Can you smell WAGG?

[Bruce]

If you apply WAGG

somewhere with no other pheros or fragrance and let the alcohol dry, can you smell anything at that spot? If so,

how would you describe the smell?

Bruce

[Gossamer_2701]

I applied

two drops to the inside of my wrist and waited 15 min. I\'ve been sniffing it for an hour now, and the scent is

kinda sweet, but barely noticable at all. I think its closer to unscented than anything else.

Goss

[belgareth]

As far as I

can tell there is no scent at all.

[Felix]

Yes I can. It has

a slight sweetish smell which is very obvious to me immediately upon application and even after the alcohol had

dried off. However, after an hour or so, the smell would have reduced so much that it would only be perceptible if I

put my nose to the spot where the WAGG has been applied.

[Bruce]

I can only smell it

if I press my nose to the spot, but there is definitely some faint smell there and nothing like the other pheromone

smells. \"Sweet\" might be a good word for it.

B

[Skyy]

Uhm hmm, I can

smell wagg pretty good and it isnt sweet to me.....It smells sorta chemically to me and if I wait 20 mins after

application, the smell doesnt change, over time it fades down, but it is not remotely sweet in my opinion

Bruce

you sent me wagg right? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Bruce]

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Uhm hmm, I can smell wagg pretty good and it isnt

sweet to me.....It smells sorta chemically to me and if I wait 20 mins after application, the smell doesnt change,

over time it fades down, but it is not remotely sweet in my opinion

Bruce you sent me wagg right?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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What does it

say on the label?
People perceive odors in vastly different ways. Especially with something as unusual as this.

It smells like alcohol at first of course; then something admittedly very strange. I wouldn\'t worry if the word

\"sweet\" doesn\'t jump out at you.

Bruce

[Skyy]

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Uhm hmm, I can smell wagg pretty good and it isnt sweet to me.....It smells

sorta chemically to me and if I wait 20 mins after application, the smell doesnt change, over time it fades down,

but it is not remotely sweet in my opinion

Bruce you sent me wagg right?

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What does it

say on the label?
People perceive odors in vastly different ways. Especially with something as unusual as this.

It smells like alcohol at first of course; then something admittedly very strange. I wouldn\'t worry if the word

\"sweet\" doesn\'t jump out at you.

Bruce

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Label says wagg

:P

If i had to go into detail, its like a burt chemically smell and I can smell it very easy. It is the only

thing you sell that I can actually smell. none,rone,nol (i cant detect if my life depended on it)

[markus]

i can smell a

very very faint smell when i press my nose to it. it\'s hard to describe because i never smelled something like

this before. it is something burned but not like a big smoke thing. sweet is a good description for it. a sweet

burn. yeah.

[DrSmellThis]

It was

sweat-like, if I remember correctly.

[cuddlebear]

WAGG is

odorless to me ... it would be the first of the mone products that I could forget whether I put it on or not. In

order of smell obvious-ness (OK, I know that\'s not a word) I would say, from most to least, None, Rone, Nol, WAGG

...

But now that it has been brought up, I will sniff again sometime and see if I can detect burnt (or sweet)

offerings [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[bundyburger]

I\'ve

always been able to smell WAGG. It\'s very much a body scent. Hadn\'t noticed till it was mentioned here, but

there IS kind of a sweet smell there somewhere. I can also detect an a-none type scent there as well. In fact my

first impression of WAGG was that it had a \"smelly\" pheromone of some sort in it. Certainly not as offensive as

a-none though. Maybe a derivitive.

[ontimenow]

I can smell

wagg, it reminds me of a sweet melon(don\'t laugh).

[xvs]

My cousin\'s wife

sniffed my bottle of WAGG and said something like:

\"Eeek! It smells like teenage boys!\"

Which is probably

not too far from the truth...

[Janet_Universe]

Can you

mix WAGG with your cologne? and not affect its properties?

Thanks

Janet Universe

[bundyburger]

You

certainly can. All of us here do it all the time. With all the products.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

In fact having a cologne present HELPS carry the pheromones.


