I
think that is not for the federal government to decide, leave it to the states......it certainly has no place in the
constitution.
Due to the recent discussion regarding freedoms and rights (cigarettes), I feel that I should throw out a
\"personal freedoms\" approach to this subject to support a little-known document called the
Constitution... (those located outside the U.S. are free to make fun of the whole situation because it is, in
fact, ridiculous)
I don\'t know what Bush is thinking, but he is fighting a battle that he will ultimately lose
(unlike the war in Iraq, either like or unlike the war on terrorism). I saw a recent poll that 51% of the
population is for the amendment and the rest against or indifferent to it. Personally, I\'m just basing this on
the laws of our country. According to the laws of the U.S., you cannot restrict the freedoms of a person in such a
way. You can argue against cigarettes, alcohol, guns, etc. because they have the potential of harming others.
However, there is nothing about gay marriage that would potentially harm anyone. If you\'re afraid that it\'ll
make your kids homosexual or something, then you are misguided into thinking that you can somehow choose who
you\'re attracted to. I know I didn\'t wake up one day and say, \"Hey, I think I want to have sex with
women,\" so why on earth would I one day wake up and say, \"Hey, I think I want to have sex with men?\" The way
homosexuality is hated and insulted in many parts of this country, I know that no one on earth would \'choose\'
to go that path unless it was part of the fabric of their being.
The bottom line is that this proposed amendment
is unconstitutional. Even if Bush somehow got everyone in congress and every individual state to support this, the
Supreme Court should easily declare this unconstitutional because there is no way a country can support such an
amendment with no logical base but only a religiously moral issue.
Let\'s face it: the institution of marriage
in the U.S. is becoming a joke, anyway. Getting a divorce nowadays is as common as changing your job or moving.
Britney Spears and other stars got married and unmarried all within days. The former President frequently shamed
his marriage vows. To think that homosexual marriages would somehow destroy the sanctity of marriage is to ignore
that marriage itself is slowly but surely being destroyed by the people who are already legally allowed to
marry.
Who knows? Maybe it would even bring back the sanctity of marriage...
\"Marriage is a sacred
bond between a man and a woman...\"
I always thought marriage would be a sacred bond between myself and the
person I wanted to spend the rest of my life in love with...my case would be a woman, but who am I to prevent
someone else from living their dream with someone of the same sex?
I
think that is not for the federal government to decide, leave it to the states......it certainly has no place in the
constitution.
Very good point. I can\'t say anything about states banning it but provide my personal opinion.
However, any amendment would be unconstitutional IMHO.
`free country´....... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] in way this is kind of amusing I mean in some states they
actually still lock people up for having oral sex right [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Now
imagine two men get hitched and sometime later file for divorce. `My husband (??) has not fullfilled his marital
duties! For me this is a good reason to get divorced!´
`And why do you refuse to consummate your marriage Sir?´
I don´t want to get arrested, we live in Iowa!´ [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Sorry, couldn´t resist that one
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] but just as sad and idiotic the humour is in the above, Bush´s
attitude (and all the others) is even worse [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
I
am on the Conservatives side on this one for a change. I think gay marriages are not a good idea. Marriage has a
very long tradition and I don\'t think it was a good idea to change it like they did in some places.. Then again,
I don\'t really understand why ANYONE would want to get married..
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
I have no clue if this should be in the US constitution or
not.. I will leave that up to you Americans. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a moral and religous issue and in both cases outside the
government\'s proper area of authority.
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I am on the Conservatives side on this one for a
change. I think gay marriages are not a good idea. Marriage has a very long tradition and I don\'t think it was a
good idea to change it like they did in some places.. Then again, I don\'t really understand why ANYONE would want
to get married.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
I have no clue if this should be in the US
constitution or not.. I will leave that up to you Americans. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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The constitution\'s the point, though, Franki. A main issue with
this is that certain powers are delegated to the federal govt, by the constitution, and the rest are left to the
states. Marriage laws are under state jurisdiction.
So, it is unconstitutional. It is an unwelcome and unlawful
encroachment by the feds into state and local affairs. Police state stuff.
Our founding fathers wanted a weak
federal govt. Based on our propensity to war promiscously, with our without the consent of the governed, I would say
that it could be weaker.
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The constitution\'s the point, though,
Franki.
