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    Hi everyone, I have a lot of dumb questions to ask and i feel like i should give a lot of information, so this is

    gonna be a LONG one.
    i just found this forum last night and i read the archives back to april or may. I\'ve

    heard about \'mones\' over a year ago and have always wondered how well they work so i\'m considering giving

    them a try but i\'m hoping for a bit of advice first before i go ahead and order anything. I\'m a poor college

    student.

    First, i\'m living at home this year, so i\'m wondering what shows up on your credit card

    statements when you order? nosey parents suck.

    Next question: What should i order? a little background

    information on me and what i seem to have gathered from reading the forums (consequently i\'ve read so much that

    i\'m just blatently overwhelemd and confused).
    I\'m almost 20, i\'m about 5\'10\" w/ out shoes,about 180

    lbs, stocky build (somewhat muscular), light olive (mediteranian) complexion, black/brown hair and brown eyes. In

    terms of looks i\'m a mid 7, maybee low 8 on a good day. To give you an idea of my \'style\' i\'m into

    heavy metal, i used to wear a lot of concert t-shirts, jeans, chains etc, no body peircings or tatoos though.

    I\'ve tried to clean up my act a bit recently, i kind of look a bit like an itallian mobster now: long hair

    slicked back in a pony tail, i wear a lot of polyester button down shirts and jeans, other than black the only other

    colors i wear are red and sometimes dark blue, i feel that I really give off a strong lone wolf/clint eastwood vibe,

    very unaproachable, i always look really serious, i\'m one of those people who don\'t smile unless they have a

    real reason to.

    so i guess that means i want to go with hardly any none, maybee something like

    wagg?

    In terms of my personal skills, i say people tend to like me once they get to know me. I can be funny,

    i have a rather dry sense of humor though that tends to go right past a lot of people who think i\'m being

    serious. I tend to be somewhat witty and sarcastic, although i can also be blatently sexual with my humor. My

    friends (females included) love it. Around people i don\'t know i\'m just very dry though, witty and sarcastic

    at best if i can come up w/ anything, with friends it just flows naturally. I\'m a difficult person to get to

    know because i\'m unaproachble, and i\'m somewhat shy so i don\'t really approach anyone and it amplifies

    about 10x in group situations, if there are just guys around i can fake it, but if there\'s even one girl in the

    group i just sit there quietly. I have a hard time initiating conversation with girls i don\'t know, i never know

    how to open up, what to say, etc. So i almost never approach girls unless i have a good reason to do so (which is

    very rare). I\'m your typial geek, Electrical Engineering Major, president of the math club, oh yeah the ladies

    swoon all over that stuff. so something that makes them chatty would be good and even approach me would be

    great.

    so i guess that would maybee be something like AE?

    I like to wear scents, aftershave balms etc.

    but i like stuff that\'s fairly unique. I was at the mall the other day I really liked curve and gio, but

    everyone wears that stuff. I was thinking about some stuff by Yves Saint Lauren like Body Kuros. So i don\'t

    know maybee something that would mix well with fragrecnes would be good? Or something with it\'s own unique

    fragrence. I\'m not a huge fan of musks, but hey if the ladies like it i\'m down.

    I\'m really starting

    to ramble at this point. so in short what would all you experts out there reccomend i try for my \'style\' so

    to speak. what about potenial mixes? I really can\'t afford to break the piggy bank though. and how do you guys

    who live with your folks \'stealth order\' this stuff?

    Thanks

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    Before you even consider mones you need to look at yourself and consider some changes. Yeah, it is

    difficult to start a conversation with a stranger, especially a pretty girl. So? We\'ve all had that problem. Do

    it anyway. The more you do it, the easier it gets. Try saying hello and asking a question (open ended) or give a

    compliment. Make an effort to smile more often. Consider your appearance, is that the image you really want to

    portray? Step outside your comfort zone and try some different clothes or colors or hairstyles.

