I refuse to let
American\'s take any of the blame for the deaths of those innocent people on 9/11 and all of the other terrorists
acts that occurred and killed thousands of innocent lives. That is outrageous and it insults me to the core.
It seems that the
impact of 9/11 has almost completey faded away. Or what potenial\'s may erupt?
I can see how those not from
the U.S. can and maybe not feel as strongly (9/11), but this time it happen In Europe, in Spain. How is appeasement
working out now? This is the worst act of terorism I believe Spain has ever had. When we hear 190 dead in this day
and age many can take that lightly, but just imagine that, bro?
Obviously not bjf, a mass killing out of
cracked religious sake is the worst act of intolerance (pure dangerous hate/bigotry), someone thought that you and
your ideas were so wrong that they felt the need to destroy your life? How do you deal with this? How else can you?
What other choice man?
I mean brutually killing people on the masses should send up the \"what the f*ck is
going on, we have a huge f*cking problem!\" alert signal eh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
I refuse to let
American\'s take any of the blame for the deaths of those innocent people on 9/11 and all of the other terrorists
acts that occurred and killed thousands of innocent lives. That is outrageous and it insults me to the core.
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Do you guys
seriously think that diminishing anger in the muslim comumnity requires spilling the blood of every jew?
I\'d
strongly disagree.
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This has nothing to do with
diminishing their anger. It is their goal. What fairy tale land are you living in? You are acting as this is all
news to you, as if you have never heard this before.
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The goal of
the muslims I know isnt spilling my blood. They are good people.
Just like there is indoctrination over there
about jews and westerners, there is indoctrination here about muslims.
This has everyting to do with diminishing
anger in the muslim community, as innocent people are losing their lives. I can\'t underscore to you enough of
how horrific such tragedies are.
So I\'ll keep my position on this matter, and we will have to agree to
disagree.
With all due
respect....you are clueless on this subject. My jaw has dropped to the floor. I don\'t know what else to say.
Maybe if we send them
fruit baskets they will like us
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This stuff will never go away, unless some sort
of concessions are made, no matter who we bomb.
Innocent people are dying in the crossfire.
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Concessions won\'t make any difference. Innocent people were dying
before we started hunting Al Qaeda. Like any other extortionist, they\'ll be back demanding more and bigger
concessions the next time.
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My whole point is, trying to hunt Al
Qaeda will not stop things like happening from this. Also, I wouldn\'t consider hunting them a
concession.
Ideals are impractical. You can\'t root out everyone who is angry at you. And all it takes is one
angry person to do a lot of harm. There needs to be more appeasement with the Muslim world.
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The Muslim world does not want appeasement! They want the destruction of
the Jews. They are no different than Hitler, except they are complete cowards the kill innocent people.
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I\'ll agree that we need to leave the muslim world to run itself, stop
interfering with their way of life and government.
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Only when
they stop interferring with our way of life and the Israeli way of life. These people are the absolute scum of the
earth and they need to be treated that way.
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This stuff
will never go away, unless some sort of concessions are made, no matter who we bomb.
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Nonsense. There\'s only one way to deal with terrorism.
With swift and blinding
violence!
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I second that!! Kudos to Bush for having the
Huevos to after the bastards!
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EXIT FOR PRESIDENT!
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Can
I be VP! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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EXIT FOR PRESIDENT!
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Can
I be VP! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I
don\'t know. You scare me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Oh what the hell. Sure.
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Simply put, there is only one way to handle
somebody who attacks you and appeasement is not it.
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Well,
muslims and muslim extremists are two different parties. I agree that it isa dangerous message to send if we just
concede everything and give them what they want, but I am just saying give them enough to where the anger isn\'t
so great.
I\'m not willing to be a sacrificial lamb in the ideal of don\'t bargain with terrorists.
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bjf
Your replies to this thread really got my blood up!
I\'ll try to be kind. You need to stop listening to NPR. Try reading some books on the subject. Start with \"Tea
with Terrorists\". Elana can give you some more titles. Stop listening to left wing appeasement propaganda and find
out who your enemy is and why he wants YOU dead. Here\'s the long and the short of it. Do you believe in allah?