...well, it causes the victim (hehehe) to smell what you\'re wearing anywayz. By doing that they also take in

any pheromone signature you have.

[InternationalPlayboy]

Got

my bottle last night. Put two drops on my wrists this morning and rubbed them together. Meant to use only one, but

two (or maybe even three) came out. Put another drop on my pant leg.

Very little smell at first, even with my

nose right up to my wrist. But now, 3.5 hours later, I\'ve noticed it in the air once in awhile and my wrists do

have a not unpleasant smell to them if I put my nose right up to them. I can also detect a bit of a pheromone smell

as an undertone.

[InternationalPlayboy]

Second day of using WAGG (2 drops total, 1 drop on wrist, 1 drop spread on either side of neck/behind ears) and it

just dawned on me what the smell is like after wearing it for a few hours. A very, very light sandalwood. I

experiment a bit with aromatherapy oils, pure essential oils I buy at a local herb shop. This smells like the

sandalwood oil I have, but nowhere nearly as pungent. I have to get my nose right up to my wrist to identify it.

[Sagacious1420]

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Second day of using WAGG (2 drops total, 1 drop on

wrist, 1 drop spread on either side of neck/behind ears) and it just dawned on me what the smell is like after

wearing it for a few hours. A very, very light sandalwood. I experiment a bit with aromatherapy oils, pure essential

oils I buy at a local herb shop. This smells like the sandalwood oil I have, but nowhere nearly as pungent. I have

to get my nose right up to my wrist to identify it.

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So you\'re

into EOs, are you...you\'ll fit in nicely around here. Have you had a chance to check out any of the EO posts

floating around the forum?

Btw, imo you\'d be better off using just a few dabs of WAGG vs. drops. At least

that\'s been my experience.

[Biohazard]

Yup, it smells

kinda wierd... even hours after application. Can\'t describe it, but it\'s not pleasing to my senses. Makes me

kinda nauseas actually. But every time I put it on (2 drops around the collar of my shirt)... random people start

making small talk with me more often.

WAGG seems to make me really relaxed, so much so that I can\'t use it

on a daily basis. I feel almost depressed actually. I guess that\'s the effect on others too -- relaxed around

you such that they don\'t feel any subconscious threat.

I\'ll stick with my daily power combo: 2 drops

PI/m and 8\" SOE.

[pico]

Hey

Biohazard,
Have you tried PI + WAGG instead of PI + SOE?

I\'m interested in how you find WAGG compared to SOE

when mixed with PI.

Also have you tried using a tiny amount of either NPA or TE with PI and SOE, or with PI and

WAGG?

Try adding the WAGG to your wrists and to the back of the neck, away from the nose. I find 2 dabs work best

(I\'ve taken the dropper cap off permanently)

[Biohazard]

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Hey Biohazard,
Have you tried PI + WAGG instead

of PI + SOE?

I\'m interested in how you find WAGG compared to SOE when mixed with PI.

Also have you

tried using a tiny amount of either NPA or TE with PI and SOE, or with PI and WAGG?

Try adding the WAGG to

your wrists and to the back of the neck, away from the nose. I find 2 dabs work best (I\'ve taken the dropper cap

off permanently)

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Hmmm... PI/m has enough none, so why add NPA

or TE? TE smells awful too, I tried it before and ended up returning it. Don\'t have NPA, I figure it\'s

redundant to PI.

I\'ve never actually tried only PI + WAGG, my foundation is always PI + SOE. I\'ll

add in +1 dab of PCC on random days or 2 drops of WAGG on the shirt. I\'ll try applying WAGG on the wrists

instead to see what happens. But the bottom line is that the effect of WAGG is really numbing, something that I

have a hard time dealing with thus far.

The PI + SOE has worked great. I just won\'t go into details

about my sex life because it\'s gotten very scandalous. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[Max]

long time daihard

fans of SOE who rate SOE over WAGG are still around. SO, do you find PI/SOE combo as a good recipe for a night out

as well, Biohazard? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[Gossamer_2701]

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Hmmm... PI/m has enough none, so why add NPA or TE?



