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    visit-red-300x50PNG
    I\'m not

    really up to employing google right now [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
    Some mosaics show people

    with brown or blonde hair, for example. The question is how much this could be done artificially (bleaching), but

    the statues don\'t show the modern day italian type either. The world is running out of blondes (stop right there,

    90% of blonde people today are bleached) because the darker genes are dominant.

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    I wouldn\'t

    kill rakeesh on this one, stereo types can be grounded in truth.

    There is definitely some shared traits for

    jews. I can often tell one by looking (Elana is not one of those people) and people can tell I am jewish.

    I have

    noticed certain re-ocurring facial features in people in different parts of the United States. That is not to say

    people in each region look the same.

    It is all about the gene pool.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Some mosaics show people with brown or blonde hair,

    for example.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Good proof. I wonder if that is where Mel got his

    data too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    bjf....how

    did the Roman\'s differ from the Jews in looks?

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    bjf....how did the Roman\'s differ from the Jews

    in looks?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I have no clue.

    I don\'t know a damn thing about

    them. Hell, even people in Israel have those amazing green eyes that jews here often do not have.


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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    Well without antisemitism we can\'t deny that 1)ethnical jews do tend to be

    nasaly challenged 2)historical romans were of the blonde blue eyed sort (those genes dissapeared over time though,

    as fair haired genes always do).
    Furthermore, the bad hygiene thing isn\'t so far from truth either. Unlike the

    rest of the world, the romans actually had a bath once in a while. It\'s not just the jews, everywhere outside the

    empire was a bit...rugged.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    If you know anything about the Jewish

    religion, you will know that cleanliness is intertwined with many traditions. Think Kosher...think Mikvahs.....Jews

    were not any less clean than the Roman\'s. That is ridiculous. Who told you that, Mel?

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Elana is right

    on track here. You tell them! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Good proof. I wonder if that is where Mel got his

    data too.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Apparently, you know better than the romans themselves how

    they looked.

    The problem is that people think that an ethnic sharing a trait=bad thing. Saying that people in

    africa generally tend to be black isn\'t an evil racist attack nor a stereotype.

    And just because some things

    have been said a thousand times doesn\'t mean they\'re any less true. Apparently, it still wasn\'t said enough

    times when some people still don\'t get it.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    There is definitely some shared traits for jews. I

    can often tell one by looking (Elana is not one of those people) and people can tell I am jewish.

    I have noticed

    certain re-ocurring facial features in people in different parts of the United States. That is not to say people in

    each region look the same.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I´m quiete good at guessing peoples

    nationality or `origins´that way but I honestly can´t say that about someone of a certain religion. And what rakesh

    said just sounded like plain old prejudice to me. Also made me think of that scene in `the last metro´ in the

    basement. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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    You ignored

    my proof about Jews and cleanliness. I gave you proof. You are saying that Jews were unclean. I want proof. Show me

    something to back up your comments.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Saying that people in africa generally tend to be

    black isn\'t an evil racist attack nor a stereotype.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> but at least

    it´s a fact and it´s not about religion either.

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />


    And just because some things have been said a thousand times doesn\'t mean they\'re any less true.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
    doesn´t mean they are true either

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    There is definitely some shared traits for jews. I can often tell one by

    looking (Elana is not one of those people) and people can tell I am jewish.

    I have noticed certain re-ocurring

    facial features in people in different parts of the United States. That is not to say people in each region look the

    same.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> I´m quiete good at guessing peoples nationality or

    `origins´that way but I honestly can´t say that about someone of a certain religion. And what rakesh said just

    sounded like plain old prejudice to me. Also made me think of that scene in `the last metro´ in the basement.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I don\'t

    think he was being prejudice. Sometimes people can get beaten up for saying things that are partly true. The movie

    was a load of bs though they way people were depicted. There is a difference between ethnic tendencies and

    over-exaggeration\'s of them.