Did you bend your knee to him in submission today? If you didn\'t and aren\'t willing to then osama, taking his
instructions from the Koran and the Hadif, wants you dead. Below is a post I made to another Forum a few months
back.
islam means \"submission\". Contrary to the swill being feed to us by the media and our politicians,
islam is NOT a religion of Peace. There are two books that are the \"Hand books\" of islam. The koran, which most
have heard of, and the Hadif, which most have not heard of. Neither books have any reference to \"Peace\" in them
at all. Both books expound the teachings of mohamed the \"profit\", who, by all accounts, was a rather creepy
little deformed white guy with a goitered neck who hated Jews. According to these books, islam means \"submission,
by sword, to the will of allah !! Submit to Allah or die!!!!
According to mohamed and the \"books\" of islam
there are two worlds! Dar el islam and Dar el Harb. Dar el islam is the world belonging to islam and allah. Dar el
Harb is everything else. According to allah, mohamed and his books, everything which is not islam, i.e.. Dar el
Harb, must die. Submit to allah and islam or die is the only message in the books of islam. The Hadif is the
handbook on how to make the world of Dar el Harb submit to allah and islam. The Hadif is the book that osama bin
laden and the \"True\" believers read and adhere to. The Hadif is about 600 pages long and gets into great detail
about how to convert, by the sword, Dar el Harb into Dar el islam. Lie, cheat, steal and murder are it\'s main
means of conversion.
The message of allah, mohamed and islam is simple. You are either part of islam or you must
die!!! It doesn\'t matter if you\'re a Christian or a Jew or a Buddhist or an Aitheist; an American, a Frenchmen
or if you\'re Chinese; if you\'re not islam and refuse to \"submit\" to islam then you need to die. This is
according to allah\'s \"Will\". The world of islam breaks down into two groups. Good islamists and bad
islamists. The bad islamist don\'t read and adhere to the book. The good islamist do read and adhere to the book.
It\'s kinda like nazi Germany. You had good nazi\'s and bad nazi\'s. The good nazi\'s bought into the lies
and took part in the murders. The bad nazi\'s were swept along keeping their mouths shut lest they get sent to the
camps as well.
I am not optimistic about the future. As long as we have this \"head up the ass, politically
correct\" , \"Can\'t we all just get along\" attitude toward islam, we\'re F*CKED!!!!!
In the words of a
rather infamous Brother. \"The time has come for each and every one of you to decide. Brothers and Sisters, take 5
seconds to decide weather you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution. 5 seconds is all you
need.\"
Read some books bjf and take your 5 seconds!
Peace out Bro.
Macky, can you name that Brother?
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Ash, what you wrote is 100% correct, but the wimpy liberal in the
states and the world just refuse to believe it. The Muslims will not stop until they conquer the world. That is
their goal. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
Ash is extremely in the
know when it comes to this subject. I have had many talks with him about it and the guy is very well read and not
from biased sources.
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Ash, what you wrote is 100% correct, but the wimpy liberal in the states and
the world just refuse to believe it. The Muslims will not stop until they conquer the world. That is their goal.
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Yeah, we\'re F*CKED!!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I\'m going to go read E\'s bad about me now. That\'ll make
me feel better. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Ash, what you wrote is 100% correct, but the wimpy liberal in the states and
the world just refuse to believe it. The Muslims will not stop until they conquer the world. That is their goal.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Yeah, we\'re F*CKED!!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I\'m going to go read E\'s bad about me now. That\'ll make
me feel better. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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I took it back [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] sorry
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The muslim community
aren\'t robots who just go doing whatever their book tells them to.
There are plenty of muslims who do want
peace.
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How do you
suggest we deal with the Muslim population? If you had the stage, what would you say to them? I am not understanding
what point you want to get across to them so that they will change their mindset.
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class=\"post\">
I don\'t claim to have answers as to how to appease anyone. But I think that intelligence and
military won\'t get the job done. 190 families learned that today.
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If not the brave men in the military putting their butts in harms way then who will get it
done! You?, with your little whiny \"can\'t we all just get along\" attitude! The Un with their \"let\'s be
politically correct\" attitude? These people are not screwing around and they have to be removed from the face of
this earth and the sooner the better.
Oh, BTW, the 190 families were affected by the terroists and not the
military. Do not forget that!
Maybe we should have
appeased Hitler
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The muslim community aren\'t robots who just go doing whatever their book
tells them to.
