I just don't know how to use -none

[dogsbutt]

I

give up. I\'ve tried NPA/m, w, TE, PI/m, APC, one drop, one dab, one spray, all the way to six drops.

I never

get consistent results. Ever. Sure, I get hardcore stares, DIHLs, intimidation, respect. But, the main reaction

is total ambivalence or disinterest. WAGG and Nol don\'t help much (slightly, but perhaps A1 or V5 are things

I\'ll have to check out)

Here\'s a theory I have about myself, and maybe someone can fuel my fiction for me.

Maybe, just maybe, I produce enough -none on my own. Adding some more just screws things up. The occasional

interest is due to someone who is VNO-challenged.

Or maybe my body breaks it down into something else that puts

a cloaking device on me. Combinations that aren\'t none heavy seem to work exceptionally well; I love rone and

nol as a combo.

Don\'t get me wrong; occasionally I get some real juicy things going on. But, they are so

reminiscent of what happens without -none that I wonder if that adds anything for me.

an example I\'ve

mentioned before; 6 drops of PI/m, and I got nothing but respect from guys and TOTAL disinterest from women. Not

even freaked out; they just couldn\'t care less. An \"oh, I didn\'t see you there\" kind of day. I find that

to be so bizarre.

I\'m going to go out sometime this week and use 10 drops of NPA, and I\'ll report what

happens.

[bundyburger]

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An an example I\'ve mentioned

before; 6 drops of PI/m, and I got nothing but respect from guys and TOTAL disinterest from women. Not even freaked

out; they just couldn\'t care less. An \"oh, I didn\'t see you there\" kind of day. I find that to be so

bizarre. kind of day. I find that to be so bizarre.

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They

will ignore you if you stink. It\'s known that this mysterious sex \"the female\" will hide a bad reaction and

just pretend to not notice. That includes not noticing you even exist.

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Allright, I\'m speaking sh!t a little, but it\'s close

to what\'s happening.

\"oh, I didn\'t see you there\" is exactly the way many people (even guys) will

react to anyone who\'s got something funky going on. Then sometime later they\'ll say to their friend, \"Holy

[censored]!! Did you smell that guy! B.O. problem or WHAT!!\"

[bundyburger]

You may not need a-none at all, but try one dab (or even less!) of NPA/m spread out between both of

your arm pits.

Think \"barely detectable\".

If you don\'t get any bad reactions from that, then use that

similar amount for a couple of weeks. It\'s an experiment. You\'re trying to find the average reaction from a

large number of targets.

Maybe vary your application points around occasionly, but stick to really small amounts.

Even one dab is a LOT of a-none compared to your natural output.

[bjf]

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I give up. I\'ve tried NPA/m, w, TE, PI/m, APC,

one drop, one dab, one spray, all the way to six drops.

I never get consistent results. Ever. Sure, I get

hardcore stares, DIHLs, intimidation, respect. But, the main reaction is total ambivalence or disinterest. WAGG

and Nol don\'t help much (slightly, but perhaps A1 or V5 are things I\'ll have to check out)

Here\'s a

theory I have about myself, and maybe someone can fuel my fiction for me. Maybe, just maybe, I produce enough -none

on my own. Adding some more just screws things up. The occasional interest is due to someone who is

VNO-challenged.

Or maybe my body breaks it down into something else that puts a cloaking device on me.

Combinations that aren\'t none heavy seem to work exceptionally well; I love rone and nol as a combo.

Don\'t

get me wrong; occasionally I get some real juicy things going on. But, they are so reminiscent of what happens

without -none that I wonder if that adds anything for me.

an example I\'ve mentioned before; 6 drops of PI/m,

and I got nothing but respect from guys and TOTAL disinterest from women. Not even freaked out; they just

couldn\'t care less. An \"oh, I didn\'t see you there\" kind of day. I find that to be so bizarre.

I\'m

going to go out sometime this week and use 10 drops of NPA, and I\'ll report what happens.

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Help!!!

Dogsbut, if you do a search on each of those products, you will

find that even one drop of each can be an OD.

Half a drop of PI is probably most ideal, but a drop is cool. Over

that, there is no point.

As for NPA, 1-3 dabs is good. Four dabs=1 drop.

[OCP]

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You may not need a-none at all, but try one dab (or

even less!) of NPA/m spread out between both of your arm pits.

Think \"barely detectable\".

If you don\'t

get any bad reactions from that, then use that similar amount for a couple of weeks. It\'s an experiment.

You\'re trying to find the average reaction from a large number of targets.

Maybe vary your application points

around occasionly, but stick to really small amounts. Even one dab is a LOT of a-none compared to your natural

output.

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I have experienced submisie behavior from females from 2

dabs of PI/m and 2 dabs of NPA/m. It does not take much
!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[CJ01]

DB

it does sound like none is not the one for you at least not as the main phero. Why not try something more balanced

like AE or AFA or even AE/w. 10 drops of NPA [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

I don´t get consistent `results´either not in a posisitve

way. Some days are better than others for people and they react better to mones then I noticed.

