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    to a site and got lambasted, maybe deservedly so. Now most of the articles were just elaborate sales pitches to

    signup for a free newsletter or something, but I thought this was interesting:

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    Why Very Intelligent Men Fail With Women
    I\'ve been teaching men how to

    become more successful with women and dating for a several years now... and one \"problem scenario\" just keeps

    coming up OVER AND OVER... and OVER and OVER and OVER again...

    ...and it\'s really amazes me.

    I\'m going

    to refer to it as \"The Genius Failure Paradox\".

    \"The Genius Failure Paradox\" is the tendency for

    UNUSUALLY intelligent men to have very LOW levels of success with women and dating.

    After contemplating this

    particular paradox, discussing it, and working on it for an awesome amount of time, I\'d like to share my thoughts

    about it with you.

    I assume that if you\'ve read this far, then you see probably yourself as smarter than the

    average guy.

    You know that you\'re a little different than other guys.

    You probably realized at a young age

    that you saw things differently, and thought differently than others in school...

    And you\'ve probably realized

    that your smart mind gives you an advantage over others in many areas of life...

    Your smart mind gives you a

    particular type of advantage that can be very, very powerful in life: YOU\'RE USUALLY RIGHT.

    Smart people get

    used to being \"right\", because they usually ARE right.

    And when you\'re RIGHT more often than others, you

    can get ahead in many situations.

    But unfortunately, this smart mind of yours can actually be WORSE than USELESS

    when it comes to a key area of life:

    WOMEN AND DATING.

    By the way, I did say WORSE than useless.

    It can

    actually be like having a hammer when you need to tighten a bolt. If you use the tool you have for the job,

    you\'ll most likely make the situation WORSE.

    Of course, it\'s hard for a smart guy to even IMAGINE a

    situation where his smart mind could HURT his chances for success...

    But trust me, this is one of those

    situations.

    So relax, open your smart mind, and let me share with you the ten reasons why smart guys fail with

    women... and what to do about it.

    REASON #1: THEY\'RE WRONG, BUT THEY CAN\'T
    OR WON\'T SEE IT OR ADMIT

    IT

    I mentioned that smart guys are used to being RIGHT in most situations.

    And what do most smart guys do when

    they come across a situation where they\'re WRONG ?

    They find a new situation... one that fits their strength.

    They know they\'ll be right next time, so they just walk away... knowing that it won\'t be long before

    they\'re right again.

    (OR they let the \"problem situation\" destroy them... more on that later.)

    Well,

    the BITCH about being wrong when it comes to women and dating is THERE\'S NOWHERE TO RUN AND HIDE.

    There\'s

    no quick \"I\'m right\" around the next corner to make you feel better.

    It only takes \"failing\" with a

    few women in a row for a smart guy to see the pattern... and realize that something isn\'t working.

    Solution?

    Think harder.

    A smart guy just assumes that his logic must be good... so he just keeps thinking harder.

    But

    when no success comes, it really starts to become mentally difficult.

    Accepting that you\'re wrong is a VERY

    hard thing for a \"smart guy\".

    Accepting that you\'re not only wrong, but you have NO CLUE WHERE TO EVEN

    START is even more difficult.

    Ultimately, many smart guys come up with the following logical conclusion:

    I AM

    A SMART GUY, THEREFORE IF I CAN\'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN AND DATING, THEN THE PROBLEM MUST

    NOT BE SOLVABLE OR WORTH SOLVING.

    Try that on for a self-defeating idea.

    REASON #2: THEY\'RE BLIND AND

    ARROGANT

    In short, many smart guys refuse to accept that a good, solid, workable answer could come from someone

    \"dumber\" than them, so they discount any idea that comes from an \"obviously less intelligent person\" before

    trying it.

    Let me ask you a question:

    If you were going to be walking across Africa on foot, would you rather

    have your guide be the guy on this planet with the highest I.Q., or a caveman who lived a million years ago that had

    an I.Q. of about 50... but who grew up being chased by lions and all kinds of animals that wanted to eat him all his

    life?

    It\'s an interesting question.

    Now, hopefully you\'d like to have the guide who isn\'t the

    smartest guy around... but who has escaped from many, many dangerous situations with deadly animals...

    But now

    let me ask you:

    If you\'d like to learn how to be more successful with women and dating, would you take advice

    from a guy who isn\'t very intelligent, but who knows how to attract women ?

    There\'s something about being

    smart that makes some guys unwilling to accept input, ideas, or instruction from anyone who isn\'t either as smart

    or smarter than them.

