This terrorist stuff is ridiculous

[Elana]

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MONKEON HAS SPOKEN!

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Monkeon is a Lizard

[Icarus]

Best

in the Business.

[thingscouldwork]

Latest News (as translated from web.de):

\"Planned assasination of Hamas Leader faces wordwide

criticism\"

[OCP]

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&lt;happy dance&gt;

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I was so

happy!
It infuriated me seeing him on TV for years spouting off his hate, kill, bullcrap! I never understood why

the IDF didn\'t take him out. This guy is the man that started Hamas. Let him go play with his nasty 78 virgins

now.



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I thought he got 78 Virginians.

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&lt;happy dance&gt;

&lt;happy

dance&gt;

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Wooohooooooooo [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I was so

happy!
It infuriated me seeing him on TV for years spouting off his hate, kill, bullcrap! I never understood why

the IDF didn\'t take him out. This guy is the man that started Hamas. Let him go play with his nasty 78 virgins

now.



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I thought he got 78 Virginians.

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Yep! And

one of them is FTR! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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[Elana]

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Latest News (as translated from

web.de):

\"Planned assasination of Hamas Leader faces wordwide criticism\"

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Talking points regarding Sheikh Ahmad Yassin,
Founder and leader of HAMAS

SHEIKH

YASSIN\'S \'HAPPIEST DAY\'


Thank you, HonestReporting

Early Monday morning, the IDF struck and killed

Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, the
founder and leader of Hamas. Since early media reports misrepresented the
IDF strike in a

number of fundamental ways, HonestReporting encourages
subscribers to be on the lookout for these four myths, and

to respond
appropriately with the facts:

Myth 1: The Yassin strike will escalate the violence

Nearly all news

reports claimed within the first two sentences that the
IDF strike is \"likely to escalate violence,\" and

constitutes \"an enormous
gamble by Sharon\" that \"risks triggering a dramatic escalation in
bloodshed.\"

(Associated Press)

This claim &amp;#8213; which belongs on the editorial page, not in the same
breath as the

actual news report of the event &amp;#8213; was so widespread
that one almost forgets that it represents only the

Palestinian position:
The official PA statement characterized the Israeli strike as inviting
\"more violence and

further escalation.\"

The absent Israeli position: Though terrorist efforts may increase
temporarily, in the

long run the elimination of Yassin will upset Hamas\'
leadership and violent capabilities, and serve as an

essential deterrent
to ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi Pazner said:

His elimination will

serve peace in the long run. He is personally
responsible for all the most dreadful attacks in Israel. He was

a
dangerous extremist Islamic ideologist. He was danger to the entire
region. By eliminating this threat to peace

we will improve chances for a
better Middle East.

Responsible news reports should either convey both positions,

or neither.


Myth 2: Yassin was an impotent old man

BBC profiled Yassin as \"a frail man who could barely

see. His voice was
thin and quavering.\" The Evening Standard prominently quoted the UK
Foreign Secretary, who

said \"he did not believe that Israel would benefit
from the killing of an old man in a

wheelchair.\"

Actually, Yassin was in a wheelchair since age 12, when a sporting
accident left him paralyzed.

It\'s self-evident, therefore, that being
wheelchair-bound never hampered Yassin\'s ability to

orchestrate
unprecedented terror &amp;#8213; he founded Hamas in 1987 and proved perfectly
capable of building the

organization to its current strength from a
sitting position.

Moreover, Yassin has had enough wherewithal in the

recent years to direct
dozens of heinous terrorist attacks, leaving Yassin\'s hands drenched in
Israeli

blood.

HonestReporting encourages readers to check that articles present this
essential information on

Yassin\'s terror record. AP completely omitted any
reference to Yassin\'s connection to terrorism until the

final sentence of
their report, and then only referred to Israel \"blaming\" Yassin for
\"inspiring\" Hamas

bombers.