    You can tell what nation people are from. yes, this is the shared gene pool

    thing. Religions can be different, but since jews are minorities and haven\'t spread out there gene pool as well

    (or something) people still ask me who have never met a jew if I am jewish.

    I don\'t practice, but if other

    people can tell I am jewish by looking at me, I must be Jewish. That is why a lot of jews think of it as an

    ethnicity. Not because they choose to believe they are jewish, but because others tell them they are jewish.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Well without antisemitism we can\'t deny that

    1)ethnical jews do tend to be nasaly challenged 2)historical romans were of the blonde blue eyed sort (those genes

    dissapeared over time though, as fair haired genes always do).
    Furthermore, the bad hygiene thing isn\'t so far

    from truth either. Unlike the rest of the world, the romans actually had a bath once in a while. It\'s not just

    the jews, everywhere outside the empire was a bit...rugged.

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    Good for Mel and others with like minds. Their agendas really seem to work.

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    You want

    proof?
    Romans=baths. Big arse public baths, actually.
    Middle east=no baths. Partially because of the general

    shortage of water.
    You misinterpret me again. It\'s must easier to twist an argument into an attack.

    \"Unclean\" sounds pretty offensive, racistic even. But if you think you can go somewhere with not much water and

    average temperatures around 40 degrees centigrade AND 2000 years before somebody came up with deodorants and be

    clean as a lily...
    The Jews were much cleaner than anybody in the area, but the romans were even further. The

    conditions just didn\'t allow anything else.

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    \"but at

    least it´s a fact and it´s not about religion either\"
    noses are religion?

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You want proof?
    Romans=baths. Big arse public

    baths, actually.
    Middle east=no baths. Partially because of the general shortage of water.
    You misinterpret me

    again. It\'s must easier to twist an argument into an attack. \"Unclean\" sounds pretty offensive, racistic

    even. But if you think you can go somewhere with not much water and average temperatures around 40 degrees

    centigrade AND 2000 years before somebody came up with deodorants and be clean as a lily...
    The Jews were much

    cleaner than anybody in the area, but the romans were even further. The conditions just didn\'t allow anything

    else.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> Read up a bit on Jewish traditions and what they were stemmed

    from. You will note just how wrong you are.

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    lol

    agendas?
    Evil bad naughty politically incorrect history books, gotta sue them

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    lol agendas?
    Evil bad naughty politically

    incorrect history books, gotta sue them

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You are right. I was just

    reading a funny story in my history book about this ugly Jew with a huge nose wearing an eye patch. It was so funny.

    I can\'t wait to see the ending. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    I can\'t

    believe im being bashed because I said that romans had more baths than the jews and that the jews tend to have a

    specific visage....

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    lol agendas?
    Evil bad naughty politically incorrect history books, gotta sue

    them

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You are right. I was just reading a funny story in my

    history book about this ugly Jew with a huge nose wearing an eye patch. It was so funny. I can\'t wait to see the

    ending. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Yea,

    if the jews were all ugly in the movie, that is saying something right there about his opinion of them.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    I can\'t believe im being bashed because I said

    that romans had more baths than the jews and that the jews tend to have a specific visage....


    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
    You are saying that history says this and that about Jews. What you are

    saying is not true. Should I just sit here and let you say whatever you feel like saying and not argue with you If I

    feel that you are completely wrong?

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    Will you

    stop twisting everything I say into racistic attacks?
    I never said \"ugly\" nor \"eye patch\". I said \"big

    nose\" which is both a significantly rooted stereotype and my personal experience. Maybe european jews are

    different from american ones, I dunno, I only met the local ones.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Will you stop twisting everything I say into

    racistic attacks?
    I never said \"ugly\" nor \"eye patch\". I said \"big nose\" which is both a significantly

    rooted stereotype and my personal experience. Maybe european jews are different from american ones, I dunno, I only

    met the local ones.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You got no twisting from me.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Will you stop twisting everything I say into

    racistic attacks?
    I never said \"ugly\" nor \"eye patch\". I said \"big nose\" which is both a significantly

    rooted stereotype and my personal experience. Maybe european jews are different from american ones, I dunno, I only

    met the local ones.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I think Russian jews tend to have bigger

    noses.

