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    Default Amendment Banning Gay Marriage?!?!?!

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    Due to the recent discussion regarding freedoms and rights (cigarettes), I feel that I should throw out a

    \"personal freedoms\" approach to this subject to support a little-known document called the

    Constitution... (those located outside the U.S. are free to make fun of the whole situation because it is, in

    fact, ridiculous)

    I don\'t know what Bush is thinking, but he is fighting a battle that he will ultimately lose

    (unlike the war in Iraq, either like or unlike the war on terrorism). I saw a recent poll that 51% of the

    population is for the amendment and the rest against or indifferent to it. Personally, I\'m just basing this on

    the laws of our country. According to the laws of the U.S., you cannot restrict the freedoms of a person in such a

    way. You can argue against cigarettes, alcohol, guns, etc. because they have the potential of harming others.

    However, there is nothing about gay marriage that would potentially harm anyone. If you\'re afraid that it\'ll

    make your kids homosexual or something, then you are misguided into thinking that you can somehow choose who

    you\'re attracted to. I know I didn\'t wake up one day and say, \"Hey, I think I want to have sex with

    women,\" so why on earth would I one day wake up and say, \"Hey, I think I want to have sex with men?\" The way

    homosexuality is hated and insulted in many parts of this country, I know that no one on earth would \'choose\'

    to go that path unless it was part of the fabric of their being.

    The bottom line is that this proposed amendment

    is unconstitutional. Even if Bush somehow got everyone in congress and every individual state to support this, the

    Supreme Court should easily declare this unconstitutional because there is no way a country can support such an

    amendment with no logical base but only a religiously moral issue.

    Let\'s face it: the institution of marriage

    in the U.S. is becoming a joke, anyway. Getting a divorce nowadays is as common as changing your job or moving.

    Britney Spears and other stars got married and unmarried all within days. The former President frequently shamed

    his marriage vows. To think that homosexual marriages would somehow destroy the sanctity of marriage is to ignore

    that marriage itself is slowly but surely being destroyed by the people who are already legally allowed to

    marry.

    Who knows? Maybe it would even bring back the sanctity of marriage...

    \"Marriage is a sacred

    bond between a man and a woman...\"

    I always thought marriage would be a sacred bond between myself and the

    person I wanted to spend the rest of my life in love with...my case would be a woman, but who am I to prevent

    someone else from living their dream with someone of the same sex?

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    I

    think that is not for the federal government to decide, leave it to the states......it certainly has no place in the

    constitution.

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    Very good point. I can\'t say anything about states banning it but provide my personal opinion.

    However, any amendment would be unconstitutional IMHO.

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    Default Re: Amendment Banning Gay Marriage?!?!?!

    `free country´....... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] in way this is kind of amusing I mean in some states they

    actually still lock people up for having oral sex right [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
    Now

    imagine two men get hitched and sometime later file for divorce. `My husband (??) has not fullfilled his marital

    duties! For me this is a good reason to get divorced!´
    `And why do you refuse to consummate your marriage Sir?´

    I don´t want to get arrested, we live in Iowa!´ [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    Sorry, couldn´t resist that one

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] but just as sad and idiotic the humour is in the above, Bush´s

    attitude (and all the others) is even worse [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]


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    Default Re: Amendment Banning Gay Marriage?!?!?!

    I

    am on the Conservatives side on this one for a change. I think gay marriages are not a good idea. Marriage has a

    very long tradition and I don\'t think it was a good idea to change it like they did in some places.. Then again,

    I don\'t really understand why ANYONE would want to get married..

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

    I have no clue if this should be in the US constitution or

    not.. I will leave that up to you Americans. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a moral and religous issue and in both cases outside the

    government\'s proper area of authority.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    I am on the Conservatives side on this one for a

    change. I think gay marriages are not a good idea. Marriage has a very long tradition and I don\'t think it was a

    good idea to change it like they did in some places.. Then again, I don\'t really understand why ANYONE would want

    to get married.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

    I have no clue if this should be in the US

    constitution or not.. I will leave that up to you Americans. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]



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    The constitution\'s the point, though, Franki. A main issue with

    this is that certain powers are delegated to the federal govt, by the constitution, and the rest are left to the

    states. Marriage laws are under state jurisdiction.

    So, it is unconstitutional. It is an unwelcome and unlawful

    encroachment by the feds into state and local affairs. Police state stuff.

    Our founding fathers wanted a weak

    federal govt. Based on our propensity to war promiscously, with our without the consent of the governed, I would say

    that it could be weaker.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />

    The constitution\'s the point, though,

    Franki.