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The only reason I can think of, is to add a small amount of

NPA\'s secret ingredients. I recall someone (Pico?) postinng a theory about ODing on NPA\'s secret ingredients

rather than the ~none.

[CptKipling]

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Hmmm... PI/m has enough none, so why add NPA or TE?

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The only reason I can think of, is to add a small amount of NPA\'s

secret ingredients. I recall someone (Pico?) postinng a theory about ODing on NPA\'s secret ingredients rather

than the ~none.

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It\'s quite a well established idea that the

NPAm secret affects OD responces/threshold. It would be nice if someone could tell us what it was, but that isn\'t

going to happen.

[Watcher]

You just need to

learn how to use it along with other products in youre combos. Learn what it does then add other components to

complement and stregthen its impact.

[Biohazard]

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long time daihard fans of SOE who rate SOE over

WAGG are still around. SO, do you find PI/SOE combo as a good recipe for a night out as well, Biohazard?

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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PI+SOE is

great for daily wear (I use St. Ive\'s Apricot facial scrub to exfoliate the face/neck twice per day BTW to

minimize buildup) as well as a night out. I\'m still not all to hot about WAGG, mainly because it seems to sap my

mood. I like feeling energetic and \"up\" about life, and of course \"up\" when I\'m around any attractive

ladies (pun intended with \"up\"). [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[pico]

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The only reason I can think of, is to add a

small amount of NPA\'s secret ingredients. I recall someone (Pico?) postinng a theory about ODing on NPA\'s

secret ingredients rather than the ~none.

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It was DrSmellThis

who originally put forward the theory of ODing on secret ingredients, not me. But my findings have definately found

that you only need a small amount of secret ingredients, and too much can totally ruin a mix, hence why I dished my

1PI:1NPA/m:1NPA/w:1WAGG mix. This seemed to work best at 2 dabs, even in smokey bars! But if I used more than 2

dabs, say 4 or 5, the mix broke down. The mix seemed to work even better if I used an extra dab of PI with it. Now I

don;t use mixes, I find combos more versatile so I can choose what to use on what day.

This is DrSmellThis

theory:

theory
he wrote:
\"Hormonal changes in

you directly cause predictable cognitive and hormonal changes in me, through the \"magic\" of pheromones. This is

interesting because it means our social environment is literally sort of a macro-brain! You and I are really part of

the same social organism (a term resurrected by Bloom for popular culture in The Lucifer Principle.). So pheromones

are really the equivalent of both hormones and neurotransmitters for social organisms, one of nature\'s

meta-animals!

Flexible little chemicals, aren\'t they?

The VNO is a unique place; where naked

brain cells meet the environment! No conversion of input to chemical signals is necessary, unlike when nerves in

your finger are triggered by pressure to the skin.

The theater of operations is very small. Once the

receptors are full, occupied, and firing, few molecules can get in. The law of diminishing returns enters.



So it should not be suprising that, in my recent Life on the Edge survey, the 25 respondents endorsed peak

effectiveness at around 2-3 dabs, while the response dropped off in a steep manner after that. What that means, I

suspect, is that 2-4 dabs provides enough \"mystery pheros\" to have all our matching VNO neurons firing already,

\"thank you very much!\"

More is like beating a dead horse, I am guessing, except a dead horse smells

better. The extra mones are then processed through some weird olfactory and lymphatic paths that have nothing to do

with mating.
So now maybe the brain even interprets this overflow as due to some ominous situation like

overpopulation, a battlefield, or a mass of dead bodies, even -- all of which are more cannibalistic than romantic

scenarios! After all, what other scenarios in nature could be responsible for that many pheros being produced in

one place? How else could our mammalian brains interpret it!?

This is maybe why, when we OD, people treat us

like we\'re Hannibal Lector; or worse yet, like we\'re Charice! Do me now, Jodi!