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That\'s right bjf. Those
that DON\"T read the book want and love peace. It\'s the 500,000,000 that do read the book that you have to worry
about. Elana and I and a few others have to worry about the 500M plus people like you! Personally I\'m not
frightened by the 500M but your vacuous intransigent mind scares the S out of me.
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If not the brave men in the military putting their butts in harms way then
who will get it done!
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The military and intelligence are great
tools, but innocent people are still too vunerable.
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You?, with your little whiny \"can\'t we all just get along\" attitude!
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Not me. I went through this with Elana.
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The Un with their \"let\'s be politically
correct\" attitude? These people are not screwing around and they have to be removed from the face of this earth
and the sooner the better.
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Yep, they are not screwing around.
Keep on using the military and intelligence to remove the nutcases. But do you think we can just exteriminate them?
Obviously not. We have to improve our relations with the Muslim community, THE MODERATES. It is too bad you have
such a low opinion of muslims in general, but perhaps I am misunderstanding you.
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Oh, BTW, the 190 families were affected by the terroists and not the
military. Do not forget that!
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Saying the military and intelligence
can only go so far does not translate into blaming them for everything.
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Do you guys seriously think that diminishing anger in the muslim comumnity
requires spilling the blood of every jew?
I\'d strongly disagree.
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class=\"post\">
Then you have your head in the sand and do not really understand the issues.
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/>
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Do you guys seriously think that diminishing
anger in the muslim comumnity requires spilling the blood of every jew?
I\'d strongly disagree.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
This has nothing to do with diminishing their anger. It is their
goal. What fairy tale land are you living in? You are acting as this is all news to you, as if you have never heard
this before.
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The goal of the muslims I know isnt spilling my
blood. They are good people.
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1) You know little about
Muslims.
2) How many Muslims do you personally know?
3) I suspect the answer is NONE, so how would you know if
they are good people or not?
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Maybe if we send them fruit baskets they will like us
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Only if there are grenades in the basket.
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EXIT FOR PRESIDENT!
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Can I be VP! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I don\'t know. You scare me.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Oh what the hell. Sure.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I scare you?
Damn girl, I am terrified of you! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Do you guys
seriously think that diminishing anger in the muslim comumnity requires spilling the blood of every jew?
I\'d
strongly disagree.
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Then you have your head in the sand
and do not really understand the issues.
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I hope you get to meet
more or meet some muslims in your lifetime, and maybe your opinion of this will change.
In any case, the premise
of our arguments obviously differ, so we will just have to agree to disagree. Hopefully, we can put this one to
bed now.
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The muslim community aren\'t robots who just go doing whatever their book
tells them to.
There are plenty of muslims who do want peace.
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How do you know this? You do not know this. You think that these people think like you. They
do not! They think much differently than Western society. They feel it is their devine right to rule the world.
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Maybe we should have appeased Hitler
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We tried.....it did not work then either.
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Yep, they are not screwing around. Keep on using the military and
intelligence to remove the nutcases. But do you think we can just exteriminate them? Obviously not. We have to
improve our relations with the Muslim community, THE MODERATES. It is too bad you have such a low opinion of
muslims in general, but perhaps I am misunderstanding you.
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Nope,
you understand exactly what I am saying. Islam is dangerous to ALL the peace loving nations in the world!
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1) You know little about Muslims.
2)
How many Muslims do you personally know?
3) I suspect the answer is NONE, so how would you know if they are
good people or not?
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LOL!
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Maybe we should have appeased Hitler
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We tried.....it did not work then either.
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I didn\'t say this, just for the record.
OCP, I am done
arguing.
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It is too bad you have such a low opinion of muslims in general, but perhaps
I am misunderstanding you.
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\"misunderstanding you\" would be
an understatement bjf. Nobody on this side of the discussion has even come close to making a statement that would
lead one to believe we have a low opinion of Muslims in general. DON\'T EVEN GO THERE!
Ash, did I say that to
you, or did I say that to OCP?
OCP didn\'t have any problems with it.
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Yep, they
are not screwing around. Keep on using the military and intelligence to remove the nutcases. But do you think we
can just exteriminate them? Obviously not. We have to improve our relations with the Muslim community, THE
MODERATES. It is too bad you have such a low opinion of muslims in general, but perhaps I am misunderstanding you.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
Nope, you understand exactly what I am saying. Islam is dangerous
to ALL the peace loving nations in the world!
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Nighty Night!
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