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Latest News (as translated from web.de):
\"Planned assasination of Hamas Leader faces wordwide
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I was so
happy!
It infuriated me seeing him on TV for years spouting off his hate, kill, bullcrap! I never understood why
the IDF didn\'t take him out. This guy is the man that started Hamas. Let him go play with his nasty 78 virgins
now.
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I thought he got 78 Virginians.
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I was so
happy!
It infuriated me seeing him on TV for years spouting off his hate, kill, bullcrap! I never understood why
the IDF didn\'t take him out. This guy is the man that started Hamas. Let him go play with his nasty 78 virgins
now.
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I thought he got 78 Virginians.
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Latest News (as translated from
web.de):
\"Planned assasination of Hamas Leader faces wordwide criticism\"
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Talking points regarding Sheikh Ahmad Yassin,
Founder and leader of HAMAS
SHEIKH
YASSIN\'S \'HAPPIEST DAY\'
Thank you, HonestReporting
Early Monday morning, the IDF struck and killed
Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, the
founder and leader of Hamas. Since early media reports misrepresented the
IDF strike in a
number of fundamental ways, HonestReporting encourages
subscribers to be on the lookout for these four myths, and
to respond
appropriately with the facts:
Myth 1: The Yassin strike will escalate the violence
Nearly all news
reports claimed within the first two sentences that the
IDF strike is \"likely to escalate violence,\" and
constitutes \"an enormous
gamble by Sharon\" that \"risks triggering a dramatic escalation in
bloodshed.\"
(Associated Press)
This claim &#8213; which belongs on the editorial page, not in the same
breath as the
actual news report of the event &#8213; was so widespread
that one almost forgets that it represents only the
Palestinian position:
The official PA statement characterized the Israeli strike as inviting
\"more violence and
further escalation.\"
The absent Israeli position: Though terrorist efforts may increase
temporarily, in the
long run the elimination of Yassin will upset Hamas\'
leadership and violent capabilities, and serve as an
essential deterrent
to ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi Pazner said:
His elimination will
serve peace in the long run. He is personally
responsible for all the most dreadful attacks in Israel. He was
a
dangerous extremist Islamic ideologist. He was danger to the entire
region. By eliminating this threat to peace
we will improve chances for a
better Middle East.
Responsible news reports should either convey both positions,
or neither.
Myth 2: Yassin was an impotent old man
BBC profiled Yassin as \"a frail man who could barely
see. His voice was
thin and quavering.\" The Evening Standard prominently quoted the UK
Foreign Secretary, who
said \"he did not believe that Israel would benefit
from the killing of an old man in a
wheelchair.\"
Actually, Yassin was in a wheelchair since age 12, when a sporting
accident left him paralyzed.
It\'s self-evident, therefore, that being
wheelchair-bound never hampered Yassin\'s ability to
orchestrate
unprecedented terror &#8213; he founded Hamas in 1987 and proved perfectly
capable of building the
organization to its current strength from a
sitting position.
Moreover, Yassin has had enough wherewithal in the
recent years to direct
dozens of heinous terrorist attacks, leaving Yassin\'s hands drenched in
Israeli
blood.
HonestReporting encourages readers to check that articles present this
essential information on
Yassin\'s terror record. AP completely omitted any
reference to Yassin\'s connection to terrorism until the
final sentence of
their report, and then only referred to Israel \"blaming\" Yassin for
\"inspiring\" Hamas
bombers.
Myth 3: Yassin was a \'spiritual leader\' who deserved immunity
AFP, like most agencies,
described Yassin as \"the Islamist movement\'s
spiritual guide,\" which suggests to a western audience that
Yassin
operated in a peaceful, contemplative realm aside from the violence, and
was therefore unfairly targeted by
the IDF. BBC went so far to say Yassin
was \"a powerful inspiration for young Palestinians disillusioned with
the
collapse of peace hopes.\" CNN calls Yassin a spiritual leader (unquoted),
but then puts scare quotes around
Israel\'s reference to him as a
\"terrorist.\"
Actually, Yassin\'s brand of \'spirituality\' is the
very ideological and
emotional fuel that drives Palestinian (and worldwide Islamic) terrorism,
the plague of our
age. Yassin continually called for suicide terrorism as
a religious obligation, and even said about himself that
\"the day in which
I will die as a shahid [martyr] will be the happiest day of my life.\"
(Al-Quds, July 26,
1998)
As Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Sofer said:
[Yassin] was not a spiritual leader. This term
does injustice to the term
\'spiritual leader\' and an insult to real spiritual leaders. He was a
terrorist
mastermind.