So perhaps the \"more

is better\" approach might work with some pheros, when they trigger their effect through smell, a process where a

bit of higher order processing by the brain has to occur before mating hormones become triggered. With vision, even

more cognitive mediation of our hormonal responses occur, a point on which jvk and I have not entirely connected.

The VNO bypasses all that, we can suppose, and is more \"reptilian\" in function. Your hormones lead directly to

my reptilian behavior. (\"You bring out the Gecko in me, my dear!\" )

There is also the possibility of

neural fatigue to consider. Neurons can\'t fire infinitely fast, forever. Eventually an OD could lead to a

temporary inability to respond sexually, an occurrance I should not like to observe until I roll over and enter

Snoresville, Fartholvania.

This is one reason why I like an oil base for pheromones (a la PI, AE; SOE). The

time-release is more compatible with our neural rythms.

All this means is, be careful out there, folks, of

OD\'ing on VNO-reactive pheros!
\"

[Difference]

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The only reason I can think of, is to add a small amount of NPA\'s secret

ingredients. I recall someone (Pico?) postinng a theory about ODing on NPA\'s secret ingredients rather than the

~none.

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It was DrSmellThis who originally put forward the theory

of ODing on secret ingredients, not me. But my findings have definately found that you only need a small amount of

secret ingredients, and too much can totally ruin a mix, hence why I dished my 1PI:1NPA/m:1NPA/w:1WAGG mix. This

seemed to work best at 2 dabs, even in smokey bars! But if I used more than 2 dabs, say 4 or 5, the mix broke down.

The mix seemed to work even better if I used an extra dab of PI with it. Now I don;t use mixes, I find combos more

versatile so I can choose what to use on what day.

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My math may be

completely off, partly because I make the assumption that one drop of NPA/w has .018 secret ingredients and .006

-none, while NPA/m has .012 of secret ingredients and .012 none (again, gross assumption, but it seems to work well

for me).

Three drops of a 1:1:1 ratio of PI:NPA/w:NPA/m would be .043 none, and .03 LaCroy secrets, by my faulty

(yet useful) logic. The way I dab, I get three dabs to a drop, so two dabs would be .0066 secrets and .0095 none

(not enough none for me, but right at the threshold of secret ingredients). One extra drop of PI would be perfect,

especially with WAGG in the mix.

From my experience (read: what works for me; YMMV), I cannot go over .007 for

the LaCroy secret ingredients, or I overdose. I haven\'t yet figured out the perfect range, but I do know that

going over .007 is definitely an OD.

It\'s funny, but ODing on the secret ingredients (one full spray of the

Edge will do it for me), and I tend to disappear from the crowd. Maybe I become too intimidating that people

don\'t even want to address me or talk to me, regardless of how much WAGG, SOE, or A1 I\'m wearing. I don\'t

know.

I do know that around .0048 is where I get great results with the secrets (which means I have to spike what

I\'m wearing with either PI or CS none to get the none count higher).

Just thought I\'d share.

Dave

[pico]

Dave,

Great

post!
with the figures, mine are quite different to yours.
Your NPA/m and NPA/w figures are ok though, given a

drop volume of 0.05ml. However I think NPA/w has different secret ingredients to NPA/m (anyone correct me if i\'m

wrong)

I\'m using CptKipling\'s Excel pheromone calculator (not abductors) to work out my figures.
PM

me or him and either one of us will send you a copy. (I think he\'s releasing it properly on the forum

soon)

Anyway, with 2 dabs, each dab at 0.0167ml, for my 1PI:1NPA/m:1NPA/w:1WAGG mix

gives:

Androstenone 0.0072
LC Secrets 0.0020
LC secrets/w 0.0030
WAGG Ingredients

0.0042


Going back to an old post by DrSmellThis about Life on the Edge survey saw that the optimum dabs

of TE was 4.
This gives only 0.0027mg secret ingredients.

Either way, it looks more and more that only a

very small amount of NPA is needed with a big none boost, like PI.

I have exactly the same experience as you,

too much NPA and I \"disappear\".

What is YMMV?

This is good research.