This terrorist stuff is ridiculous

**Elana** · 03-20-2004, 02:04 PM

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Woooooo, after thinking about it, I kind of look

forward to dying and leaving this freak show, crap infested, wrong, unjust, hypocritical, b/s World.

I can\'t

wait to talk to myself in my coffen and if someone wants to blow me up, it don\'t matter I am dead...yeaaaaaa!

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Jason.....go

on your penis playground and come back when you are feeling better.

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**CJ01** · 03-20-2004, 02:04 PM

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Yes, I think it was USD and I that both mentioned

that in this thread. Spain sent a clear message to Al -quaeda and other terrorist groups, that terrorism works.

<hr /></blockquote> I think the opposite

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**Elana** · 03-20-2004, 02:05 PM

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Yes, I think it was USD and I that both mentioned that in this thread. Spain

sent a clear message to Al -quaeda and other terrorist groups, that terrorism works.

<hr /></blockquote> I think the opposite [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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/></blockquote>

CJ....you proved that what we are saying is true. You made a comment

about pulling the troops out ASAP. That sends the clearest message ever that they kill and they get their way.

**tallmacky** · 03-20-2004, 02:07 PM

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Jason.....go on your penis playground and come back

when you are feeling better. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Come on, I know there are people here who would love to kill me...or atleast strangle

me....I am willing to pay as most who try to kill themselves seem to not succeed...I wonder why?

I think

being dead may have some benefits and it gets such a bad wrap...whatever! I guess instead I will take the second

best option and sleep....ahhhhh nothingness, no b/s, no worries. I drool.

**franki** · 03-20-2004, 02:08 PM

A

country like Spain has to do what is best for itself. Every other country does that, especially the United States of

America.. If Spain\'s leaders think it is best for their country to withdraw troops from Iraq, than you would have

to respect that rather than blaming Spain\'s voters for this. That is a rather cheap shot, IMHO..

**Elana** · 03-20-2004, 02:09 PM

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If Spain\'s leaders think it is best for their

country to withdraw troops from Iraq, than you would have to respect that rather than blaming Spain\'s voters for

this. That is a rather cheap shot, IMHO..

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We were talking

about the outcome of the election [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

**franki** · 03-20-2004, 02:10 PM

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If Spain\'s leaders think it is best for their country to withdraw troops

from Iraq, than you would have to respect that rather than blaming Spain\'s voters for this. That is a rather

cheap shot, IMHO..

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We were talking about the outcome of the

election [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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yeah, i was too..

**Elana** · 03-20-2004, 02:10 PM

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A country like Spain has to do what is best for

itself. Every other country does that, especially the United States of America

<hr /></blockquote> Franki...that doesn\'t keep you from voicing your opinion of what the US should do or not do.

Are your opinions considered cheap shots?

**MysteriousMan** · 03-20-2004, 02:10 PM

I think the

article is right with the assumption that probably Al Quaeda is in charge for the bombs. The goal not to give

terrorist power over countries and their people is also commonly agreed.

The rest of the article doesn\'t

make much sense to me.

What we already have, and already had before the spanish bombs is a major increase of

the number of terrorists in the last one or two years as a direct result of Bushs behaviour. It is the result, not

his intention.

With his politics, Bush does exactly what the terrorists want him to do (to kick a$$). The

terrorists act, Bush reacts in a way that \"proves\" what the terrorists want to be proven. So the terrorists are

already in control.

Germany had its terrorists problem (RAF). It took many years to solve, but it is solved.

The successful strategy had two components
1) strength. This is similar to Bushs tactics.
2) silence. This is

the opposit of Bushs Hollywood tactics. Nobody used the topic in elections. This gave the terrorists the feeling to

be alone without support from any ordinary people. And this is why they gave up. Silence is what terrorists fear

most.

MysteriousMan

**franki** · 03-20-2004, 02:11 PM

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A country like Spain has to do what is best for itself. Every other country

does that, especially the United States of America

<hr /></blockquote> Franki...that

doesn\'t keep you from voicing your opinion of what the US should do or not do. Are your opinions considered cheap

shots?

<hr /></blockquote>

I am sure there are people who have that opinion.

**CJ01** · 03-20-2004, 02:17 PM

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Yes, I think it was USD and I that both

mentioned that in this thread. Spain sent a clear message to Al -quaeda and other terrorist groups, that terrorism

works.

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I think the

opposite

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CJ....you

proved that what we are saying is true. You made a comment about pulling the troops out ASAP. That sends the

clearest message ever that they kill and they get their way.

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/></blockquote> nope. I look at it this way: Spain got atacked because they went to Iraq.

