Ladies : opinion please!

[tigereyes]

Hi

everyone.

I just want to ask a few questions so this can finally be cleared once and for all out of my

mind.

Can a woman go off a guy because he does too much for her and treats her like a princess in every

way?

Even if he is considered beautiful and perfect? \'male barbie doll\' etc and who is a model?

Reason

why im asking this is, this is whats happened to me and its constantly playing on my mind and i cant rest until i

get answers. Now this woman isnt stunning but has many probs and says she doesnt want a relationship etc. I think

she is lying cos i saw her the other night with some 54 yr old guy who is ugly!

People say i can do better but

just need to get this cleared up.

Thanks babes

x

[EXIT63]

abso-freakin-lutely

Treat that ho like the bitch that she is....She\'ll love you for it.

It\'s possible

that the 54 yo ugly guy does pushups without usung his hands. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[pico]

forgive me if

you only want advice from the ladies...
i\'m not a lady, but giving them whatever they ask for is not

sexy.
Women see this as weak and needy.

Confidence, and knowing what you want sparks up the attraction in

women.

again you probably want to listen more to the ladies here then myself, but this is just my 2cents.

good

luck tigereyes

[Gossamer_2701]

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Now this woman isnt stunning but has many probs and

says she doesnt want a relationship etc. I think she is lying cos i saw her the other night with some 54 yr old guy

who is ugly!

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People tend to be insecure about themselves....

\'male Barbi dolls\' included.... and if the woman is less attractive, and has many problems, she may just be

\'protecting\' herself with a \'preemptive strike\'.

She probably views you as \'out of her league\'

and figures that you\'ll come to your senses and find someone just as attractive as yourself... sooner or later...

and she just doesn\'t want to get hurt. That would probably explain the 54yo ugly guy.... she\'s the \'pretty

one\' in the relationship.

And NO... women don\'t like to date a doormat.... you can be kind and giving, but

have a backbone and treat her like a real person.

[Elana]

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People tend to be insecure about themselves....

\'male Barbi dolls\' included.... and if the woman is less attractive, and has many problems, she may just be

\'protecting\' herself with a \'preemptive strike\'.


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This could be true and it is also true on your end. You are insecure, so you are going for a women that is

less attractive and has a lot of problems because you really don\'t think that you can do much

better.

Treating a woman with respect is mandatory, but without confidence you will get no where.

You

need to work on yourself. You are lucky that you already have a head start in the looks department, but what else

have you got to offer? An insecure, gorgeous man will get his foot in the door and then the door will slam right on

his face.

Why are you so insecure? What can you do to make yourself feel like the man that you really

are?

[Holmes]

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Can a woman go off a guy because he does too much

for her and treats her like a princess in every way?

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Does the Pope

sh*t in the woods?


Holmes

[Elana]

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Can a woman go off a guy because he does too much for her and treats her like

a princess in every way?

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Does the Pope sh*t in the

woods?


Holmes

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[tigereyes]

Thanks

for the replys you lot.

Gossamer you have a very good point, i think your right, she has only ever been with

average or ugly looking men.

Its a real pain because lots of women i date always get scared and say \' why are

you with me? you can do better\' etc.

Elana:
You Have some valid points there and ones that a lot of people

have been telling me. I did come across as being very insecure because i would always be complaining about the way i

look that i was unhappy etc. Its funny because all of my relationships have been with average looking woman. Ones

that i wasnt initially attracted to.

This is how i treated her: weekend breaks staying in best hotels.

Tiffany

jewellery, designer handbags, cooked for her, romantic dinners. The works.

Now i know what i did wrong. I told

her everything about me my secrets, everything. Treated her too well, was too nice ( a doormat ) and did come across

as being too needy etc.

I got bullied at school and never had a girlfriend so i became very insecure. I thought

it was because of my looks. I used to be the fat kid.
People dont even recognise me now!

After this weekend i

have started to realise what other people see in me. Because so many people keep telling me. It must be the

truth.

Thanks for the advice! I get my TE this week. I cant wait!

Dunno if this extreme 99 stuff is working

though.

