Speaking of threadlocking.

[Elana]

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Get da mon a blunt I say! He den put love inna

movie. Israela yakirati, mon. One love.


Holmes

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Cuyah, he

gwan lak he nice eee?
Dem a wan no good bunch

[Elana]

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To be fair, I don\'t think Mel intended any

harm.

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I do [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[bjf]

The idiot

Tonite Show people giving him a standing ovation is no different than the voters of California electing

Arnold.

You expect there to always be fools in this world, but when the so-called normal masses except it, that

is particularly disconcerting.

[Kari]

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The idiot Tonite Show people giving him a standing

ovation is no different than the voters of California electing Arnold.

You expect there to always be fools in

this world, but when the so-called normal masses except it, that is particularly disconcerting.



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Too many people confuse the normal-person artist for his/her heroic/larger

than life character.

[Icarus]

I thought it

was the Jedi that did Jesus in?

[Elana]

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I thought it was the Jedi that did Jesus in?



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pod people

[Kari]

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I thought it was the Jedi that did Jesus in?



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The Imperial Troops, honey. Didn\'t you see all that white

plastic armor, standing around the foot of the cross?

[Icarus]

Jedi

Pod People?

Hold me.

[Holmes]

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Dem a wan no good bunch

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Im badda dan dem!


Holmes

[Kari]

Some of my

movie industry friends tell me there\'s actually a lot of professional consternation around that flick. But,

nobody wants to mess with Mel, at this time. You know how, in some industries, colleagues \"close ranks\" if one

of their own makes a mistake? They are just gonna keep quiet, and let the movie bite Mel in the ass-- which it will

eventually do.

But, a couple of studio heads are saying that they are seriously pissed, and won\'t use Mel,

again.

The thing about this place is... there\'s a ton of talent, and a lot of it is hungry. There are a lot

of excellent artists to use and to promote. \"Star power\" is more transient than it used to be.

[Elana]

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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Dem a wan no good bunch

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Im badda dan dem!


Holmes

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Ole still, mi

si wan big maskitta pan yu foot

[Kari]

The Passion of

the Christ











February 27, 2004

I defy anyone to remain unmoved
By Ruth

Gledhill
Our correspondent finds Mel Gibson’s crucifixion movie

affecting but deeply disturbing






ONE of the most frightening aspects of the latest work of fiction from

Mel Gibson was the willingness of so many Christians in the invited audience to

believe in its absolute veracity.

Some of the most moving

scenes in The Passion of the Christ are nowhere to be found in the Bible, not

that they would necessarily be true even if they were; this is something that

can be attested from more than a century of biblical exegesis.






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Gibson has incorporated into the script some of the writings of

a German nun who died in 1824, Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich. In the latest

edition of The Tablet, the Roman Catholic weekly, Austen Ivereigh describes how

Sister Anne’s posthumously published text, The Dolorous Passion of

Our Lord Jesus Christ, reflected the popular anti-Semitism of the period. Pope Pius XII was

among the fans of Sister Anne, who is now approaching

beatification, and Gibson carries a relic of hers in his pocket.



Her influence must therefore be borne in mind when watching one powerful but

non-biblical scene, where Pilate’s sympathetic wife gives white towels to Mary and

Mary Magdalene and they wipe the floor clean of Jesus’s blood after the

scourging.

In other non-biblical scenes, Jesus is thrown off a

bridge by his tormentors, shackled in chains; Pilate at one point says all the Pharisees

hate Jesus, and also asks the High Priest, Caiaphas, whether they always

punish their prisoners before they are judged. Pilate also offers Jesus a drink of

water in a kindly gesture, and the role of his wife is exaggerated.



The most moving scene in the film for me is also not one that I recall from years of

Sunday school. Jesus, carrying his Cross, stumbles and collapses and we see a

flashback to His boyhood when, on the same stretch of road in Jerusalem, He

falls at the same spot. Mary, sensing the prophetic import of the moment, runs to

cuddle and comfort the boy. I defy any mother to remain unmoved by this

scene. I could not prevent the tears running down my cheeks here and others were similarly

affected, at this and other parts.

The Bible exerted a huge

power over me as a child. Gibson’s achievement has been to translate this power

into a film. The Passion is an extraordinary achievement in its use of light,

music, colour and language. I barely noticed the subtitles, with the Latin and Aramaic

seeming to come alive.

This is where its greatest danger lies. It

is all very well for Christians to insist this film is not

anti-Semitic, to repeat that Jesus and His mother were Jewish. Large numbers of Jewish

people who see this film are appalled, and with good reason. For centuries,

clergy have from their pulpits been preaching messages that underlaid anti-Semitic

sentiment in societies worldwide and enabled Hitler to pursue his horrifying

“Final Solution”.

In Gibson’s film, it is Jesus and his followers, the

Christians, who are the victims. The high priests, the Jews, are the

persecutors. The film will be, and is already being, treated as fact by leading Christians

in this country. Gibson left out the deicidal line from Matthew

xxvii, 25. But there are two scenes where Jesus’s persecutors demand His Crucifixion,

crying to Pilate: “Yitstalev! Yitstalev! Yitstalev!” This is

Aramaic. But it happens also to mean “ crucify Him” in modern Hebrew. I cannot understand

how anyone in a post-Holocaust era, and aware of the sensitivities

swirling around modern Israel, could have done such a provocative and distressing thing.

Passion plays in medieval times, which drew on the same texts, were often

followed by pogroms.

May their blood be on all of us Christians, for all

eternity, if we allow one single act of anti-Semitism to be inspired by

this powerful but terrifying film.