Myth 3: Yassin was a \'spiritual leader\' who deserved immunity

AFP, like most agencies,

described Yassin as \"the Islamist movement\'s
spiritual guide,\" which suggests to a western audience that

Yassin
operated in a peaceful, contemplative realm aside from the violence, and
was therefore unfairly targeted by

the IDF. BBC went so far to say Yassin
was \"a powerful inspiration for young Palestinians disillusioned with

the
collapse of peace hopes.\" CNN calls Yassin a spiritual leader (unquoted),
but then puts scare quotes around

Israel\'s reference to him as a
\"terrorist.\"

Actually, Yassin\'s brand of \'spirituality\' is the

very ideological and
emotional fuel that drives Palestinian (and worldwide Islamic) terrorism,
the plague of our

age. Yassin continually called for suicide terrorism as
a religious obligation, and even said about himself that

\"the day in which
I will die as a shahid [martyr] will be the happiest day of my life.\"
(Al-Quds, July 26,

1998)

As Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Sofer said:

[Yassin] was not a spiritual leader. This term

does injustice to the term
\'spiritual leader\' and an insult to real spiritual leaders. He was a
terrorist

mastermind.



Myth 4: Israel\'s strike creates a western threat of Islamic terror



American flag

burning at Hamas rally, 2001


After Hamas released a statement that threatened radical Islamic
retaliation

beyond Israel\'s borders, AP called this an \'unprecedented\'
threat, triggered by Israel:

For the first

time, Hamas also threatened the United States, saying
America\'s backing of Israel made the assassination

possible...In the past,
Hamas leaders have insisted their struggle is against Israel and that they
would not get

involved in causes by militant Muslims in other parts of the
world. Today\'s statement suggested that Hamas might

seek outside help in
carrying out revenge attacks, since its capabilities have been limited by
Israeli military

strikes.

This is simply untrue &amp;#8213; Yassin himself had long called upon world
Islamic terrorists to join

with Hamas in global jihad. MEMRI reported in
March, 2003 that on the Hamas website, \"Sheikh Ahmad Yassin called

on the
Islamic nation \'to strike at Western interests everywhere if Iraq is
conquered.\'\" And just two

weeks ago, Hamas announced its commitment to
\"the global level of the Islamic world\" as the reason for its

choosing
British suicide bombers to murder Israelis at Tel Aviv\'s Mike\'s Place in
2003.

[franki]

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Myth 1: The Yassin strike will

escalate the violence

Nearly all news reports claimed within the first two sentences that the
IDF strike is

\"likely to escalate violence,\" and constitutes \"an enormous
gamble by Sharon\" that \"risks triggering a

dramatic escalation in
bloodshed.\" (Associated Press)

This claim &amp;#8213; which belongs on the editorial

page, not in the same
breath as the actual news report of the event &amp;#8213; was so widespread
that one almost

forgets that it represents only the Palestinian position:
The official PA statement characterized the Israeli

strike as inviting
\"more violence and further escalation.\"

The absent Israeli position: Though terrorist

efforts may increase
temporarily, in the long run the elimination of Yassin will upset Hamas\'
leadership and

violent capabilities, and serve as an essential deterrent
to ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi

Pazner said:

His elimination will serve peace in the long run. He is personally
responsible for all the most

dreadful attacks in Israel. He was a
dangerous extremist Islamic ideologist. He was danger to the entire
region.

By eliminating this threat to peace we will improve chances for a
better Middle East.

Responsible news reports

should either convey both positions, or neither.





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I

don\'t think it was a bad idea to assasinate Yassin, but do you really believe this? That it leads to less

violence (in the long run)??

[CJ01]

nobody liked the

guy but he was so close to snuffing it anyway why bother with an asassination? It´s gonna be one hell of a nightmare

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UNLESS, it was planned by the hamas to make him look like a hero victim and give them an excuse to go on a

rampage which they will I´m sure. Bit far fetched perhaps but those people like sacrificing themselves don´t

they.
Good that he´s gone tho still

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The

absent Israeli position: Though terrorist efforts may increase
temporarily, in the long run the elimination of

Yassin will upset Hamas\'
leadership and violent capabilities, and serve as an essential deterrent
to

ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi Pazner said:



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out [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] They´ll just find a new leader and cary on eventually

imo.

[Elana]

Here is

what people don\'t seem to get. The IDF stops several suicide attacks daily. It is not as if the Palestinians get

mad at specific situations and decide to blow up innocent people. They try to do this daily.

Osama is close to

death. Should we just leave him alone so we don\'t upset the terrorists?

[CJ01]

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I´ll just leave it I guess

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I wasn\'t trying to have a go at you.
I know that you actually have a

grasp on the situation.

[DrSmellThis]

Twas

a good idea by Israel, in this case. Yassin was command and control, and still one dangerous guy. That\'s

who you go after, people moreso than military sites, when fighting terrorism. It will help peace efforts, in this

case.