Myth 4: Israel\'s strike creates a western threat of Islamic terror
American flag
burning at Hamas rally, 2001
After Hamas released a statement that threatened radical Islamic
retaliation
beyond Israel\'s borders, AP called this an \'unprecedented\'
threat, triggered by Israel:
For the first
time, Hamas also threatened the United States, saying
America\'s backing of Israel made the assassination
possible...In the past,
Hamas leaders have insisted their struggle is against Israel and that they
would not get
involved in causes by militant Muslims in other parts of the
world. Today\'s statement suggested that Hamas might
seek outside help in
carrying out revenge attacks, since its capabilities have been limited by
Israeli military
strikes.
This is simply untrue &#8213; Yassin himself had long called upon world
Islamic terrorists to join
with Hamas in global jihad. MEMRI reported in
March, 2003 that on the Hamas website, \"Sheikh Ahmad Yassin called
on the
Islamic nation \'to strike at Western interests everywhere if Iraq is
conquered.\'\" And just two
weeks ago, Hamas announced its commitment to
\"the global level of the Islamic world\" as the reason for its
choosing
British suicide bombers to murder Israelis at Tel Aviv\'s Mike\'s Place in
2003.
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Myth 1: The Yassin strike will
escalate the violence
Nearly all news reports claimed within the first two sentences that the
IDF strike is
\"likely to escalate violence,\" and constitutes \"an enormous
gamble by Sharon\" that \"risks triggering a
dramatic escalation in
bloodshed.\" (Associated Press)
This claim &#8213; which belongs on the editorial
page, not in the same
breath as the actual news report of the event &#8213; was so widespread
that one almost
forgets that it represents only the Palestinian position:
The official PA statement characterized the Israeli
strike as inviting
\"more violence and further escalation.\"
The absent Israeli position: Though terrorist
efforts may increase
temporarily, in the long run the elimination of Yassin will upset Hamas\'
leadership and
violent capabilities, and serve as an essential deterrent
to ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi
Pazner said:
His elimination will serve peace in the long run. He is personally
responsible for all the most
dreadful attacks in Israel. He was a
dangerous extremist Islamic ideologist. He was danger to the entire
region.
By eliminating this threat to peace we will improve chances for a
better Middle East.
Responsible news reports
should either convey both positions, or neither.
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I
don\'t think it was a bad idea to assasinate Yassin, but do you really believe this? That it leads to less
violence (in the long run)??
nobody liked the
guy but he was so close to snuffing it anyway why bother with an asassination? It´s gonna be one hell of a nightmare
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UNLESS, it was planned by the hamas to make him look like a hero victim and give them an excuse to go on a
rampage which they will I´m sure. Bit far fetched perhaps but those people like sacrificing themselves don´t
they.
Good that he´s gone tho still
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absent Israeli position: Though terrorist efforts may increase
temporarily, in the long run the elimination of
Yassin will upset Hamas\'
leadership and violent capabilities, and serve as an essential deterrent
to
ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi Pazner said:
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imo.
Here is
what people don\'t seem to get. The IDF stops several suicide attacks daily. It is not as if the Palestinians get
mad at specific situations and decide to blow up innocent people. They try to do this daily.
Osama is close to
death. Should we just leave him alone so we don\'t upset the terrorists?
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I´ll just leave it I guess
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I wasn\'t trying to have a go at you.
I know that you actually have a
grasp on the situation.
Twas
a good idea by Israel, in this case. Yassin was command and control, and still one dangerous guy. That\'s
who you go after, people moreso than military sites, when fighting terrorism. It will help peace efforts, in this
case.