[EXIT63]

Do you tell them your name is Dogsbutt? Cause that could be a problem.

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Sure, I get hardcore stares, DIHLs, intimidation, respect

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Those ARE results.

Do you open your mouth? Smile? Convey what a

great guy you are?

You don\'t have crazy eyes do ya?

[Gossamer_2701]

Hey DB... you can try mixing your None products into some unscented lotion and spread it out much more.

I could hardly use one drop of NPA w/out ODing, but mixing 2d in lotion with 4-5d SPMO seems to be working quite

well for me. But I\'m still playing around with the dosage and application points.

[dogsbutt]

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They will ignore you if you stink.

It\'s known that this mysterious sex \"the female\" will hide a bad reaction and just pretend to not notice.

That includes not noticing you even exist. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Allright, I\'m

speaking sh!t a little, but it\'s close to what\'s happening.

\"oh, I didn\'t see you there\" is exactly

the way many people (even guys) will react to anyone who\'s got something funky going on. Then sometime later

they\'ll say to their friend, \"Holy [censored]!! Did you smell that guy! B.O. problem or WHAT!!\"

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I have gone out with REALLY small amounts (1 dab of TE for example) and

built up from there. Still inconsistent. And I\'ve had good cover scents.

[dogsbutt]

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DB it does sound like none is not the

one for you at least not as the main phero. Why not try something more balanced like AE or AFA or even AE/w. 10

drops of NPA [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] :shocked

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The 10 drops is just to see consistent reactions. For the sake of science.

I get great

results with AE/w, and products with no none, like SOE.

[dogsbutt]

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Hey DB... you can try mixing your None

products into some unscented lotion and spread it out much more.

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class=\"post\">

Spreading it out over larger areas sounds like a great idea. I\'ll try that.

[bjf]

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DB it does sound like none is not the one for you at least not as the main

phero. Why not try something more balanced like AE or AFA or even AE/w. 10 drops of NPA

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] :shocked

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The

10 drops is just to see consistent reactions. For the sake of science.

I get great results with AE/w, and

products with no none, like SOE.

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Yea, I understand the Oding

thing for the sake of seeing reactions. However, ODs that big often yield NO reaction because tragets can\'t

localize the source of the pheros.

Think of it as someone wearing a ton of perfume. The whole room smells but

you can\'t figure out where it is coming from for that reason.


You have AE/w and SOE. I thought you

did.

Try this: 2.5 drops of AE/w (the AE dropper is 1/3 of a normal drop, so times by 3 if you are using AE/w

dropper).

2 drops of SOE (that is 2 inches per drop with the roll on, I think, so 4 inches total)



Then, 5 dabs of TE. That is 1.25 drps.

This will give you an ideal None level, but with all the Nol and Rone

you need in front of it.

[pico]

the AE dropper is 1/3 of a normal drop???! Are you sure bjf??? what do you take to be a normal drop?

[bjf]

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the AE dropper is 1/3 of a normal drop???! Are you

sure bjf??? what do you take to be a normal drop?

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Sounds extreme

doesn\'t it? Someone once did a lot of testing to determine this number. Can\'t remember who. But recently

someone reminded me of this circumstance.

If I knew how to test this out myself, I would. Maybe using alcohol

and a large amount of drops would work.

[pico]

then again i\'ve always thought that a dab was the same amount as an AE drop...

[Sexyredhead]

I have to disagree on this one. My dropper of AEw looks like a normal drop to me--same as what I get

out of my other eyedroppers and my PIw dropper. And if I use more than two drops of it, I OD myself,and so

does Elana.

[DrSmellThis]

I have a close friend who pretty much can\'t wear -none. Women get repulsed all of a sudden. But I

made him a -none free mix that women loved on him. For him and yourself I\'d recommend only 1 dab of Edge per day

(just to make sure you\'re higher than the average guy, and to get the secret ingredient), spread out on the body,

with other mones dominating.

If I couldn\'t wear -none, knowing what I now know, I\'d try A1, as that is

just as masculine as -none/-rone, without the antisexual effect of too much -rone. Your body will convert as much A1

as it wants to -none.

[bjf]

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I have to disagree on this one. My dropper of AEw

looks like a normal drop to me--same as what I get out of my other eyedroppers and my PIw dropper. And if I use more

than two drops of it, I OD myself,and so does Elana.



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Hmmm. When I look at the drops, the seem signficant. However, supposedly, the testing was

thorough to come up with this number. I think I will have to do a test one of these days.

Pico: I think

people\'s dabs must be differnt.


If you take your finger off the top after you have completely flipped the

bottle back vertical again, you will have less than if you take your finger off while you are still in the process

of turning it back over. Know what I mean? I find when I do it the second way I have some pheros that start

dripping down my finger. If I do it the first way, it just isn\'t as runny (because you have less on your finger

tip).