Palestinian leaders are stupid to make a big deal mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them

to get taken seriously as a political entity. They are reacting emotionally and appeasing their own hard-liners. Now

is a time they should be distancing themselves from Hamas and arresting members. They should have arrested Yassin

themselves, and Israel shouldn\'t have had to kill him. If they were making the basic arrests, they could tell

Israel to \"butt out\" and most of the world might support them. I guess they don\'t want national sovereignty,

even though most people around the world want them to have it. Very self defeating. They could have their own

country by year\'s end if the played their cards right. They could have a legit diplomatic and economic presence

in the world as well, and the power that goes along with it. Dumb and dumber! They need to be showing restraint

about now, if they want what they say they want.

[belgareth]

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Twas a good idea by Israel, in this case. Yassin

was command and control, and still one dangerous guy. That\'s who you go after, people moreso than military

sites, when fighting terrorism. It will help peace efforts, in this case.

Palestinian leaders are stupid to make

a big deal mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them to get taken seriously as a political entity. They are

reacting emotionally and appeasing their own hard-liners. Now is a time they should be distancing themselves from

Hamas and arresting members. They should have arrested Yassin themselves, and Israel shouldn\'t have had to kill

him. If they were making the basic arrests, they could tell Israel to \"butt out\" and most of the world might

support them. I guess they don\'t want national sovereignty, even though most people around the world want them to

have it. Very self defeating. They could have their own country by year\'s end if the played their cards right.

They could have a legit diplomatic and economic presence in the world as well, and the power that goes along with

it. Dumb and dumber! They need to be showing restraint about now, if they want what they say they want.

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The whole point is to go after the leadership, command and control. The

individuals mean little if there is nobody telling them where to go and what to do. It causes major disruptions and

is devastating on their moral. Most of fighting a fight correctly is the mental part, killing the foot soldier

actually does little good. Getting rid of the leadership has far greater impact.

[Elana]

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Twas a good idea by Israel, in this case. Yassin was command and

control, and still one dangerous guy. That\'s who you go after, people moreso than military sites, when

fighting terrorism. It will help peace efforts, in this case.

Palestinian leaders are stupid to make a big deal

mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them to get taken seriously as a political entity. They are reacting

emotionally and appeasing their own hard-liners. Now is a time they should be distancing themselves from Hamas and

arresting members. They should have arrested Yassin themselves, and Israel shouldn\'t have had to kill him. If

they were making the basic arrests, they could tell Israel to \"butt out\" and most of the world might support

them. I guess they don\'t want national sovereignty, even though most people around the world want them to have

it. Very self defeating. They could have their own country by year\'s end if the played their cards right. They

could have a legit diplomatic and economic presence in the world as well, and the power that goes along with it.

Dumb and dumber! They need to be showing restraint about now, if they want what they say they want.

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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

The whole point is to go after the leadership, command and control. The

individuals mean little if there is nobody telling them where to go and what to do. It causes major disruptions and

is devastating on their moral. Most of fighting a fight correctly is the mental part, killing the foot soldier

actually does little good. Getting rid of the leadership has far greater impact.

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This is Israel\'s plan. While they have greatly stepped up security, they are not waiting to

see what the response from the Palestinians are. They are going after all of the top members of Hamas. They are

publishing their pictures in their papers and are labeling them like a deck of cards (sound familiar?) and are

crossing them off as they kill them.

I take it Israel is going to make it difficult for Bush to try to keep them

from halting their operation. They need to do what they need to do and they can\'t listen to the US or anyone tell

them to back off until every last one of these killers are dead.

[Elana]

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Palestinian leaders are stupid to make a big deal

mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them to get taken seriously as a political entity.

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Arafat (who was the one that called for the 3 day mourning period) and

Yassin were bitter rivals. Hamas and Arafats murderous FATEH movement hated each other.

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[tallmacky]

How

does that cliche` go? A face only a mother could love?

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Damn! Arafat is uber duper ugly....I know this really has no

bearing on anything, but just looking at him gives me a feeling as if I somehow totally escaped the cruelity of the

\"bitch\" known as Mother Nature and didn\'t end up \"that bad\".

Would you be pissed if you looked like

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[thingscouldwork]

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Myth 1: The Yassin strike will escalate the

violence

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I would like to answer that with another

newsflash:

\"Hamas promises to assasinate Premier Ariel Scharon as retribution for their killed leader

Jassin\".