Aznar made the decision to go here, most people in spain didn´t like the idea to begin with. Madrid got hit 3 days

before election. People reckoned it all happened because Spain went to Iraq (as do I). So they decided that the

current government is partly responsible for the attacks and thus chose a different one in the hope that it won´t

happen again.
Okay I put it as simple as possible.

Plus, a country also has other things to deal with and when

people go to election they also have other things they need to take into consideration.

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You made a comment about pulling the troops out ASAP.

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/></blockquote> Yes, I meant the british troops in the hope that London will get spared!

**Elana** · 03-20-2004, 02:19 PM

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Quote:
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You made a comment about

pulling the troops out ASAP.

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Yes, I meant the british

troops in the hope that London will get spared!

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I totally

understand where you are coming from, but at the same time IMHO it is like putting up a neon sign that says \"You

won, terrorists, just bully us around and we will do whatever you want...just don\'t hurt us\"

upsidedown · 03-20-2004, 02:19 PM

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With his politics, Bush does exactly what the

terrorists want him to do (to kick a$$). The terrorists act, Bush reacts in a way that \"proves\" what the

terrorists want to be proven. So the terrorists are already in control.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you will recall, Al Qaeda tried to blow up the World Trade Center back in the early days

of the Clinton adminstration. We did practically nothing to them for that attempt, yet instead of Al Quada backing

off and the threat going away, they came back with airplanes and succeeded in knocking the buildings down the next

time.

You can\'t blame any of that on Bush as he wasn\'t handling terrorist policy from the time

between the first WTC attack and the last one.

If we had gone after Al Quada the way Bush has after the

first WTC attack, I doubt the second one would have happened.

**MysteriousMan** · 03-20-2004, 02:30 PM

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With his politics, Bush does exactly what the terrorists want him to do (to

kick a$$). The terrorists act, Bush reacts in a way that \"proves\" what the terrorists want to be proven. So the

terrorists are already in control.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you will recall, Al Qaeda

tried to blow up the World Trade Center back in the early days of the Clinton adminstration. We did practically

nothing to them for that attempt, yet instead of Al Quada backing off and the threat going away, they came back with

airplanes and succeeded in knocking the buildings down the next time.

You can\'t blame any of that on Bush as

he wasn\'t handling terrorist policy from the time between the first WTC attack and the last one.

If we had

gone after Al Quada the way Bush has after the first WTC attack, I doubt the second one would have happened.

<hr

/></blockquote>

You\'re probably right.
But you don\'t talk about my main argument:

that Bushs politics leads to much more terrorists all over the world.

MysteriousMan

**CJ01** · 03-20-2004, 02:35 PM

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I totally understand where you are coming from, but

at the same time IMHO it is like putting up a neon sign that says \"You won, terrorists, just bully us around and

we will do whatever you want...just don\'t hurt us\"

<hr /></blockquote>

You

see, I have doubts that al qaeda was responsible for Madrid, I´ve said it before as well. There are signs of it but

no real proof!

And if looking `cowardish´ spares a few hundreds or thousands lives, then F*ck it, so be it!

No use looking all macho when when you end up in the morgue.
Ever heard of bluffing?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

A new set of tactics to help fight terrorism needs to be

found IMO, in addtion. Like cutting off supplies like money etc to burst the network that al qaeda ( and possible

other terrorst groups)have. But this requires more finesse than putting a tank into the landscape.
And

Afghanistan needs to get on its feet quick, so they can help better at catching more al qaeda members.

**CJ01** · 03-20-2004, 02:39 PM

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You\'re probably right.
But you don\'t talk

about my main argument: that Bushs politics leads to much more terrorists all over the world.

<hr

/></blockquote> well yes, violence creates more violence

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**MysteriousMan** · 03-20-2004, 02:40 PM

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I totally understand where you are coming from, but at the same time IMHO it

is like putting up a neon sign that says \"You won, terrorists, just bully us around and we will do whatever you

want...just don\'t hurt us\"

<hr /></blockquote>

You see, I have doubts that al

qaeda was responsible for Madrid, I´ve said it before as well. There are signs of it but no real proof!

And if

looking `cowardish´ spares a few hundreds or thousands lives, then F*ck it, so be it! No use looking all macho when

when you end up in the morgue.
Ever heard of bluffing? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

A

new set of tactics to help fight terrorism needs to be found IMO, in addtion. Like cutting off supplies like money

etc to burst the network that al qaeda ( and possible other terrorst groups)have. But this requires more finesse

than putting a tank into the landscape.
And Afghanistan needs to get on its feet quick, so they can help better at

catching more al qaeda members.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well spoken. I

agree.