    Well, any SMART GUY can see the folly in this particular approach... once it\'s examined

    closely.

    If you\'ve been making this mistake, then you need to STOP IT. Stop being an arrogant bastard, and

    open your eyes.

    Look around.

    Learn from some \"dumb\" guys... and let them teach you how to get what you

    REALLY want.

    REASON #3: POOR SOCIAL SKILLS

    It BLOWS MY MIND how many smart guys I meet that just don\'t GET

    IT when it comes to basic social skills.

    It\'s as if they have logically reasoned that social skills are for

    lower beings who need to play games... and not worth the time it would take to learn them.

    In fact, I believe

    that there are a lot of smart guys running around this planet who don\'t even have \"social skills\" and \"be a

    cool guy that people like\" in their \"MENTAL MODEL\" of what it could possibly take to be successful with women

    and dating.

    Social skills are just that... SKILLS.

    They\'re not social INFORMATION.

    They\'re not social

    THEORIES.

    They\'re social SKILLS.

    And you don\'t get them by THINKING about them. You get them by GETTING

    them.

    Excellent social skills are the foundation for good communication with other humans... and if you don\'t

    have good social skills, you dramatically lower your chances for success with women.

    REASON #4: THEY PSYCH

    THEMSELVES OUT

    Smart guys do something that fascinates the hell out of me...

    They come up with all the reasons

    why everything WON\'T WORK when it comes to women and dating.

    They actually figure out why what they would like

    to do will probably fail...

    They use their amazing creative imaginations to imagine all kinds of horrible

    pictures and scenes... and then they use those imaginary outcomes to create negative emotions... which ultimately

    stop them from having success with women and dating.

    THEY DON\'T EVEN TRY.

    Now, if you\'ve thought

    something through and come up with a good reason why it would fail, it makes sense to not do it, right?

    I mean,

    why would you want to do things that are going to fail?

    It\'s sound logic, but HORRIBLE thinking when it comes

    to the REAL WORLD... and success with women.

    Because smart guys don\'t UNDERSTAND women, and they don\'t

    UNDERSTAND what it takes to be successful with women, they are working with bad figures. They\'re wrong before

    they even start figuring!

    Using your mind to come up with all the reasons why things won\'t work in this area

    of your life leads to ULTIMATE FAILURE.

    You must learn to overcome this habit if you have it.

    REASON #5: THEY

    SEEK ONLY \"INFORMATIONAL SOLUTIONS\"

    What does a smart guy do when he runs into a problem... or he needs to

    figure something out?

    He looks for INFORMATION to help him solve the problem.

    MORE INFORMATION is always the

    answer.

    Information is the friend of a smart guy.

    Got a strange virus on your computer? Just hop on the

    internet and search for how to eliminate it.

    Don\'t know how to change the alternator on your car? No prob.

    Just buy the manual and turn to page 147.

    Don\'t know the definition of a word? Open up your

    dictionary.

    MORE INFORMATION solves the problem.

    So what do smart guys do when it comes to overcoming a

    problem with women?

    They want MORE INFORMATION.

    They think the answer lies in learning just ONE MORE

    TECHNIQUE... or one more magic concept.

    Well what if there were a situation in life where the \"get more

    information\" strategy actually made things WORSE?

    How would you even know that it was making things

    worse?

    Now, I don\'t want to suggest that learning more about how to be successful with women is a bad thing.

    It\'s not.

    But if you have a problem that is EMOTIONAL or PHYSICAL in nature, then reading five million

    theories on it probably isn\'t going to help you very much.

    You need to get out in the real world and try some

    stuff!

    You need to look at the REAL problem... the ROOT of the problem.

    When it comes to women and dating,

    there\'s a very good chance that you have MORE than enough \"information\".

    Smart guys often use \"more

    information\" to distract them from TAKING ACTION.

    I\'ve heard this referred to as \"Creative

    Avoidance\".

    Nod silently if you\'ve ever figured out a creative way to avoid facing something in your

    life.

    Good, thank you.

    REASON #6: THEY FOCUS ON LOGIC INSTEAD OF EMOTION

    NEWS JUST IN: Women don\'t feel

    ATTRACTION for men who make them THINK.

    Women feel ATTRACTION for men who make them FEEL.

    So what do most

    smart guys do when they first meet a woman?

    EXACTLY!

    They get into a LOGICAL CONVERSATION.

    I\'m shaking

    my head right now...