[Holmes]

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Ole still, mi si wan big maskitta pan yu foot



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ROFLMAO! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

That was gonna

be my next reply!

\"Hello, Miss Cleo?\"


Holmes

[Pancho1188]

I just wanted to say that each and every person on earth should all live by the gospel according to

Mel...Mel Brooks. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


(For those who don\'t know, he continually

pokes fun at his own religion, Hitler, etc...\"The Producers\" is a good example)

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
I just wanted to say that each and every person on

earth should all live by the gospel according to Mel...Mel Brooks.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


(For those who don\'t know, he continually pokes fun at his

own religion, Hitler, etc...\"The Producers\" is a good example)

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class=\"post\">

Then there was the Inquisition dance number in History of the World (I forget which part).



Favorite line from a Brooks movie: \"I just LOVE quicktime harch.\"

I LOVE Mel B.! a

[Holmes]

The original Gospel Of Mel begins with the words \"Stow it, Alice!\"

Words to live and die

by.


Holmes

[Pancho1188]

Okay, let\'s all get real, here. We all know who killed Jesus. God allowed Jesus\' death. If He

can burn bushes, part the seas, flood the earth, kill all the first-born children, talk to whoever He deems

\'chosen\', create the ten commandments, allow Jesus to bring Lazarus back to life, and commit other divine

acts, He could\'ve prevented that death unless it was not His will.

[Holmes]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
burn bushes, part the seas, flood the earth, kill

all the first-born children, talk to whoever He deems \'chosen\', create the ten commandments, allow Jesus to

bring Lazarus back to life, and commit other divine acts

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How\'d

you get a copy of my resume?


Holmes

[Pancho1188]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
burn bushes, part the seas, flood the earth, kill all the first-born

children, talk to whoever He deems \'chosen\', create the ten commandments, allow Jesus to bring Lazarus back to

life, and commit other divine acts

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

How\'d you get a copy of my

resume?


Holmes

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It was on HotJobs.com. Would everyone like

to see it?

Holmes
999 Heaven\'s Gate
Heaven, Universe 00000
(000) 000-0000

Education
The Holmes School

of Divine Influence
Masters Degree in Holy Might
4.0/4.0

Work Experience
Company: God, Inc.
Job Title:

Prophet
Employment Duration: Eternity
Job Description:
burn bushes, part the seas, flood the earth, kill all the

first-born children, talk to whoever He deems \'chosen\', create the ten commandments, allow Jesus to bring

Lazarus back to life, and commit other divine acts

References:
Moses
Noah
George W. Bush


Please contact

Holmes if anyone is interested.

[Holmes]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] George gave me a nice letter of recommendation. Forgot to run it

through Spell Check, though. (Is \"Ima\" a word?)

Back to topic: I heard Mel Gibson\'s into

chocolate.


Holmes

[Elana]

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Then there was the Inquisition dance number in

History of the World (I forget which part).

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OMG! That was so

frikken funny!!! That was the Spanish Inquisition dance from History of the World Part I. I am such a Mel Brooks

fan! He is so the man!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Elana]

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</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Ole still, mi si wan big maskitta pan yu foot

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class=\"post\">

ROFLMAO! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

That was gonna

be my next reply!

\"Hello, Miss Cleo?\"


Holmes

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Yeah

right! And I bet you are going to tell me that you were going to say Yu can cyarri dis cow pan yuh chuck? next

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Holmes]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Then there was the Inquisition dance number in History of the World (I

forget which part).

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

OMG! That was so frikken funny!!! That was

the Spanish Inquisition dance from History of the World Part I. I am such a Mel Brooks fan! He is so the man!!!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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That was

amazing. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I loved Dom Deluise as Ceasar, too.


Holmes

[Holmes]

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</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Ole still, mi

si wan big maskitta pan yu foot

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ROFLMAO!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

That was gonna be my next reply!

\"Hello, Miss

Cleo?\"


Holmes

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Yeah right! And I bet you are going to tell

me that you were going to say Yu can cyarri dis cow pan yuh chuck? next

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


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No, actually

I was gonna point out that \"Mel Im love chaklit cake with nuff icenin.\" That Beyonce/Betty Crocker thing was

proof enough.


Holmes

[Elana]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Then there

was the Inquisition dance number in History of the World (I forget which part).

<hr /></blockquote><font

class=\"post\">

OMG! That was so frikken funny!!! That was the Spanish Inquisition dance from History of the

World Part I. I am such a Mel Brooks fan! He is so the man!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

That was amazing. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I loved Dom

Deluise as Ceasar, too.


Holmes

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
One of his greatest characters was the late Madeline Kahn as Lili

Von Shtupp in Blazing Saddles. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

With the exception of Space

Balls, everything he touches is gold. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Holmes]

Even Spaceballs had its moments, though.

Blazing Saddles is the greatest.


Holmes

[Elana]

The Producers was pretty damn funny. Springtime for Hitler in Germany

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Holmes]

The Producers was really funny. Haven\'t seen it on Broadway yet. I guess I\'m waiting for Ben Stiller

and Larry David to take over... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]


Holmes

[Elana]

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The Producers I guess I\'m waiting for

Ben Stiller and Larry David to take over... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]


Holmes

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Kari]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Then there was the Inquisition dance number in History of the World (I

forget which part).

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

OMG! That was so frikken funny!!! That was

the Spanish Inquisition dance from History of the World Part I. I am such a Mel Brooks fan! He is so the man!!!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Hey,

Torquemada! Whaddaya say?
I just got back form the auto-da-fe.
Auto-da-fe? What\'s an auto-da-fe?
It\'s what

you oughn\'t to do, but you do anyway.