Will keep you lot updated on my progress as i have 3 dates this week and then more next week so im hoping

the edge will help me out!

[CJ01]

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I think she is lying cos i saw her the other night

with some 54 yr old guy who is ugly!

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> A certain indication that she´s

bonking him!

Another thing, just because someone is interested in a person who isn´t as `good looking´ is not

necessarily a result of being insecure, it can also mean that you´re simply not too shallow.

You say that she

isn´t stunning, so are you really interested in her or is it that you´re ego is slightly dazed and confused because

you´re a bit selfconcious yourself? Or do you really care about her?

The possibility of self protection is there

too as already mentioned. Good looking guy who can get laid when he wants to, will probably cheat

anyway......???

Best not to worry too much though, maybe she really does not want a relationship, the reasons can

be pretty simple. Maybe it was too much of a good thing and she felt too crowded

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[Kari]

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Hi everyone.

I just want to ask a few questions

so this can finally be cleared once and for all out of my mind.

Can a woman go off a guy because he does too much

for her and treats her like a princess in every way?

Even if he is considered beautiful and perfect? \'male

barbie doll\' etc and who is a model?

Reason why im asking this is, this is whats happened to me and its

constantly playing on my mind and i cant rest until i get answers. Now this woman isnt stunning but has many probs

and says she doesnt want a relationship etc. I think she is lying cos i saw her the other night with some 54 yr old

guy who is ugly!

People say i can do better but just need to get this cleared up.

Thanks babes

x

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Could be a lot of things. For one thing, women tend to be a little less

visually \"hard-wired\" than men. Women like a great looking guy. But, if the emotional and intellectual

connection isn\'t there, she\'ll go find a man who may not be as classically good looking, but is more on her

\"wave length.\" Maybe she feels that you two just aren\'t right for eachother? Mabe you can \"do better,\" or

at least find someone who might be better for you.

Secondly, if you are drop dead handsome, she might be

intimidated. It\'s hard to see your man being sized up by other babes, all the time.

Third-- are you trying

TOO hard? You CAN\'T treat a woman \"too well.\" But, you CAN come off as clingy or needy-- or posessive.

That\'s scary. I remember a guy who would call every two hours, on the day I was due home from a trip.........

BRRRRHHHHH! On evenings when I said I wanted time alone, he would say, \"Great! I\'ll come over and bring

Chinese.\" YIKES!

Also-- the guy with whom you saw her could be just a friend, or a business associate. I go

out with platonic friends, all the time, in addition to men for romantic purposes. A lover, or potential lover, who

expresses jealousy of my male friends is quickly excluded form my life. Maybe she really ISN\'T interested in a

romantic relationship, right now, but wants male companionship.

[CJ01]

Pretty much what

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For one thing, women tend to be a little less visually \"hard-wired\"

than men.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> don´t say things like that

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[DrSmellThis]

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Can a woman go off a guy because he does too much for her and treats her like

a princess in every way?

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

Does the Pope sh*t in the

woods?


Holmes

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Is a bear Catholic?

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[Rakesh]

Actually the

\"will do anything for ye, my princess\" approach is probably the least effective of all, I would say on par with

\"yo, su*k me biatch\".
Been there. Done that. Got dumped. Learned from my mistakes.
Every woman IS insecure to

some degree. Don\'t use male logic here either. First she will think \"oh he\'s a real sweetie\", then

depending on whether she\'s more of the insecure or the way too secure sort, she will either go \"lo, exploitable

loser\" or \"only a really desperate junk of a man can be this nice to the heap of human waste I am\".
There are

dark and dangerous bends in the female brain you will want to avoid. Because once you cross a certain line, you

cannot win. There are only different losses, then.
The approach which was reccomended to you by just about

everybody throughout the thread is a way to stay in the favorable and sunlit parts of her.

[tigereyes]

Thanks

for all of the replys.

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The approach which was

reccomended to you by just about everybody throughout the thread is a way to stay in the favorable and sunlit parts

of her. [/quote

So final conclusion is: which approach is that? i think i know but just wanna make sure.