    Mones are great

    and they do seem to do a lot of good but they are only a part of the overall picture. Personality and appearance far

    overwhelm the mones, especially during the critical first impression. If you come across as unapproachable on first

    sight, mones are not going to be a big help. If you come across as open and friendly, they can help you become

    hugely successful.

    I had the same problem with my parents regarding my mail when I was young. We finally had a

    low key confrontation about it when I asked them how they felt about breaking federal law. If they open mail

    addressed to you as an adult, they are commiting a crime. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row before you do

    that, I had a copy of the federal statute to show them. Check with the postmaster\'s office for that.

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    Default Re: Long Newbie post: overwhelemd by choices

    Speedreader Eh?

    1. I believe it says L-S products on the statement.

    2. Wagg and AE

    3. Check

    the customer service department forum for ordering questions or click on \"ordering\" on the Love-Scent home

    page.

    Hope this helps.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Mones are great and they do seem to do

    a lot of good but they are only a part of the overall picture. Personality and appearance far overwhelm the mones,

    especially during the critical first impression.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    i agree 100

    percent about personality far overwhelming the mones, but do you really think appearance is more important than

    mones? i am not sure. even in the critical first moments. unless by appearance you mean also the way you move and

    hold your body. but i would count that as personality. maybe i will call it physical personality. tone of voice will

    also go in this category. apearance as in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO. there are also so many

    kinds of women, and you never know what they (dont) like about the guys cloths, whereas you can always say that a

    woman finds attractive a guy that is confident.

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    Since I am a minimalist on mone usage, I think appearance does have a significant impact. If the

    effective range of the mones is say 5-6 feet, and the time it takes to create a pheromone impression is a couple

    seconds, then what a woman sees is going to form the first impression. That will happen long before she gets close

    enough to be hit by the mones. If you are wearing enough mones to cause a reaction at 15-20 feet the first

    impression may be different but will you encounter repulsion at close range? (Phew, he stinks! or scary?) Yes, some

    women will be attracted to the gangster look but I believe that more will be put off by it. Don\'t most women, or

    people in general, want to be around somebody that is fun? Some probably would like the thrill of the dangerous type

    but why not shoot for the majority? I also wonder what problems you may encounter when your appeaarance (includes

    body language) contradicts your mone signature. Wouldn\'t that cause a subconcious trust issue? If every aspect of

    a person is in agreement, wouldn\'t that make a woman more likely to trust him?

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    belgar, I admit you pose some interesting points and you also lay out some good common sense. I

    appreciate your and everyone elses replies.

    I agree that physical appearance does go a long way, which is why

    i\'ve tried to clean mine up lately as i\'ve said. I used to be a total slob, and now I\'m going for a

    cleaner look while still maintaining what i feel to be my \'appearance-individuality\'.

    I\'ve read a LOT

    of posts in the past day inclduing some outrageous stuff. All I\'m really hoping as that mones would help with

    that initial encounter to meet new people, such as the stories i\'ve read of girls just comming up to guys and

    saying \'hi\' and starting conversations.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    belgar, I admit you pose some interesting points

    and you also lay out some good common sense. I appreciate your and everyone elses replies.

    I agree that

    physical appearance does go a long way, which is why i\'ve tried to clean mine up lately as i\'ve said. I used

    to be a total slob, and now I\'m going for a cleaner look while still maintaining what i feel to be my

    \'appearance-individuality\'.

    I\'ve read a LOT of posts in the past day inclduing some outrageous stuff.

    All I\'m really hoping as that mones would help with that initial encounter to meet new people, such as the

    stories i\'ve read of girls just comming up to guys and saying \'hi\' and starting conversations.