    Smart men try to engage women in LOGICAL conversations and interactions because that\'s

    where THEY feel comfortable... not knowing that they\'re SHOOTING THELSEVES IN THE FOOT by doing it!

    Get this:

    A monkey sitting at a typewriter will type the collected works of Shakespeare before you will make a woman feel

    ATTRACTION for you by engaging her in logical conversation.

    When you start a logical conversation with a woman

    you\'ve just met, you are basically taking out a NEON SIGN that says \"I don\'t get it when it comes to

    women\" and putting it on your head.

    Typical \"logical\" conversations include talking about work, family,

    school, and jobs... discussing politics, religion, weather... and anything that has to do with math, science, or

    INTELLIGENCE.

    On the other hand, if you start talking to a woman and you say \"OK, so tell me something... Why

    is it that all women say that they want sweet, nice guys... but they all date sexy, selfish bad boys?\" (and then

    make fun of any answer she gives) you\'re having an EMOTIONAL conversation.

    If you don\'t know what I\'m

    talking about, keep reading. You need more help than I thought.

    REASON #7: THEY\'RE NOT USED TO THE CHALLENGE

    OF THE MOMENT

    Smart people usually have time to THINK about things.

    If you\'re taking a test, you can sit

    there and work out the answers.

    If you have a math problem, you can work on it until you\'ve figured it

    out.

    If you\'re trying to fix something, you can keep working on it until it\'s fixed.

    Smart guys are used

    to being able to take at least a LITTLE bit of time to prepare and show off their \"good sides\" in most

    situations.

    Not so with women...

    If you don\'t know what to do at every step along the way, you\'ll be

    shut down very quickly.

    Women have an AMAZING \"He doesn\'t get it\" radar system.

    Women have all kinds of

    subtle and ingenious tests that they throw at men to separate the \"get its\" from the \"don\'t get

    its\".

    And if you don\'t get it, then you\'re going to fail one of these tests VERY quickly.

    But the

    worst part is that you won\'t ever KNOW that you were being tested... OR that you failed.

    Smart guys aren\'t

    used to dealing with complex EMOTIONAL and COMMUNICATION challenges in the moment... and especially the \"women and

    dating\" kind.

    One of they keys to becoming more successful with women and dating is learning to handle all of

    the tests that women throw at you effortlessly.

    But before you can learn how to deal with the tests, you must

    first learn how to communicate on an emotional level, how to demonstrate that you have fundamental social skills,

    and how to keep your cool in the moment.

    REASON #8: THEY THINK THAT DOING \"NICE\" THINGS IS THE \"SMART

    WAY\"

    OK, let me ask you a trick question:

    If I told you that you were going to have a date with the

    supermodel of your choice, which of the following would you choose as a \"smart\" way of preparing:

    Find out

    what her favorite type of flowers are, and show up with a dozen of them so she would be \"wowed\".
    Learn about

    her favorite travel destination so you could discuss it with her.
    Find out what her favorite type of food is so

    you could take her to dinner... and she could see that you cared enough to choose something that she enjoyed.
    OK,

    time\'s up. Which did you choose?

    Now, I already mentioned that this was a TRICK question.

    The answer is

    NONE OF THE ABOVE.

    But WHY?

    These three options all seemed logical, right?

    I mean, why WOULDN\'T you want

    to show up with her favorite flowers?

    Why WOULDN\'T you want to talk about her favorite places to

    travel?

    Why WOULDN\'T you want to take her to eat her favorite foods so she enjoyed herself?

    Go with me

    here...

    Smart guys think that they\'re being CLEVER when they do things like buying a woman her favorite

    flowers... and bringing them to the FIRST DATE.

    Right?

    In their minds, they\'re thinking \"I\'m going to

    be the guy who is thinking ahead... and I\'m going to show up with the flowers that I KNOW she loves... and

    she\'s going to see them and like me more because of it\".

    Makes sense... good math, right?

    Well the one

    teensy-weensy mistake that these \"smart\" guys make is not realizing that it doesn\'t actually take a smart

    person to think like this!

    In fact, ANY jackass can figure out how to kiss a woman\'s ass.

    And guess

    what?

    WOMEN KNOW THIS!

    And guess what else?

    EVERY WUSSBAG DOES THIS STUFF.

    An intelligent guy, in his

    proud arrogance, will think he\'s being such the charmer by using this \"thoughtful\" approach...

    ...and the

    woman he is chasing will interpret it as just another Wussy who\'s trying to MANIPULATE her.

    Ouch. Another blow

    to intelligence.

