This terrorist stuff is ridiculous

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 12:37 PM

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you´re either trying to defend

them or you´re just contradicting yourself a bit here in what you´ve said so far.

You want us to understand why

the terrorists take the actions they do but say that there´s no other way for them? Bollocks! There´s always a

better way than blowing people up.

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I never tried to rationalise

their actions!! Third time now: TERROR IS WRONG!!! IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

I say that the key in stopping it is

not trying to kill all, but rather to please them differently...

Example:

Imagine this scenario:
The USA

never started this Iraq-War, instead providing clean drinking water for the entire world and marketing that fact

using their resources to the fullest extent.

Now NOBODY can tell me that Terror would have gotten to the level

where it is now, actually it would have declined by now...

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I

don\'t mean to try and diss anyone down, but are you reading your own posts ???

I mean your from germany for

christsakes,the TERRORISTS kills innocent people here, and your trying to get people to watch from the terrorists

point of view ???

Don\'t forget your country envaded my country in the second world war, but did my people ever

resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides

from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could have lost some family

members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people represent or else you would not have said some of the

things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

**franki** · 03-19-2004, 12:42 PM

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Don\'t forget your country envaded my country

in the second world war, but did my people ever resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so

don\'t tell people to look through the sides from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in

new york too so i could have lost some family members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people

represent or else you would not have said some of the things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

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What a load of crap, Dzorro.

Of course the Dutch

attacked the german occupiers!!! It might not have been a lot of people, but there were a few who tried to sabotage

the german occupation army. And rightfully so.

**Elana** · 03-19-2004, 12:45 PM

Hi guys! Glad you came

back. I was starting to get lonely. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 12:45 PM

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Don\'t forget your country envaded my country in the second world war,

but did my people ever resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to

look through the sides from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could

have lost some family members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people represent or else you would not

have said some of the things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

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What a load of crap, Dzorro. Of course the Dutch attacked the german occupiers!!! It might not

have been a lot of people, but there were a few who tried to sabotage the german occupation army. And rightfully so.

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Yes , but not the way the terrorists do today, since that was out

of selfdefence.

DZorro,

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 12:46 PM

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Hi guys! Glad you came back. I was starting to get

lonely. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] hey elana

DZorro,

**Elana** · 03-19-2004, 12:46 PM

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no, so don\'t tell people to look through the

sides from terrorist they are pure evil period

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What he said

**Elana** · 03-19-2004, 12:47 PM

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Hi guys! Glad you came back. I was starting to get lonely.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] hey elana

DZorro,

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Hello Dzorro...nice to see you. You are looking very handsome today.

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**belgareth** · 03-19-2004, 12:48 PM

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you´re either trying to defend

them or you´re just contradicting yourself a bit here in what you´ve said so far.

You want us to understand why

the terrorists take the actions they do but say that there´s no other way for them? Bollocks! There´s always a

better way than blowing people up.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never tried to rationalise

their actions!! Third time now: TERROR IS WRONG!!! IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

I say that the key in stopping it is

not trying to kill all, but rather to please them differently...

Example:

Imagine this scenario:
The USA

never started this Iraq-War, instead providing clean drinking water for the entire world and marketing that fact

using their resources to the fullest extent.

Now NOBODY can tell me that Terror would have gotten to the level

where it is now, actually it would have declined by now...

<hr /></blockquote>

I

don\'t mean to try and diss anyone down, but are you reading your own posts ???

I mean your from germany for

christsakes,the TERRORISTS kills innocent people here, and your trying to get people to watch from the terrorists

point of view ???

Don\'t forget your country envaded my country in the second world war, but did my people ever

resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides

from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could have lost some family

members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people represent or else you would not have said some of the

things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

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What

happened sixty years ago is completely irrelevant. It\'s past, let\'s deal with the issues of today and leave

the rest of the hyperbole out of it.

**OCP** · 03-19-2004, 12:49 PM

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no, so

don\'t tell people to look through the sides from terrorist they are pure evil period

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What he said

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Me too!

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 12:49 PM

The dutch invaded Germany

too - via television [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but they´re nice

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 12:50 PM

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you´re either trying to defend

them or you´re just contradicting yourself a bit here in what you´ve said so far.

You want us to understand why

the terrorists take the actions they do but say that there´s no other way for them? Bollocks! There´s always a

better way than blowing people up.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never tried to rationalise

their actions!! Third time now: TERROR IS WRONG!!! IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

I say that the key in stopping it is

not trying to kill all, but rather to please them differently...