Or is that what you would call: \"Short term violence\" in reaction to Jassins killing?? Didn\'t

think so...

I just feel like there is a certain \"Über-ideocity\" building in world leaders, thinking they can

conquer all forms of terrorism by sheding as much terrorist blood as possible... BUT IT ONLY FUELS TERRORISM

FURTHER!!!

Flame me all you want, I know I\'m right and you can see it on the news every single day!

[Elana]

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\"Hamas promises to assasinate Premier Ariel

Scharon as retribution for their killed leader Jassin\".

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Thingscouldwork....you keep pulling up all of these silly statements thinking that you are making a point.

When have they NOT tried to kill Sharon? Why are you acting as if this is news? Do you not understand that before

Yassin was killed suicide bombers were stopped EVERY SINGLE DAY in Israel? NOTHING is new. Hamas kills ALL OF THE

TIME. Nothing new.
Here is a nice story for you, Thingscouldwork. If this link doesn\'t work from AOL, I will

post one from one of the other hundreds of newssites that have posted it

today.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.

com/news/article.adp?id=20040324111409990003

[Elana]

http://ww

w.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&amp;cid=1080108195675

[thingscouldwork]

Yes, that\'s very sad and the fiftenth time I tell you: Yes! Terrorists are sub-human and evil!!! BUT you

can\'t just slaughter them like cattle!!

HUMAN RIGHTS!!! (Again, it\'s not like they deserve it, but it\'s

what sets US apart from THEM... Or it is what SHOULD set us apart...)

[Elana]

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I just feel like there is a certain

\"Über-ideocity\" building in world leaders, thinking they can conquer all forms of terrorism by sheding as much

terrorist blood as possible... BUT IT ONLY FUELS TERRORISM FURTHER!!!

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So we should all just live with terrorism? If I am turning around your words, then please make clear what you

meant by the above statement. In the case of Israel, should they just let the terrorists continue to blow up their

people? What should they do? They have tried to talk and negotiate land for peace. What have they got out of all of

the talking? Many more bodies to bury.....that\'s what they got.
What should they do? What should all of us do?

[thingscouldwork]

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What should they do? What should all of us do?



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Trial his a$$ and throw him in prison, just like a democratic

country would do... Get international backing first, and so on...

But I\'m in no position to suggest such a

thing and neither are you...

[belgareth]

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Yes, that\'s very sad and the fiftenth time I

tell you: Yes! Terrorists are sub-human and evil!!! BUT you can\'t just slaughter them like cattle!!

HUMAN

RIGHTS!!! (Again, it\'s not like they deserve it, but it\'s what sets US apart from THEM... Or it is what SHOULD

set us apart...)

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People have been using that human rights mantra

for years with the same net effect. The terrorists contnue to kill innocent people whenever they like. What would

you have us do? Sit on our hands and whine about human rights while they continue to build bombs? What about the

rights of all the people the terrorists kill? Why do people seem to believe that killers have a greater need for

their rights than innocent people.

Once they killed their first innocent victim, they gave up their right to a

peaceful existence. Their continued refusal to compromise demonstrates their utter disregard for peace or even the

rights of others. Nothing short of either imprisonment or death for the leadership is an acceptable solution that

will reduce the killings. Anything else is living in a fantasy world.

[CJ01]

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HUMAN RIGHTS!!! (Again, it\'s not like they

deserve it, but it\'s what sets US apart from THEM... Or it is what SHOULD set us apart...)


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/></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> yes that´s a good point.

What I´m interested in is, if killing Yassin is

indeed the best and only way to deal with the hamas and cut down terrorism, why wasn´t it done sooner, why only just

now after such a long time? There must have been plenty of opportunities before, am I right? This is what puzzles

me a bit. Explanations please but only from those who are informed.

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[Elana]

http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/art

icle_6995.shtml

[Elana]

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]

[CJ01]

thanks for

the link. But I yassin and hamas have been round longer that the timeframe mentioned in the article haven´t they.

They assassination attempt described in the article was also more recently. That´s what I ask, why not before now?

I don´t have details or a lot of info that´s why I´m asking.

[Elana]

The

second link was another attempt in September.

[Elana]

I wish

they would do the same with Arafat

[CJ01]

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The second link was another attempt in September.




<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> yes but that´s still very recent. I´m thinking even further back

in time on this one as yassin´s and the rest of those people have been at it much longer, see what I´m getting at?

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