[CptKipling]

To find out the volume of any dropper, just measure out 1ml (or 2mls if you want to be more precise) of

your product (not water), and see how many drops it takes to use it all up.

It\'s not rocket science.

[bjf]

I

searched the boards, and people got varying results, but I think the average was 50-60 drops per ml with an AE

dropper.....20 drops per ml standard dropper.

I just did a test with vodka....filling a 1/4 teaspoon the top. I

got about 60 drops with standard dropper and about 120 with AE dropper. A 1:2 ratio.

[Sagacious1420]

Post by Oscar: </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
all \"drop\"

calculations are ballparked at 20 drops per milliliter on the calculator. The tiny dropper that comes with AE yields

anywhere from 50 to 60 drops/mL, so the actual drops, being smaller, provide a much smaller dose of pheros than the

calculator would lead us to believe....Since the calculator is calibrated based on 20 drops/mL for all products, the

estimated conversion factor I use for AE is 1/3.


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[bjf]

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Post by Oscar: </font><blockquote><font

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all \"drop\" calculations are ballparked at 20 drops per milliliter on the

calculator. The tiny dropper that comes with AE yields anywhere from 50 to 60 drops/mL, so the actual drops, being

smaller, provide a much smaller dose of pheros than the calculator would lead us to believe....Since the calculator

is calibrated based on 20 drops/mL for all products, the estimated conversion factor I use for AE is 1/3.


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Yea, saw that

post....I trust him...so who knows [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[bjf]

The AE dropper definitely seems like 1/3 of the standard bttle top dropper..... I used just one of those pharmacy

ones..

What does the pherocalculator use?

[dogsbutt]

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I have a close friend who pretty much

can\'t wear -none. Women get repulsed all of a sudden. But I made him a -none free mix that women loved on him.

For him and yourself I\'d recommend only 1 dab of Edge per day (just to make sure you\'re higher than the

average guy, and to get the secret ingredient), spread out on the body, with other mones dominating.

If I

couldn\'t wear -none, knowing what I now know, I\'d try A1, as that is just as masculine as -none/-rone, without

the antisexual effect of too much -rone. Your body will convert as much A1 as it wants to -none.

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I\'ll try the A-1 idea, as well as small dabs of TE. Let\'s see what

happens.

[CptKipling]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
The AE dropper definitely seems like

1/3 of the standard bttle top dropper..... I used just one of those pharmacy ones..

What does the pherocalculator

use?

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0.05 drops per ml is the scientific \"standard\". If you

want accuracy, your best bet really is to calibrate your own droppers, because we are dealing with different carrier

substances as well (a drop of SOE will be bigger than a drop of NPA from the same dropper).

[Friendly1]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Here\'s a theory I have about myself,

and maybe someone can fuel my fiction for me. Maybe, just maybe, I produce enough -none on my own. Adding some

more just screws things up. The occasional interest is due to someone who is VNO-challenged.

<hr

/></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

In other discussions you\'ve talked about not bathing and disrearding

other rules of good hygiene.

Perhaps, since what you\'re doing now isn\'t giving you the results you want,

you could swallow your pride and try it the other way for a month or two and see if that gets you better

results.

[OCP]

</font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
Here\'s a theory I have about myself, and maybe someone can fuel my fiction

for me. Maybe, just maybe, I produce enough -none on my own. Adding some more just screws things up. The

occasional interest is due to someone who is VNO-challenged.

<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

In

other discussions you\'ve talked about not bathing and disrearding other rules of good hygiene.

Perhaps, since

what you\'re doing now isn\'t giving you the results you want, you could swallow your pride and try it the other

way for a month or two and see if that gets you better results.

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class=\"post\">

Go for it! I bet you get laid more than you do now!...Let us know ASAP.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[dogsbutt]

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In other discussions you\'ve talked

about not bathing and disrearding other rules of good hygiene.

Perhaps, since what you\'re doing now isn\'t

giving you the results you want, you could swallow your pride and try it the other way for a month or two and see if

that gets you better results.

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I only hadn\'t bathed for two or

three days. It\'s not a regular habit, just testing something out. My normal habit is to shower almost every

day, half the time with soap.

I really don\'t see where the pride is that I\'m to be swallowing.

[OCP]

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</font><blockquote><font

class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
In other discussions you\'ve talked about not bathing and disrearding other

rules of good hygiene.

Perhaps, since what you\'re doing now isn\'t giving you the results you want, you

could swallow your pride and try it the other way for a month or two and see if that gets you better results.

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I only hadn\'t bathed for two or three days. It\'s not a regular

habit, just testing something out. My normal habit is to shower almost every day, half the time with soap.

I

really don\'t see where the pride is that I\'m to be swallowing.

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Inquiring minds want to know the results.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]