    All of my descendents are from there.

    Regardless, the movie doesn\'t depict the people right, though

    I understand you trying to say how some of it could be partially true. I don\'t think you are saying, however,

    that they necessarily got it right, no?

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    Then what

    was the \"ugly\" and \"eyepatch\" business you added to my words to make them sound hateful?
    History says

    this and that, but I don\'t think I made any radical statements which would conflict any common knowledge. Which

    point sounds wrong to you?
    1)the roman empire was the most developped civilisation in the western world
    2)the

    roman empire had bath houses
    3)people in the middle east did not have bath houses
    4)it is often possible to

    recognize a person of jewish (or almost any other) origin by certain typical facial features

    EDIT: I never

    defended the movie. The movie is pure rubbish, and it appears I was misunderstood and became the devil\'s

    advocate. I was talking absolutely independently on the movie and everything depicted therein.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Maybe european jews are different from american

    ones, I dunno, I only met the local ones.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> well the jewish people

    that I know in Europe are just not like that and some of them are from Israel

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
    I know some iranians to which the trait `big nose´applies but

    that is not a religious thing, it´s about their origin and they´re not jewish btw. Some peole have converted and

    became jews, and you can´t tell that by looking at them.

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    A tad bit

    of history. I have to run out now, but if anyone wants more I can provide them with an endless

    supply

    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    The Bible introduces three rudiments of

    healthful existence: rest, cleanliness, and prophylaxis. The weekly rest-day was unique to Judaic precepts. Cecil

    Roth quotes \"the great medical historian, Karl Sudhoff: ‘Had Judaism given nothing more to mankind than the

    establishment of a weekly day of rest, we should still be forced to proclaim her one of the greatest benefactors of

    humanity.’\"1

    Physical purity (cleanliness) is placed on a par with spiritual purity. David’s supplication to

    God, \"Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin (Ps. 51:4), is one of a myriad of references

    to the concept of washing to achieve purity. An admonition to the sinner is a Divine imperative. \"For though thou

    wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me\" (Jer. 2:22). A Jew could

    not enter the temple without bathing if he had done anything to render him impure. A bath had to be taken daily

    before reading the Law (Torah); both of which were prescribed for every Jew.

    Cleanliness was but part of ancient

    Judaic prophylactic practices. The concept of contagion was likewise integral to biblical medical intelligence.

    Hygienic laws of impurity after touching a corpse, or of those affected with diseases like gonorrhea or leprosy,

    required a thorough washing with nitre or other caustic soaps.



    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">


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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Then what was the \"ugly\" and \"eyepatch\"

    business you added to my words to make them sound hateful?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Did you

    even read my original post? That is what Kari and I said that Mel did to the Jewish character, to which you gave

    your reply. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    Maybe european jews are different from american ones, I dunno, I only met

    the local ones.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> well the jewish people that I know in Europe are

    just not like that and some of them are from Israel [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
    I know some

    iranians to which the trait `big nose´applies but that is not a religious thing, it´s about their origin and they´re

    not jewish btw. Some peole have converted and became jews, and you can´t tell that by looking at them.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Yeah, Arabs are said to have big noses as well..

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Maybe european jews are different from american ones, I dunno, I only met

    the local ones.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> well the jewish people that I know in Europe are

    just not like that and some of them are from Israel [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
    I know some

    iranians to which the trait `big nose´applies but that is not a religious thing, it´s about their origin and they´re

    not jewish btw. Some peole have converted and became jews, and you can´t tell that by looking at them.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Don\'t Russian men have bigger noses anyway, or am I wrong about this?


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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    I think Russian jews tend to have bigger noses.




    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> thanks that´s what I mean. It´s more about genetic heritage rather

    than a religious one.


    I mean there´s also russian christians, so do they have smaller noses

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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