian Solidarity

International

870 Hampshire Road, Suite T

Westlake Village, CA 91361

USA

Tel: 011 (805)

777-7107

Fax: 011 (805) 777-7508

Email: csi@csi-usa.org


Internet:

www.csi-int.org

[Pancho1188]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />

But we should probably mind our own business

because it doesn\'t effect our life.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Cue public service

announcement where woman watches a friend drown and yet does nothing to save her...in fact, she turns her head to

the whole thing...

[DZorro]

Today

they manage to disarm a bom at the train railrode at Amsterdam.

Wow that\'s way to close for comfort.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
I just heard it on the news.

DZorro,