    MISTAKE #9: ALWAYS NEEDING TO BE THE EXPERT

    Have you ever met a smart guy who always needed

    to be \"right\"?

    Have you ever met someone who would actually argue with you about something they knew nothing

    about... and make a fool of themselves because they just couldn\'t shut their \"smart mouths\"?

    Over the last

    few years helping guys improve their success with women, I see this one pattern over and over again...

    Smart guys

    don\'t like to be \"beginners\" at ANYTHING.

    They don\'t like the idea of screwing up... especially if

    others are watching.

    They want to maintain this \"smart guy\" image of themselves... so they try to always be

    \"The Expert\" at whatever they do.

    Instead of saying \"Hey, you know what? I\'m a beginner at this... how

    do I do it? What should I do first? What next?\"... and instead of being totally OK with screwing up, making

    mistakes, and making a fool of themselves in front of others in order to LEARN...

    ...they won\'t risk

    embarrassment, failure, or others thinking that they\'re beginners... so they wind up ultimately FAILING.

    MORE

    NEWS JUST IN: It\'s OK to be a beginner.

    MISTAKE #10: THEY CAN\'T DEAL WITH FEAR AND OTHER EMOTIONS

    A

    smart guy\'s STRENGTH is his MIND.

    His WEAKNESS is often his EMOTIONS.

    Smart guys are often IMMOBILIZED by

    FEAR.

    Totally stopped.

    FROZEN.

    And since many smart guys aren\'t comfortable dealing with things

    they\'re not good at, they just repress or RUN away from fear.

    Many men would rather DIE in lonely isolation

    than admit that they don\'t know how to deal with their emotions... or, GODFORBID, ask for help!

    Hey, I went

    for YEARS like this.

    I know what it\'s like.

    But the reality is that any guy can learn to handle and even

    MASTER his emotions (even fear)... if he just takes the time and effort to learn HOW to do it.

    If this is you,

    then do yourself a big favor... take the time. Take the effort.

    Don\'t worry about what anyone else thinks of

    you... it doesn\'t matter.

    What matters is you doing the things that YOU need to do FOR YOU.

    ...I think the

    reason why I\'m so fascinated with \"The Genius Failure Paradox\" is because I have had to struggle with all of

    these issues for a lot of years of my life.

    Now, I\'m not saying that I\'m the smartest guy on the

    planet...

    But I don\'t think mamma raised no fool.

    And it always bothered the hell out of me that even

    though I was so good at figuring things out, I couldn\'t figure WOMEN out.

    Something tells me that you know

    what I\'m talking about.

    Well, after beating my head against the wall for a few years... trying all kinds of

    crazy \"logical\" stuff... I finally got the \"bright\" idea to start studying guys who were \"naturally\"

    good with women.

    Of course, I found out that you could be both NOT SMART, and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN at the

    same time.

    I also learned that you can be SMART and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN too.

    By carefully studying what

    the \"naturals\" did with women... and learning how they \"thought\" about the topic, I began to realize that

    success with women wasn\'t entirely LOGICAL.

    Much of what I learned was very tough for me to accept... because

    my logical brain just didn\'t want to buy into it.

    One thing I saw was guys pushing women away from them... and

    having the women then chase them in response.

    Made no sense at all.

    I saw guys tease beautiful women and make

    jokes about them to their faces... and then watched those women become \"little girls\" in response... unable to

    maintain their composure, and therefore unable to maintain their manipulative power...

    It took me quite a long

    time, but I continued to learn, test, and refine what I was learning until I personally figured out how to approach

    women in any situation... get any woman\'s number I wanted anytime I wanted... date any type of woman I

    wanted...

    ...and most importantly, GET RID of that \"empty\" feeling that I carried around my whole life

    because I didn\'t know how to attract women.

    And once I got this area of my own life together, I decided to

    help other guys get this area of THEIR lives together.


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    Then he

    goes into his sales pitch which I left

    out

    http://www.datingclass.com/dating/fail-wit

    h-women.shtml

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    How do you even

    have the time to get out and meet women? All you do is read crap on how to get women. Go out and just do it. You

    don\'t need an instruction manual. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    Hey, someone

    wrote a whole article about me!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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    You don\'t need an instruction manual.

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    I do.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Maybe I\'ll write one.