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    I know, I just wanted to post my 2 cents on the

    topic of gay marriage though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />

    Our founding fathers wanted a weak

    federal govt. Based on our propensity to war promiscously, with our without the consent of the governed, I would say

    that it could be weaker.

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    I\'ll certainly vote for you.

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    The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a

    moral and religous issue and in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.

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    Exactly

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a

    moral and religous issue and in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.

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    Exactly. Guess that is what happens when you make an ultra-religious

    people in goverment.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a moral and religous issue and

    in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.

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    Exactly. Guess that is what happens when you make an ultra-religious people in goverment.



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    Well, now Ah-nold is clamoring for an amendment to the

    constitutional requirement that all U.S. presidential candidates be native born.

    Now, granted.. that provision

    was a contrivance to keep out Alex Hamilton, btu still......

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

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    The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a moral and religous issue and

    in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.

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    class=\"post\">

    Exactly. Guess that is what happens when you make an ultra-religious people in goverment.



    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Think witch burnings! It\'s not religous people, it\'s

    zealots of any stripe. Truly religous people are kind and giving. Zealots use religion to cover their twisted

    desires to posses, dominate and control others.

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    religion is what should be banned not love. Take away religion for a year or two, and nobody will miss it just

    like a sh*t TV show or papers that spread lies

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    religion is what should be banned not love. Take

    away religion for a year or two, and nobody will miss it just like a sh*t TV show or papers that spread lies



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    LOL. I agree with the second statement, though not the first.

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    what

    you like crap TV shows [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    Can I ask why on earth is this in the

    Health section Pancho [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    what you like crap TV shows

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]



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    At least I

    always like crappy tv shows. I heard they are starting a new series of Big Brother in a few days here in Germany..

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Amendment Banning Gay Marriage?!?!?!

    Franki isn\'t gay but he did get felt up by a man today. He claims not to have liked it.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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    I

    Hated it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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    He should have been more gental with your giant

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    If you are against abortion, don\'t get one!
    If you are against gay marrage, don\'t marry one!
    Unfortunately,

    there are some people who think everyone should live by their beliefs, and no other!

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    religion is what should be banned not love. Take away religion for a year or

    two, and nobody will miss it just like a sh*t TV show or papers that spread lies

    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    LOL. I agree with the second statement, though not the first.

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    class=\"post\">

    I dunno... Mel\'s new piece is certainly stirring up a lot of Christian fundie frenzy.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    If you are against abortion, don\'t get one!
    If

    you are against gay marrage, don\'t marry one!
    Unfortunately, there are some people who think everyone should

    live by their beliefs, and no other!

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    What he said

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    what you like crap TV shows

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    Can I ask why on earth is this in the Health section Pancho

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    That\'s a

    very good question, CJ. I was making a statement that the very health of the U.S. is at risk if they start allowing

    the federal government to make up whatever they want without any legal authority as Bel and others have

    said.

    Maybe they just oppose the potential tax breaks of filing jointly...

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] (even though there are a few problems as well)

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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    religion is

    what should be banned not love. Take away religion for a year or two, and nobody will miss it just like a sh*t TV

    show or papers that spread lies

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    LOL. I agree with the second

    statement, though not the first.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I dunno... Mel\'s new piece

    is certainly stirring up a lot of Christian fundie frenzy.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Nice.

    You know me, I like shaking things up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Let

    them get married and then when they get divorced and have to start paying alimony and child support maybe they will

    not think it is such a great idea. Who cares hetero couples live together w/o getting married. Whay can\'t gays

    be happy with that as well. Marriage is a dying institution anyway.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Let them get married and then when they get

    divorced and have to start paying alimony and child support maybe they will not think it is such a great idea. Who

    cares hetero couples live together w/o getting married. Whay can\'t gays be happy with that as well. Marriage is

    a dying institution anyway.

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    It is all about wanting to have the

    choice to determine on their own whether marriage is a good thing or not.

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    religion is what should be banned not love.

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    Oh yes!!!!! So true.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Who cares hetero couples live together

    w/o getting married.

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    Not true.... most states deem it a

    \'common law marriage\' after living together as a couple from anywhere between 5-7 years.

    But its the state

    that governs the law... NOT the federal government, just as it should be.

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    There are some religious people on this board - at least I know of one - so I think we shouldn\'t keep trashing

    it over and over out of respect for something very important to them, even if we don\'t agree.

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