Example:

Imagine this scenario:
The USA

never started this Iraq-War, instead providing clean drinking water for the entire world and marketing that fact

using their resources to the fullest extent.

Now NOBODY can tell me that Terror would have gotten to the level

where it is now, actually it would have declined by now...

<hr /></blockquote>

I

don\'t mean to try and diss anyone down, but are you reading your own posts ???

I mean your from germany for

christsakes,the TERRORISTS kills innocent people here, and your trying to get people to watch from the terrorists

point of view ???

Don\'t forget your country envaded my country in the second world war, but did my people ever

resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides

from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could have lost some family

members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people represent or else you would not have said some of the

things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

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What

happened sixty years ago is completely irrelevant. It\'s past, let\'s deal with the issues of today and leave

the rest of the hyperbole out of it.

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Sorry , about that

Belgareth, i was just trying to make a point to him that\'s all, as i said i\'m not trying to diss anyone but

some of the things he said, really strated to piss me off.

DZorro,

**OCP** · 03-19-2004, 12:50 PM

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you´re either trying to defend

them or you´re just contradicting yourself a bit here in what you´ve said so far.

You want us to understand why

the terrorists take the actions they do but say that there´s no other way for them? Bollocks! There´s always a

better way than blowing people up.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never tried to rationalise

their actions!! Third time now: TERROR IS WRONG!!! IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

I say that the key in stopping it is

not trying to kill all, but rather to please them differently...

Example:

Imagine this scenario:
The USA

never started this Iraq-War, instead providing clean drinking water for the entire world and marketing that fact

using their resources to the fullest extent.

Now NOBODY can tell me that Terror would have gotten to the level

where it is now, actually it would have declined by now...

<hr /></blockquote>

I

don\'t mean to try and diss anyone down, but are you reading your own posts ???

I mean your from germany for

christsakes,the TERRORISTS kills innocent people here, and your trying to get people to watch from the terrorists

point of view ???

Don\'t forget your country envaded my country in the second world war, but did my people ever

resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides

from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could have lost some family

members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people represent or else you would not have said some of the

things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

<hr /></blockquote>

What

happened sixty years ago is completely irrelevant. It\'s past, let\'s deal with the issues of today and leave

the rest of the hyperbole out of it.

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He who forgets history is

doomed to repeat it. Of course it is relavent. This whole issue started because of what happened 60 years ago.

**franki** · 03-19-2004, 12:51 PM

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The dutch invaded Germany too - via television

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but they´re nice [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Yeah, we\'re

nice and we don\'t bite. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 12:51 PM

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The dutch invaded Germany too - via television

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but they´re nice [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Really ?? i must

have miss that one [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

DZorro,

**franki** · 03-19-2004, 12:53 PM

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Don\'t

forget your country envaded my country in the second world war, but did my people ever resorted to use those tactics

those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides from terrorist they are pure

evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could have lost some family members too, i don\'t think

you now the danger these people represent or else you would not have said some of the things you said. so i\'l

leave it at that.

DZorro,

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What a load of crap, Dzorro. Of

course the Dutch attacked the german occupiers!!! It might not have been a lot of people, but there were a few who

tried to sabotage the german occupation army. And rightfully so.

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Yes , but not the way the terrorists do today, since that was out of selfdefence.

DZorro,

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So what was your point with the World War 2 Story?

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 12:56 PM

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Don\'t forget your country envaded my

country in the second world war, but did my people ever resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ???

no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family

living in new york too so i could have lost some family members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these

people represent or else you would not have said some of the things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

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What a load of crap, Dzorro. Of course the Dutch attacked the

german occupiers!!! It might not have been a lot of people, but there were a few who tried to sabotage the german

occupation army. And rightfully so.

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Yes , but not the way the

terrorists do today, since that was out of selfdefence.

DZorro,

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So what was your point with the World War 2 Story?

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That the terrorists are pure evil period.

DZorro,

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 12:56 PM

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This whole issue started because of what happened 60 years ago.

<hr

/></blockquote> Excuse me? now the germans are responsible for terrorist attacks of today

too? Anything else, like the biblical plagues perhaps?

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He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

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People who dwell on the past don´t move forward
Besides,history is repeated anyway. People

still haven´t learned. One way to avoid things from happening again is to understand how the happened in the first

place.