Palestinian leaders are stupid to make a big deal mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them
to get taken seriously as a political entity. They are reacting emotionally and appeasing their own hard-liners. Now
is a time they should be distancing themselves from Hamas and arresting members. They should have arrested Yassin
themselves, and Israel shouldn\'t have had to kill him. If they were making the basic arrests, they could tell
Israel to \"butt out\" and most of the world might support them. I guess they don\'t want national sovereignty,
even though most people around the world want them to have it. Very self defeating. They could have their own
country by year\'s end if the played their cards right. They could have a legit diplomatic and economic presence
in the world as well, and the power that goes along with it. Dumb and dumber! They need to be showing restraint
about now, if they want what they say they want.
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Twas a good idea by Israel, in this case. Yassin
was command and control, and still one dangerous guy. That\'s who you go after, people moreso than military
sites, when fighting terrorism. It will help peace efforts, in this case.
Palestinian leaders are stupid to make
a big deal mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them to get taken seriously as a political entity. They are
reacting emotionally and appeasing their own hard-liners. Now is a time they should be distancing themselves from
Hamas and arresting members. They should have arrested Yassin themselves, and Israel shouldn\'t have had to kill
him. If they were making the basic arrests, they could tell Israel to \"butt out\" and most of the world might
support them. I guess they don\'t want national sovereignty, even though most people around the world want them to
have it. Very self defeating. They could have their own country by year\'s end if the played their cards right.
They could have a legit diplomatic and economic presence in the world as well, and the power that goes along with
it. Dumb and dumber! They need to be showing restraint about now, if they want what they say they want.
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The whole point is to go after the leadership, command and control. The
individuals mean little if there is nobody telling them where to go and what to do. It causes major disruptions and
is devastating on their moral. Most of fighting a fight correctly is the mental part, killing the foot soldier
actually does little good. Getting rid of the leadership has far greater impact.
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Twas a good idea by Israel, in this case. Yassin was command and
control, and still one dangerous guy. That\'s who you go after, people moreso than military sites, when
fighting terrorism. It will help peace efforts, in this case.
Palestinian leaders are stupid to make a big deal
mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them to get taken seriously as a political entity. They are reacting
emotionally and appeasing their own hard-liners. Now is a time they should be distancing themselves from Hamas and
arresting members. They should have arrested Yassin themselves, and Israel shouldn\'t have had to kill him. If
they were making the basic arrests, they could tell Israel to \"butt out\" and most of the world might support
them. I guess they don\'t want national sovereignty, even though most people around the world want them to have
it. Very self defeating. They could have their own country by year\'s end if the played their cards right. They
could have a legit diplomatic and economic presence in the world as well, and the power that goes along with it.
Dumb and dumber! They need to be showing restraint about now, if they want what they say they want.
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The whole point is to go after the leadership, command and control. The
individuals mean little if there is nobody telling them where to go and what to do. It causes major disruptions and
is devastating on their moral. Most of fighting a fight correctly is the mental part, killing the foot soldier
actually does little good. Getting rid of the leadership has far greater impact.
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This is Israel\'s plan. While they have greatly stepped up security, they are not waiting to
see what the response from the Palestinians are. They are going after all of the top members of Hamas. They are
publishing their pictures in their papers and are labeling them like a deck of cards (sound familiar?) and are
crossing them off as they kill them.
I take it Israel is going to make it difficult for Bush to try to keep them
from halting their operation. They need to do what they need to do and they can\'t listen to the US or anyone tell
them to back off until every last one of these killers are dead.
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Palestinian leaders are stupid to make a big deal
mourning his death, as it makes it harder for them to get taken seriously as a political entity.
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Arafat (who was the one that called for the 3 day mourning period) and
Yassin were bitter rivals. Hamas and Arafats murderous FATEH movement hated each other.
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How
does that cliche` go? A face only a mother could love?
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Damn! Arafat is uber duper ugly....I know this really has no
bearing on anything, but just looking at him gives me a feeling as if I somehow totally escaped the cruelity of the
\"bitch\" known as Mother Nature and didn\'t end up \"that bad\".