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I know, I just wanted to post my 2 cents on the
topic of gay marriage though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Our founding fathers wanted a weak
federal govt. Based on our propensity to war promiscously, with our without the consent of the governed, I would say
that it could be weaker.
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I\'ll certainly vote for you.
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The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a
moral and religous issue and in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.
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Exactly
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The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a
moral and religous issue and in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.
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Exactly. Guess that is what happens when you make an ultra-religious
people in goverment.
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The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a moral and religous issue and
in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.
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class=\"post\">
Exactly. Guess that is what happens when you make an ultra-religious people in goverment.
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Well, now Ah-nold is clamoring for an amendment to the
constitutional requirement that all U.S. presidential candidates be native born.
Now, granted.. that provision
was a contrivance to keep out Alex Hamilton, btu still......
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The amendment is an absurdity. It is clearly a moral and religous issue and
in both cases outside the government\'s proper area of authority.
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class=\"post\">
Exactly. Guess that is what happens when you make an ultra-religious people in goverment.
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Think witch burnings! It\'s not religous people, it\'s
zealots of any stripe. Truly religous people are kind and giving. Zealots use religion to cover their twisted
desires to posses, dominate and control others.
religion is what should be banned not love. Take away religion for a year or two, and nobody will miss it just
like a sh*t TV show or papers that spread lies
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religion is what should be banned not love. Take
away religion for a year or two, and nobody will miss it just like a sh*t TV show or papers that spread lies
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
LOL. I agree with the second statement, though not the first.
what
you like crap TV shows [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Can I ask why on earth is this in the
Health section Pancho [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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what you like crap TV shows
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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At least I
always like crappy tv shows. I heard they are starting a new series of Big Brother in a few days here in Germany..
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Franki isn\'t gay but he did get felt up by a man today. He claims not to have liked it.
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
I
Hated it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
He should have been more gental with your giant
If you are against abortion, don\'t get one!
If you are against gay marrage, don\'t marry one!
Unfortunately,
there are some people who think everyone should live by their beliefs, and no other!
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
religion is what should be banned not love. Take away religion for a year or
two, and nobody will miss it just like a sh*t TV show or papers that spread lies
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class=\"post\">
LOL. I agree with the second statement, though not the first.
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class=\"post\">
I dunno... Mel\'s new piece is certainly stirring up a lot of Christian fundie frenzy.
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If you are against abortion, don\'t get one!
If
you are against gay marrage, don\'t marry one!
Unfortunately, there are some people who think everyone should
live by their beliefs, and no other!
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What he said
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what you like crap TV shows
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Can I ask why on earth is this in the Health section Pancho
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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That\'s a
very good question, CJ. I was making a statement that the very health of the U.S. is at risk if they start allowing
the federal government to make up whatever they want without any legal authority as Bel and others have
said.
Maybe they just oppose the potential tax breaks of filing jointly...
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] (even though there are a few problems as well)
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class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
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religion is
what should be banned not love. Take away religion for a year or two, and nobody will miss it just like a sh*t TV
show or papers that spread lies
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
LOL. I agree with the second
statement, though not the first.
<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">
I dunno... Mel\'s new piece
is certainly stirring up a lot of Christian fundie frenzy.
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Nice.
You know me, I like shaking things up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Let
them get married and then when they get divorced and have to start paying alimony and child support maybe they will
not think it is such a great idea. Who cares hetero couples live together w/o getting married. Whay can\'t gays
be happy with that as well. Marriage is a dying institution anyway.
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Let them get married and then when they get
divorced and have to start paying alimony and child support maybe they will not think it is such a great idea. Who
cares hetero couples live together w/o getting married. Whay can\'t gays be happy with that as well. Marriage is
a dying institution anyway.
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It is all about wanting to have the
choice to determine on their own whether marriage is a good thing or not.
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religion is what should be banned not love.
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Oh yes!!!!! So true.
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Who cares hetero couples live together
w/o getting married.
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Not true.... most states deem it a
\'common law marriage\' after living together as a couple from anywhere between 5-7 years.
But its the state
that governs the law... NOT the federal government, just as it should be.
There are some religious people on this board - at least I know of one - so I think we shouldn\'t keep trashing
it over and over out of respect for something very important to them, even if we don\'t agree.
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