Some of the statements here said are just overemotional if anything

**DrSmellThis** · 03-19-2004, 12:58 PM

I counseled dozens

of 9/11 victims, starting on 9/11; and had lived and worked in the WTC. I was emotionally crazy, enraged and

militant.

I still believe that the wise know their enemies well, whereas fools see only their own

perspectives.

**Elana** · 03-19-2004, 01:01 PM

The Jews have a saying

\"Never again\"
We don\'t dwell on the past but we don\'t forget and we keep our eyes opened for signs of new

and dangerous waves.

The past is very relevant to our future........but yes, as CJ said this started centuries

before the holocaust.

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 01:02 PM

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So what was your point with the World War 2 Story?

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That the

terrorists are pure evil period

<hr /></blockquote>
Comparing the war to the actions of

the terrorists today doesn´t really make sense to me. The war was a war, it was `open´if you will. The Nazis had a

face and uniforms and a voice, they didn´t sneak round trains to plant bombs in a sneaky way and then hide

somewhere. They were visible. The terrorists we have to deal with now are not.

**OCP** · 03-19-2004, 01:05 PM

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This whole

issue started because of what happened 60 years ago.

<hr /></blockquote> Excuse me?

now the germans are responsible for terrorist attacks of today too? Anything else, like the biblical plagues

perhaps? <blockquote>Quote:<hr />

Do you not know that The Jews went back

to Jerusalem because of the Germans in world war two and that they were given the land by England, so that they

would have a place on this earth to live. Do you not understand the root cause of the terrorism is to strike at

those who protect Israel and keep the Arab nations from removing Israel from the face of the Earth. This is basic.

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 01:05 PM

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I counseled dozens of 9/11 victims, starting on

9/11; and had lived and worked in the WTC. I was emotionally crazy, enraged and militant. I still believe that the

wise know their enemies well, whereas fools see only their own perspectives.

<hr /></blockquote>

you are right, but there will always be diffrent point of view on this topic. but ask yourself

this, would you still want to negotiate with terrorists when they murder your famlily, like some of the people here

refer too ?? so the people who did not loose anyone, due to terrorists attack always have the easy answer out of

this one. They talk of peace, until the terrorists strike and boom all of a sudden they want them eliminated too.

I think i must have had to much booze toninght, so sorry if i\'m not thinking straight about this. to much

alcohol can do this [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

DZorro,

**Elana** · 03-19-2004, 01:07 PM

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Do you not know that The Jews went back to

Jerusalem because of the Germans in world war two and that they were given the land by England, so that they would

have a place on this earth to live. Do you not understand the root cause of the terrorism is to strike at those who

protect Israel and keep the Arab nations from removing Israel from the face of the Earth. This is basic.

<hr

/></blockquote>

This is true. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 01:10 PM

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So what was your point with the World War 2 Story?

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That the

terrorists are pure evil period

<hr /></blockquote>
Comparing the war to the actions of

the terrorists today doesn´t really make sense to me. The war was a war, it was `open´if you will. The Nazis had a

face and uniforms and a voice, they didn´t sneak round trains to plant bombs in a sneaky way and then hide

somewhere. They were visible. The terrorists we have to deal with now are not.

<hr /></blockquote>

I was just trying to make a point to thingscouldbe, that these terrorists can\'t be negotiate

with, like he said in his previous posts, but i guess i should have left some of the things out of it, so i

appologise if anyone was offended, it\'s just some of the things he said pissed me off a bit.

DZorro,

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 01:13 PM

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Do you not know that The Jews went back to Jerusalem because of the Germans

in world war two and that they were given the land by England, so that they would have a place on this earth to

live. Do you not understand the root cause of the terrorism is to strike at those who protect Israel and keep the

Arab nations from removing Israel from the face of the Earth. This is basic.

<hr /></blockquote> If they went back it means that they were there before tho right?
You say it was England who

`gave´ them the land.
Who had the land before ?

**belgareth** · 03-19-2004, 01:13 PM

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you´re either trying to defend

them or you´re just contradicting yourself a bit here in what you´ve said so far.

You want us to understand why

the terrorists take the actions they do but say that there´s no other way for them? Bollocks! There´s always a

better way than blowing people up.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never tried to rationalise

their actions!! Third time now: TERROR IS WRONG!!! IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

I say that the key in stopping it is

not trying to kill all, but rather to please them differently...

Example:

Imagine this scenario:
The USA

never started this Iraq-War, instead providing clean drinking water for the entire world and marketing that fact

using their resources to the fullest extent.