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Myth 1: The Yassin strike will escalate the
violence
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I would like to answer that with another
newsflash:
\"Hamas promises to assasinate Premier Ariel Scharon as retribution for their killed leader
Jassin\".
Or is that what you would call: \"Short term violence\" in reaction to Jassins killing?? Didn\'t
think so...
I just feel like there is a certain \"Über-ideocity\" building in world leaders, thinking they can
conquer all forms of terrorism by sheding as much terrorist blood as possible... BUT IT ONLY FUELS TERRORISM
FURTHER!!!
Flame me all you want, I know I\'m right and you can see it on the news every single day!
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\"Hamas promises to assasinate Premier Ariel
Scharon as retribution for their killed leader Jassin\".
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Thingscouldwork....you keep pulling up all of these silly statements thinking that you are making a point.
When have they NOT tried to kill Sharon? Why are you acting as if this is news? Do you not understand that before
Yassin was killed suicide bombers were stopped EVERY SINGLE DAY in Israel? NOTHING is new. Hamas kills ALL OF THE
TIME. Nothing new.
Here is a nice story for you, Thingscouldwork. If this link doesn\'t work from AOL, I will
post one from one of the other hundreds of newssites that have posted it
today.
http://aolsvc.news.aol.
com/news/article.adp?id=20040324111409990003
Yes, that\'s very sad and the fiftenth time I tell you: Yes! Terrorists are sub-human and evil!!! BUT you
can\'t just slaughter them like cattle!!
HUMAN RIGHTS!!! (Again, it\'s not like they deserve it, but it\'s
what sets US apart from THEM... Or it is what SHOULD set us apart...)
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I just feel like there is a certain
\"Über-ideocity\" building in world leaders, thinking they can conquer all forms of terrorism by sheding as much
terrorist blood as possible... BUT IT ONLY FUELS TERRORISM FURTHER!!!
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So we should all just live with terrorism? If I am turning around your words, then please make clear what you
meant by the above statement. In the case of Israel, should they just let the terrorists continue to blow up their
people? What should they do? They have tried to talk and negotiate land for peace. What have they got out of all of
the talking? Many more bodies to bury.....that\'s what they got.
What should they do? What should all of us do?
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What should they do? What should all of us do?
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Trial his a$$ and throw him in prison, just like a democratic
country would do... Get international backing first, and so on...
But I\'m in no position to suggest such a
thing and neither are you...
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Yes, that\'s very sad and the fiftenth time I
tell you: Yes! Terrorists are sub-human and evil!!! BUT you can\'t just slaughter them like cattle!!
HUMAN
RIGHTS!!! (Again, it\'s not like they deserve it, but it\'s what sets US apart from THEM... Or it is what SHOULD
set us apart...)
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People have been using that human rights mantra
for years with the same net effect. The terrorists contnue to kill innocent people whenever they like. What would
you have us do? Sit on our hands and whine about human rights while they continue to build bombs? What about the
rights of all the people the terrorists kill? Why do people seem to believe that killers have a greater need for
their rights than innocent people.
Once they killed their first innocent victim, they gave up their right to a
peaceful existence. Their continued refusal to compromise demonstrates their utter disregard for peace or even the
rights of others. Nothing short of either imprisonment or death for the leadership is an acceptable solution that
will reduce the killings. Anything else is living in a fantasy world.
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HUMAN RIGHTS!!! (Again, it\'s not like they
deserve it, but it\'s what sets US apart from THEM... Or it is what SHOULD set us apart...)
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What I´m interested in is, if killing Yassin is
indeed the best and only way to deal with the hamas and cut down terrorism, why wasn´t it done sooner, why only just
now after such a long time? There must have been plenty of opportunities before, am I right? This is what puzzles
me a bit. Explanations please but only from those who are informed.
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thanks for
the link. But I yassin and hamas have been round longer that the timeframe mentioned in the article haven´t they.
They assassination attempt described in the article was also more recently. That´s what I ask, why not before now?
I don´t have details or a lot of info that´s why I´m asking.
The
second link was another attempt in September.
I wish
they would do the same with Arafat
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The second link was another attempt in September.
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in time on this one as yassin´s and the rest of those people have been at it much longer, see what I´m getting at?
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