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Has anyone seen

Mels new movie The Passion of Christ?

I wouldn\'t mind going but I hate movies with subtitles.

[Kari]

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Has anyone seen Mels new movie The Passion of

Christ?

I wouldn\'t mind going but I hate movies with subtitles.

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Not going. Too much diversion from both history AND the Bible. Much more violent than the

gospels would indicate (I have read the Bible, but am not a believer, BTW). Too anti-Jewish (the Romans did it, and

Pilate was a nasty, not a reluctant nice).

Most of all, I\'m not gonna pay that little actor to proslityze me

(spelling?).

[Holmes]

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Has anyone seen Mels new movie The Passion of

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Yes.


Holmes

[EXIT63]

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Has anyone seen Mels new movie The Passion of Christ?

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Yes.

Holmes

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Well

Siskel...What\'d ya think?

[Elana]

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Too anti-Jewish (the Romans did it, and Pilate was a

nasty, not a reluctant nice).


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What she said

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[bjf]

And because

of that it will only contribute to the myths....I\'ve had to endure sh!t from christians who didn\'t have the

story straight because of those myths. Portraying events falsely in a movie that millions will see is a huge

diservice.

[Elana]

Unfortunately it has already flared up quite a bit of hate. One Baptist church put up a huge sign that read \"The

Jews killed our Lord.\" There have been several incidences already of blatant anti-Semitism. On a brighter note,

many Jewish and Christian groups have got together to discuss the issue and bring the truth to the table.

[Kari]

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And because of that it will only contribute to the

myths....I\'ve had to endure sh!t from christians who didn\'t have the story straight because of those myths.

Portraying events falsely in a movie that millions will see is a huge diservice.

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Well, one of the most oft-mentioned criticisms seems to be.... our Mel seems to have a bit of

an S&amp;M thing going. Some of the critics also noted that there was a \"quasi-crucifixion\" in Braveheart. One

critic called the flick \"The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.\"

For more.. read rottentomatoes.com

[bjf]

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And because of that it will only contribute to the myths....I\'ve had to

endure sh!t from christians who didn\'t have the story straight because of those myths. Portraying events falsely

in a movie that millions will see is a huge diservice.

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Well, one

of the most oft-mentioned criticisms seems to be.... our Mel seems to have a bit of an S&amp;M thing going. Some of

the critics also noted that there was a \"quasi-crucifixion\" in Braveheart. One critic called the flick \"The

Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.\"

For more.. read rottentomatoes.com

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A lot of his sentiments goes back to the family he was raised in. When that stuff gets

hammered into your brain as a kid, most people are deeply affected by it.

[Kari]

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Unfortunately it has already flared up quite a bit

of hate. One Baptist church put up a huge sign that read \"The Jews killed our Lord.\" There have been several

incidences already of blatant anti-Semitism. On a brighter note, many Jewish and Christian groups have got together

to discuss the issue and bring the truth to the table.

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Elana\'s right. BTW-- the baptist church\'s own congregants made the church take the sign

down. NUMEROUS reviewers are pointing out the anti-Jewish content AND the historical distortion that blames the

Jews.
(A couple of reveiwers also noted that the \"Jews\" in the movie mostly seemed to have hooked noses and

crooked teeth, while the \"Romans\" were more attractive and hygienic). We\'re getting into Renaissance Shylock

stereotypes, here. YIKES!

I think that will bite Mel in the butt, in very short order.

[Kari]

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And because

of that it will only contribute to the myths....I\'ve had to endure sh!t from christians who didn\'t have the

story straight because of those myths. Portraying events falsely in a movie that millions will see is a huge

diservice.

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Well, one of the most oft-mentioned criticisms seems

to be.... our Mel seems to have a bit of an S&amp;M thing going. Some of the critics also noted that there was a

\"quasi-crucifixion\" in Braveheart. One critic called the flick \"The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.\"

For more..

read rottentomatoes.com

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A lot of his sentiments goes back to the

family he was raised in. When that stuff gets hammered into your brain as a kid, most people are deeply affected by

it.



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Yep. But, don\'t try to force it on others. Looks

like Mel is a legend in his own mind. BTW-- He says \"the holy spirit\" helped him write it.

[Elana]

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(A couple of reveiwers also noted that the

\"Jews\" in the movie mostly seemed to have hooked noses and crooked teeth, while the \"Romans\" were more

attractive and hygienic). We\'re getting into Renaissance Shylock stereotypes, here. YIKES!


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I heard that as well. The Jews were dirty and had rotten teeth and eye

patches. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] WTF?

[Kari]

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(A couple of reveiwers also noted that the \"Jews\" in the movie mostly

seemed to have hooked noses and crooked teeth, while the \"Romans\" were more attractive and hygienic). We\'re

getting into Renaissance Shylock stereotypes, here. YIKES!


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I

heard that as well. The Jews were dirty and had rotten teeth and eye patches.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] WTF?

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.. and

also overlooked the fact that Jesus WAS a Jew.

[bjf]

Yea and also

side profiles showing the big noses.