Now NOBODY can tell me that Terror would have gotten to the level

where it is now, actually it would have declined by now...

<hr /></blockquote>

I

don\'t mean to try and diss anyone down, but are you reading your own posts ???

I mean your from germany for

christsakes,the TERRORISTS kills innocent people here, and your trying to get people to watch from the terrorists

point of view ???

Don\'t forget your country envaded my country in the second world war, but did my people ever

resorted to use those tactics those terrorist use today ??? no, so don\'t tell people to look through the sides

from terrorist they are pure evil period !!! i have family living in new york too so i could have lost some family

members too, i don\'t think you now the danger these people represent or else you would not have said some of the

things you said. so i\'l leave it at that.

DZorro,

<hr /></blockquote>

What

happened sixty years ago is completely irrelevant. It\'s past, let\'s deal with the issues of today and leave

the rest of the hyperbole out of it.

<hr /></blockquote>

He who forgets history is

doomed to repeat it. Of course it is relavent. This whole issue started because of what happened 60 years ago.

<hr /></blockquote>

Quite true. How do you intend to change it? Who said anything

about not learning from history? But I did say we need to deal with today\'s issues, not issues of the past that

cannot be changed.

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 01:17 PM

exactly. We can´t change

what happened donkeys years ago, it´s just not possible.

People here say that negotiations of any kind are not an

option. So what else does that leave us with? Kill back, and they they will kill back and so on and we have an

endless cycle. And that will not make us any better than them IMO.

**DZorro** · 03-19-2004, 01:22 PM

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exactly. We can´t change what happened donkeys

years ago, it´s just not possible.

People here say that negotiations of any kind are not an option. So what else

does that leave us with? Kill back, and they they will kill back and so on and we have an endless cycle. And that

will not make us any better than them IMO.

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it\'s just like you

say, but look at presant between israel and palestanian, whenever they talk of peace tose damn terrorists strike at

israel, it is the terrorists them self that don\'t want peace here. thats why they are still fighting

today.

DZorro,

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 01:36 PM

And now USA and parts of

Europe are getting caught up in pretty much the same situation. I´m glad you mentioned Palestinia and Israel

because they were the first example on my mind too. And neither of the leaders have any control over their people.

I wish they´d really get their acts together on home turf.

I have this suspicion that the Madrid attacks must

have been supporters of Saddam, I have no other realy plausuble explanation so far.

**CJ01** · 03-19-2004, 01:53 PM

- from Pakistan:

thought I´d post this

too:

[url=\"http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040319/140/eozoy.html\"]http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040319/140/eozoy.html[/ur

l]

British \'Join Hunt For Bin Laden\'
An airport official in Kabul has claimed that 100 British special

forces have arrived in Afghanistan to join the hunt for Osama bin Laden and his deputies.The Pakistan Army says up

to 400 militants are cornered in a firefight on the border where it is thought Ayman al-Zawahri may be holed-up.Two

suspected terrorists have reportedly been killed in the fierce battles.

The Pakistan Army launched an attack on

militants thought to be protecting al-Zawahri following a \"surrender or die\" ultimatum which expired at 7am this

morning British time.

Fifteen Pakistani soldiers have been killed since Thursday in heavy fighting with the

militants, a government official said.

Intelligence sources believe al Qaeda\'s top strategist Ayman al-Zawahri

is holed up in a mud fort in South Waziristan - one of the most remote parts of a lawless tribal region on the

Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

But a spokesman for the Taliban has denied claims al-Zawahri is surrounded and says

he is not in Pakistan, but alive and well in Afghanistan.

Following the expiration of the deadline, an army

spokesman told Reuters news agency: \"The operation is on\".

Since Tuesday, hundreds of Pakistani troops and

paramilitary rangers have pounded several fortress-like mud-brick compounds with artillery and fired on them from

helicopter gunships.

It is thought al-Zawahri may have been wounded in two days of fierce fighting between

Pakistani soldiers and about 200 fighters loyal to the terror network.

Yesterday Pakistani President Pervez

Musharraf told CNN: \"The resistance that is being offered by the people there, we feel that there may be a

high-value target.\"

There was no indication that bin Laden was with Egyptian-born al-Zawahri, 52, although the

pair have been known to travel together in the past.

Yesterday, the reward for the capture of bin Laden was

doubled to 50 million dollars (?27.2 million).

US government sources believe he played a significant role in the

September 11, 2001, attacks in Washington and New York.

More from Sky News:
Terror Chief Osama bin Laden\'s

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