    How to acquire a date with no specific

    target in mind:
    1. Stive to take care of yourself. Work out and clean yourself up (appearance).
    2. Locate popular

    social gathering place.
    3. Proceed to this location.
    4. Hang out and focus on having a good time.
    5. If you spot

    a female you may be interested in, begin gathering confidence for approach.
    6. Make sure target is not spoken for

    (at the moment, at least) from visual analysis.
    7. Determine appropriate conversation for situation. This may

    require some wit and finess. Keep recent popular topics in the back of your head for emergency. Use all visual

    features as base for conversation (clothes, style, T-shirt design may all hint towards interests).
    8. Prepare for

    approach. Make sure you have your initial greeting ready so it does not come out awkward or nervous. Smooth

    sells.
    9. Approach. Try to find activity that involves you passing her or getting close so you don\'t have to

    hang out in \"No Man\'s Land\" for too long if you\'re the nervous type. Going to the bar for a drink,

    passing that area to get to a group of people you know, or any other excuse works.
    10. Say \"Hello\". This is

    the most difficult step, but shoot out that greeting like it was as natural as saying your own name. Smiling is a

    bonus. Once greeting is initiated, gauge response and determine interest. This is when you engage casual

    conversation in order to determine interest.
    11. If target is stand-offish or looks with disinterest, disengage by

    getting your drink or finishing up and moving on. If target engages, continue conversation.
    12. Ask out. This is

    #1 with saying \"Hello\". If target is alone or with one friend, the easiest way to win this battle is to ask if

    she\'d like to join your group. However, the more risk/more reward approach involves going for the number or

    asking if they\'d like to do something sometime. You must gauge the choice on your own, but the worst that can

    happen is a \"no\". If target disengages at any time, pick up your pride and move on. You tried, which is 10

    times more than what most people do. Reengage with someone new at a later time when your confidence returns and you

    find someone new you\'d like to meet.
    13. In the event that you\'ve succeeded in step 12, either disengage if

    you need to get back to your friends or bring her with you if you got her to agree to joining your group. Proceed

    however you wish, but if you got this far you should be fine.

    Emergency in desperate situations:
    In case of

    emergency when you\'re not feeling it, take control of local dart board or pool table and with your friends

    challenge group with hot chick to a game or ask if they\'d like to play. Most people are up for fun, and this

    gives you a chance to talk with no pressure because everyone is at least half-focused on the game.


    Note: I\'m

    not saying this is right or even what you should or shouldn\'t do. My point was to show how easy it is to write

    an \"instruction manual\" on how to get women, buy a domain name like \"PanchosPick-upPointers.com\", and sell

    their information for \"only $__.__...\"

    Oh, and in case you\'re wondering, I don\'t follow this

    instruction manual. I hang out with people, assuming all women are there to have fun and not to see some goofy guy

    walk up to them for a date. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] My loss.

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    Do you have an

    original thought or do you just follwow what they tell you to do online?

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    The only thing I

    actually read in this post was Elana\'s and OCP\'s post
    Pancho I cant believe you took the time to type that

    out [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

    Im tired of reading all this dating crap and posts!

    GO

    OUTSIDE PEOPLES!!

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    The only thing I actually read in this post was

    Elana\'s and OCP\'s post
    Pancho I cant believe you took the time to type that out

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    Im tired of reading all this dating crap and posts!

    GO

    OUTSIDE PEOPLES!!

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    How do you even have the time to get out and meet

    women? All you do is read crap on how to get women. Go out and just do it. You don\'t need an instruction manual.

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    Hmmmmm...Outside huh...Interesting.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    The only thing I actually read in this post was

    Elana\'s and OCP\'s post
    Pancho I cant believe you took the time to type that out

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

    Im tired of reading all this dating crap and posts!

    GO

    OUTSIDE PEOPLES!!

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Hey, 15 minutes of my life to prevent hundreds

    from wasting their time listening to people who don\'t know anything more than the normal human being is worth

    it...or something like that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    Seriously, though, my mind is

    racing a million miles per minute because I\'m nervous and I go nuts when I\'m nervous. I need to go do

    something else to stop it.

    BTW, the funniest site on dating:

    \"Click Here to see the greatest way to meet

    women!!!\"

    *Click*

    \"Lower your standards!\"

    *sigh*

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    The only thing I actually read in this post was

    Elana\'s and OCP\'s post
    Pancho I cant believe you took the time to type that out

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

    Im tired of reading all this dating crap and posts!

    GO

    OUTSIDE PEOPLES!!

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    But I might loose my virtual life. I will miss

    my online dating service and my online porn. The real world......I do not think I could cope.