MysteriousMan

**tallmacky** · 03-20-2004, 06:52 PM

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!!!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Ahhhh I love Rambo!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If anyone is in a

pissy mood watch Rambo III [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**druid** · 03-20-2004, 07:49 PM

Just

started readin this thread and want to chime in

1)The one thing I think Bush has done right in his adminstration

was go after the taliban. Though going after Sadam in Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists. All the reports say

that Sadam was a BS muslim and that is very important to Osama and company. So I seriosly doubt he would even try

to sit down to work something about with Sadam (much less team up with him). I seriously doubt that Clinton could

have done anything thing about the WTC attacks. Maybe if our government wasn\'t such a slow and jumble mess that

note that FBI agent wrote could have gotten to the president\'s hand.

2)Muslim Fudmentlists, they are the ones

who do what the koran and the hidthe(sp?) literally say, want us dead because we are a nation of perdomintely

christians -- they hate christians -- and because we support Israel. They hate Jews. I have to aggree with Ash and

Elana on this. Don\'t believe me? Go read \"Tea with Terrorists\". It is written by a guy who risked his life

and actually interviewed with some of this fudmentislists. Now personally I think that most muslims are bad muslims

(they belong to the religion because it is part of their culture) and are actually good people. You can\'t be a

good person and a good muslim. They are mutally exclusive.

**OCP** · 03-20-2004, 09:21 PM

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Yes, I think it was USD and I that both mentioned that in this thread. Spain

sent a clear message to Al -quaeda and other terrorist groups, that terrorism works.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

That\'s why I said it would never have happened in the US. I

really believe that. After 9/11 we fought back with a vengeance against terrorism and if it were to happen to us

before elections we would go for the voice that spoke the loudest against terrorism.

<hr /></blockquote>

What really worries me is if people will really know which voice will speak the loudest.

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Damn! that is

what Exit and Elana and Ash have been saying.....I feel like I am speaking to the deaf!!!!!!!!

**OCP** · 03-20-2004, 09:23 PM

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But after the attack, about three million Spanish voters changed their

impending electoral decision. Thus, their vote was not out of anger at Aznar\'s policy but out of fear of the

terrorists\' wrath. And so we are returned to Winston Churchill\'s lamentation about avoiding crocodiles.

<hr /></blockquote>

Jep, just what I thought to myself as it happened... I recon we

might see more terrorist attacks specifically targeted to change election results to a \"anti-Bush/Iraq-War\"

Party...

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Duh,,,god damn! it people wake up before it it too

late!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

**OCP** · 03-20-2004, 09:24 PM

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I took your comments (iirc) to mean that Al-quaeda

would get the idea it would be able to walk over countries that caved in that way. It didn\'t occur to me (unless

I read you wrong and missed you saying it) that they might start planning to hit other countries on the eve of

elections.

<hr /></blockquote>

Helloo! wake up!!!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

**OCP** · 03-20-2004, 09:26 PM

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Yes, I said I fear that England is next.

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/></blockquote>

If England caves, then God help us all!!!!!!!

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**OCP** · 03-20-2004, 09:31 PM

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Quote:
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Yes, I think it was USD and I that both

mentioned that in this thread. Spain sent a clear message to Al -quaeda and other terrorist groups, that terrorism

works.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the

opposite

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CJ....you

proved that what we are saying is true. You made a comment about pulling the troops out ASAP. That sends the

clearest message ever that they kill and they get their way.

--------------------

<hr

/></blockquote> nope. I look at it this way: Spain got atacked because they went to Iraq.

Aznar made the decision to go here, most people in spain didn´t like the idea to begin with. Madrid got hit 3 days

before election. People reckoned it all happened because Spain went to Iraq (as do I). So they decided that the

current government is partly responsible for the attacks and thus chose a different one in the hope that it won´t

happen again.
Okay I put it as simple as possible.

Plus, a country also has other things to deal with and when

people go to election they also have other things they need to take into consideration.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
You made a comment about pulling the troops out ASAP.

<hr

/></blockquote> Yes, I meant the british troops in the hope that London will get spared!

<hr /></blockquote>

quit wishing!!!!god damn !understand that you are a

target!

**OCP** · 03-20-2004, 09:33 PM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr

/>
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
With his politics, Bush does exactly what the

terrorists want him to do (to kick a$$). The terrorists act, Bush reacts in a way that \"proves\" what the

terrorists want to be proven. So the terrorists are already in control.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you will recall, Al Qaeda tried to blow up the World Trade Center back in the early days of

the Clinton adminstration. We did practically nothing to them for that attempt, yet instead of Al Quada backing off

and the threat going away, they came back with airplanes and succeeded in knocking the buildings down the next time.