Truthfully, I don\'t care if they make them look like crap, the problem

is, most young people - or everyone for that matter - get their information from mass media, and this movie is going

to be huggggeeeee, and shape beliefs.

[Kari]

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(A couple of reveiwers also noted that the \"Jews\" in the movie mostly

seemed to have hooked noses and crooked teeth, while the \"Romans\" were more attractive and hygienic). We\'re

getting into Renaissance Shylock stereotypes, here. YIKES!


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I

heard that as well. The Jews were dirty and had rotten teeth and eye patches.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] WTF?

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BTW--

None of my friends are going to pay to see that movie, either. We won\'t even rent it.

[Elana]

I

wouldn\'t give Mel a dime. For that matter I wouldn\'t watch this film or anything else he does, even if he paid

me.

[Holmes]

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Well Siskel...What\'d ya think?

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Revolting. Endless (unbelievably graphic) brutality peppered with a few

flashbacks. That\'s basically it. Quite a few people walked out.

Heavily skewed (as in anti-semitic). What\'s

that headed in Mel\'s direction? Oh, a ration of sh*t!

So yeah, go see it!

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Holmes

[Kari]

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Yea and also side profiles showing the big

noses.


Truthfully, I don\'t care if they make them look like crap, the problem is, most young people - or

everyone for that matter - get their information from mass media, and this movie is going to be huggggeeeee, and

shape beliefs.


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I hope it\'s a temporary hysteria. I am not a

Christian (or a member of any OTHER reigion, for that matter). But, from what I\'ve read, I would doubt that the

movie portrays the spirit or intention of Christianity.

[Kari]

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I wouldn\'t give Mel a dime. For that matter I

wouldn\'t watch this film or anything else he does, even if he paid me.

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That\'s what a couple of Jewish studio heads said, too, Elana. I think Mel made a very bad

career move.

BTW-- the day after the movie openeing, there were 122 eBay auctions for \"nail pendants.\" If I

was a JFK worshipper, would I wear a little bullet around me neck? Weird!

[Elana]

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Well Siskel...What\'d ya think?

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Revolting. Endless (unbelievably graphic) brutality peppered with a few flashbacks. That\'s

basically it. Quite a few people walked out.

Heavily skewed (as in anti-semitic). What\'s that headed in

Mel\'s direction? Oh, a ration of sh*t!

So yeah, go see it!

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Holmes

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I

will take that as a thumbs way down. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Holmes]

Mel\'s

an incredible actor and director just the same. And the movie was amazingly well-crafted (content and commentary

aside). But, rest assured, he will be hammered for this.

As horrifying an experience as it was, for

it\'s uniqueness and it\'s gumption I would still call it good art.


Holmes

[Kari]

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Mel\'s an incredible actor and director just the

same. And the movie was amazingly well-crafted (content and commentary aside). But, rest assured, he will be

hammered for this.

As horrifying an experience as it was, for it\'s uniqueness and it\'s gumption I

would still call it good art.


Holmes

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Maybe.. but I like my

art served with a lighter hand. I hate to be hammered over the head by it. That\'s why I don\'t care for Wagner.

[CJ01]

The debate

about this film reminds of what happened when `the last temptation of christ´ was out.
Some christians don´t like

jesus christ superstar, they call it sacriligous.

I don´t bother with cinema much these days, they´re just too

expensive and most films don´t tempt me enough to pay the money [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I´m still curious to see the film at some point though because I want to make up my own mind about it. I can still

appreciate an actors performance or costumes etc even if I don´t like what´s going on in a film or the contents of

it (I rarely fully agree with them anyway)

[Holmes]

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I will take that as a thumbs way down.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Yes and no. On an aesthetic level, unbelievable.

However, the

perspective was pretty f*cked up. Pinning it all on the Jews (and thus exonerating the Romans) didn\'t sit too

well. At all.


Holmes

[Elana]

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However, the perspective was pretty f*cked up.

Pinning it all on the Jews (and thus exonerating the Romans) didn\'t sit too well. At all.

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Mel\'s got an agenda.

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[franki]

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Mel\'s got an agenda.

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no shi!t!

[Kari]

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Mel\'s got an agenda.

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no shi!t!



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He\'s a 1950s conservative Roman Catholic.

[CJ01]

Is he actually

against jews like the nazis were or did he try to make a film which has a strong relation with how he was raised ?

[Kari]

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The debate about this film reminds of what happened

when `the last temptation of christ´ was out.
Some christians don´t like jesus christ superstar, they call it

sacriligous.

I don´t bother with cinema much these days, they´re just too expensive and most films don´t tempt me

enough to pay the money [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I´m still curious to see the film at some

point though because I want to make up my own mind about it. I can still appreciate an actors performance or

costumes etc even if I don´t like what´s going on in a film or the contents of it (I rarely fully agree with them

anyway)



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I go to films for escape. I don\'t think this

will do it. &lt;g&gt;

[Kari]

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Is he actually against jews like the nazis were or

is did he try to make a film which has a strong relation with how he was raised ?

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The latter, I think.