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    Actually your brain

    cycles between 13-18 times per second [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] 21++ is your hyper

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Somebody has way

    too much time on their hands...I agree with Elana and the others...why would you read an instruction manual on how

    to meet women? Either they like you the way you are or not. A manual is not going to help you.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Somebody has way too much time on their hands...I

    agree with Elana and the others...why would you read an instruction manual on how to meet women? Either they like

    you the way you are or not. A manual is not going to help you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]



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    SOOOOOOOO Obvious! Why do these guys not get this?

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Somebody has way too much time on their hands...I

    agree with Elana and the others...why would you read an instruction manual on how to meet women? Either they like

    you the way you are or not. A manual is not going to help you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]



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    Agreed, We cant change the way we act or interact with people by

    reading something. We may think or try to apply it, but often we just go back to our usual selves

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Somebody has way too much time on their hands...I agree with Elana and the

    others...why would you read an instruction manual on how to meet women? Either they like you the way you are or

    not. A manual is not going to help you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Agreed, We cant change the way we act or interact with people by reading

    something. We may think or try to apply it, but often we just go back to our usual selves

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    If you are able to \"apply\" it, it\'s like a script...why would

    somebody want to live their life by someone else\'s instructions?

    IMO, people following these \"manuals\"

    are not going to get someone into a lasting relationship. Maybe just a quick \"piece\" now and then.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Maybe just a quick \"piece\" now and

    then.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">Nah...they ain\'t gettin nothin

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    on that note...how

    about we stop beating a dead horse. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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    Amen!

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    on that note...how about we stop beating a dead

    horse. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    because

    nothing stops bivonic. He will be posting new links as soon as he logs on to the forum.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    But I might loose my virtual life. I will miss my

    online dating service and my online porn. The real world......I do not think I could cope.


    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> OCP porns is fine but if you don´t go out on a date where´s the point of a

    dating service or guidelines? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] does your wife use the same dating service because that could

    mean trouble [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    on that note...how about we stop beating a dead horse.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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    because nothing

    stops bivonic. He will be posting new links as soon as he logs on to the forum.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Oh stop hating

    on that stuff, TM sweeped you off your feet following the advice step-for-step of mackdaddy.com

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    on that

    note...how about we stop beating a dead horse. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    because nothing stops bivonic. He will be posting new links as soon as he

    logs on to the forum. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    Oh stop hating on that stuff, TM sweeped you off your feet following the advice step-for-step

    of mackdaddy.com

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Yes, TM is so concerned with what people think

    of him.
    He is always so darn PC. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Yes, TM is so concerned with what people think of

    him. He is always so darn PC.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Yes. I believe he calls it \"The

    Tallmackey Theory of Indecency\". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    For the people

    who didn\'t read the article (only took 5 mins btw, and I\'ve just come back from being out), it\'s actually a

    pretty good summation of why a lot of men fail with women. Not just intelligent guys, but guys in general (I think

    it\'s pretty obvious he was buttering up potential customers by telling them they were smart to be reading his

    article [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] . So no, being bad with women does not mean you are smart

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ).

    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Women have an AMAZING \"He doesn\'t get it\" radar system.


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    Things like that annoy me, an ok idea (ish), but an awful way to put it

    across.

    The article is not one of those step by step guides, so unless your feeling under pressure to be

    \"cool\" and take the piss, have a read.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

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    But I might loose my virtual life. I will miss my online dating service and

    my online porn. The real world......I do not think I could cope.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    OCP porns is fine but if you don´t go out on a date where´s the point of a dating service or guidelines?

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] does your wife

    use the same dating service because that could mean trouble [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    No we agreed to

    use separate services, but we look at the same porn. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    being bad with women does not mean you are smart.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Damn, so much

    for trying to convince myself that I must be a frickin\' genius. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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    I\'m afraid this

    manual is contradicting itself [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] It is exactly the

    \"need-more-information\" approach it denies.
    Anyway, you really can\'t get anywhere by reading something. You

    have to step in the dog sh*t a few times before you learn where not to step and what not to do. Every blow of the

    chisel shapes the block, kinda.

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    It\'s ironic that

    people on a Pheromone site, are so critical of others, who post things that they don\'t agree with. Many fragrance

    and dating websites have people who post about how foolish it is to use Pheromones.

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    You need to read

    about the wheel in off topics. It is a great short cut.

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    It is foolish to

    use anything and think it will work like a charm. You can play around with those things, but relying on them is

    pathetic.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You need to read about the wheel in off topics. It

    is a great short cut.

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    Where is off topics?

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