You can\'t blame any of that on Bush as he wasn\'t handling terrorist policy from the time between the

first WTC attack and the last one.

If we had gone after Al Quada the way Bush has after the first WTC attack, I

doubt the second one would have happened.

<hr /></blockquote>

You\'re probably

right.
But you don\'t talk about my main argument: that Bushs politics leads to much more terrorists all over the

world.

MysteriousMan

<hr /></blockquote>

Stupid!!!!!damn!!!! do you not realize

they were there already!!!!bush just exposedthem!!!!! WAKE UP!!!! THESE PEOPLE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!!!!WAKE

UP!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

**MysteriousMan** · 03-20-2004, 11:38 PM

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Stupid!!!!!damn!!!! do you not realize they

were there already!!!!bush just exposedthem!!!!!

<hr /></blockquote>
Is listening and

learning an option for somebody using so many exclamation marks?

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THESE PEOPLE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!!!!WAKE UP!!!!!!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote>
You are right.

But you don\'t even notice that I\'m saying the same.

MysteriousMan

**CJ01** · 03-21-2004, 01:45 AM

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THESE PEOPLE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!!!!WAKE UP!!!!!!

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/></blockquote> You mean Bush right [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Try to use your own mind and not just repeat what Bush is saying

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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You made a comment about pulling the troops out ASAP.

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Yes, I meant the british

troops in the hope that London will get spared!

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quit

wishing!!!!god damn !understand that you are a target!

That´s not wishing!

<hr /></blockquote>
You haven´t even tried to understand what I and some other people here are saying. NARROW!

Stop telling the rest of the world what´s good for them when you don´t even give a damn about what might happen to

others with such an attitude you don´t even deserve any support

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
Start behaving like you´re part of a team. Just because you think

your approach will work doesn´t mean it will. Stop acting like you know everything better and the rest of the world

is stupid including the terrorists. Underestimating an enemy is one of the biggest mistakes one can make.
There´s

other options that need to be considered too.

You don´t give a f*ck but I do!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Whow, that´s rough first thing in the morning after only 4

hours sleep and without coffee too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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**EXIT63** · 03-21-2004, 06:03 AM

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If England caves, then God help us all!!!!!!!

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So true.

As Maggie would say. \"This is no time to get

wobbly\".

**Elana** · 03-21-2004, 06:05 AM

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I took your comments (iirc) to mean that Al-quaeda would get the idea it

would be able to walk over countries that caved in that way. It didn\'t occur to me (unless I read you wrong and

missed you saying it) that they might start planning to hit other countries on the eve of elections.

<hr

/></blockquote>

Helloo! wake up!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote>

Ummmmmmmm OCP............SRH was making a good point.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Why are we yelling at her?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**EXIT63** · 03-21-2004, 06:20 AM

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THESE PEOPLE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!!!!WAKE UP!!!!!!

<hr

/></blockquote> You mean Bush right [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Try to use your own mind and not just repeat what Bush is saying

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr

/>
You made a comment about pulling the troops out ASAP.

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Yes, I meant the british

troops in the hope that London will get spared!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

quit

wishing!!!!god damn !understand that you are a target!

That´s not wishing!

<hr /></blockquote>
You haven´t even tried to understand what I and some other people here are saying. NARROW!

Stop telling the rest of the world what´s good for them when you don´t even give a damn about what might happen to

others with such an attitude you don´t even deserve any support

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
Start behaving like you´re part of a team. Just because you think

your approach will work doesn´t mean it will. Stop acting like you know everything better and the rest of the world

is stupid including the terrorists. Underestimating an enemy is one of the biggest mistakes one can make.
There´s

other options that need to be considered too.

You don´t give a f*ck but I do!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Whow, that´s rough first thing in the morning after only 4

hours sleep and without coffee too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr /></blockquote>

Go back to

sleep and have sweet dreams about ending terrorism by kissing the terrorist asses. Which is what you Euros do so

well.

A team? What team? A team that sits on the sidelines wringing it\'s hands? A team that turns and runs

away when they get hit? A team that stands there with their hands out after the real team has done the dirty

work?

You don\'t like our game plan? Fine. But I\'m still waiting for your plan. Let\'s hear

it.

Yeah, we will just all get together and talk about it. I\'m sure we can find some common ground. I wish I

could observe that meeting so I could laugh my ass off when they cut your throat.

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