[Rakesh]

Don\'t be

a doormat. I wouldn\'t reccomend abusive jerk either.
Be good, be nice, but sensibly. Have a backbone. Don\'t

fulfill her every wish, let her struggle a little.

IE let her know that your gentleness is your good will

rather than a necessity out of lack of other things to offer

[CJ01]

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Thanks for all of the

replys.


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The

approach which was reccomended to you by just about everybody throughout the thread is a way to stay in the

favorable and sunlit parts of her. [/quote

So final conclusion is: which approach is that? i think i know but

just wanna make sure.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> be your lovely self

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[Kari]

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Thanks for all of the

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The approach which was reccomended to you by just about everybody throughout the thread is a way to stay in the

favorable and sunlit parts of her. [/quote

So final conclusion is: which approach is that? i think i know but

just wanna make sure.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> be your lovely self

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[bjf]

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Thanks for

all of the

replys.


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Precisely!
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n

The approach which was reccomended to you by just about everybody throughout the thread is a way to stay in the

favorable and sunlit parts of her. [/quote

So final conclusion is: which approach is that? i think i know but

just wanna make sure.



<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> be your lovely self

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Just leave out the insecure part

[Icarus]

ho ho ho,

hee hee hee

I\'m the laughing gnome and you can\'t catch me.

Steve

[Gossamer_2701]

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ho ho ho, hee hee hee

I\'m the laughing

gnome and you can\'t catch me.



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Did you just get

bubbles up your whoopsie daisy [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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(Being from the UK, you might not get this joke

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[Sacogoo]

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Now i know what i did wrong. I told her everything

about me my secrets, everything. Treated her too well, was too nice ( a doormat ) and did come across as being too

needy etc.

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Don\'t hate me because I\'m beautiful.

Sniff.

Just to let you know, looks don\'t mean jack squat once a person is in a relationship for any length of

time. Love is blind, beauty is only skin deep, blah, blah, blah. Anyhow, quit being a doofus, which is basically

anybody that proclaims themselves as a \"male Barbie doll.\" I mean, please. Maybe it came down the fact that

she just didn\'t feel anything for you deep in her soul. (And maybe she will, but just needs to figure that out

for herself, which I myself have to deal with now in trying to keep the soon to be ex from calling me six times a

day bawling her ass off while I\'m having my bookkeeper set me up with her 23 year old friend who happens to be an

aerobics instructor and massage therapist. Working out better than I anticipated, and sooner too.

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[OCP]

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Now i know what i did wrong. I told her everything about me my secrets,

everything. Treated her too well, was too nice ( a doormat ) and did come across as being too needy etc.

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Don\'t hate me because I\'m beautiful. Sniff.

Just to let you

know, looks don\'t mean jack squat once a person is in a relationship for any length of time. Love is blind,

beauty is only skin deep, blah, blah, blah. Anyhow, quit being a doofus, which is basically anybody that proclaims

themselves as a \"male Barbie doll.\" I mean, please. Maybe it came down the fact that she just didn\'t feel

anything for you deep in her soul. (And maybe she will, but just needs to figure that out for herself, which I

myself have to deal with now in trying to keep the soon to be ex from calling me six times a day bawling her ass off

while I\'m having my bookkeeper set me up with her 23 year old friend who happens to be an aerobics instructor and

massage therapist. Working out better than I anticipated, and sooner too.

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Harden your

heart and swollow your tears...\"f\" the biatch and move on to better things.

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[Rakesh]

Yeah,

cause...you know what?
You CAN do better [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[tigereyes]

Dont get

the gnome joke! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I didnt proclaim myself as a \'male

barbie doll\' other people have. So im not into myself.

Hope it goes well with the aerobics instuctor sacogoo!

u gonna be using mones?

Thanks too rakesh.

And everyone that has posted you lot have been wicked!

Got on

really well with this very attractive girl yesterday she has a fantastic body! well she texts me this morning and

says that she had an exam and she messed it up cos all she could think about was me and she cant wait to see me

thursday! could be the mones helping? i hope my TE comes before then so i can have a good evening!

Look out for

updates!