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    Try Wagg and go from there.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Since I am a minimalist on mone usage,

    I think appearance does have a significant impact. If the effective range of the mones is say 5-6 feet, and the time

    it takes to create a pheromone impression is a couple seconds, then what a woman sees is going to form the first

    impression. That will happen long before she gets close enough to be hit by the mones. If you are wearing enough

    mones to cause a reaction at 15-20 feet the first impression may be different but will you encounter repulsion at

    close range? (Phew, he stinks! or scary?) Yes, some women will be attracted to the gangster look but I believe that

    more will be put off by it. Don\'t most women, or people in general, want to be around somebody that is fun? Some

    probably would like the thrill of the dangerous type but why not shoot for the majority? I also wonder what problems

    you may encounter when your appeaarance (includes body language) contradicts your mone signature. Wouldn\'t that

    cause a subconcious trust issue? If every aspect of a person is in agreement, wouldn\'t that make a woman more

    likely to trust him?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    i also wear small none amounts so we\'re

    not talking 20 feet reaction here. still, the pheros work pretty fast. i think a few seconds is much much more than

    what it takes for the mones to get into play. i would go with a fraction of a second. i\'ve seen women coming into

    the crowded underground and immediately starting to look where the mones are comeing from. when you come up to a

    woman and say hi, or something else, she will see your appearance and react to the mones at the same time. now, if

    you sit somewhere and exchange looks for a while, then you are right, but in the normal situations when i hit on a

    girl it doesn\'t make a change (i creep from behind and say a sexy hallo

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ).

    the good question is what happens when the mones and your

    appearance contradict each other. here i think you are probably right and one has a problem. but one should also

    remember that interpreting appearance as neat or baggy or whatever is not a pure scientific thing, it is also

    influenced from the mones. go with the same cloths without the mones and with the mones and your appearance would be

    received differently.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    apearance as in what cloths you wear is

    not really important IMHO.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You have a LOT to learn about women, if

    you think they don\'t consider the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow it with Dream Girl simply by

    dressing the wrong way. You never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls you\'ve got some style

    sense.

    There will always be a few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick action. But most single women

    are looking for long-term relationships when they are looking at all.


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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    But most single women are looking for long-term

    relationships when they are looking at all.



    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\"> OH yes. All girls I

    know want men for real longterm relationships! Yeah right!

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
    Clothes are not THAT important, it depends on your wardrobe if

    you need to get new/different gear or not and also what circles you move in.

    Okay now I gotta read the entire

    thread [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    Out of the girls I know, most want somebody with a thick wallet, a car and two mount everests worth of

    arrogance.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

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    apearance as in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You have a LOT to learn about women, if you think they don\'t

    consider the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow it with Dream Girl simply by dressing the wrong way.

    You never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls you\'ve got some style sense.

    There will always

    be a few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick action. But most single women are looking for long-term

    relationships when they are looking at all.



    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Your

    appearance says an awful lot about you and women notice. Not just the type of clothes you wear but many other

    details as well. Some women are turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and

    tee shirt, others would like to see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of them look at whether he is well groomed

    or sloppy about his appearance.

    Isn\'t \'common sense\' an oxymoron?

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    Belga im a combination of both
    Normally im mostly in green and brown, long hair, the rugged-type

    facial hair left to its own fate for a few days, native american beads around my neck (the inch thick line), plus I

    do look slightly indianish (tan, black hair).
    However, if there\'s need, I shave, tie my hair into a pony tail

    and voila, transformation from a woodsman to a serious mafiosoish businessman in 20 minutes

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Out of the girls I know, most want somebody with a

    thick wallet, a car and two mount everests worth of arrogance.


    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Most?! Well that implies that at least some of them are worth talking too.
    I wouldn´t waste my time with such cool

    personality challenged people as you´ve described [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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    Well thats exactly my opinion. Treat the nice girls as human beings, and the bitches don\'t deserve

    anything better than being mistreated, since that\'s what they want anyway.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    apearance as

    in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You have a

    LOT to learn about women, if you think they don\'t consider the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow

    it with Dream Girl simply by dressing the wrong way. You never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls

    you\'ve got some style sense.

    There will always be a few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick

    action. But most single women are looking for long-term relationships when they are looking at all.



    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Your appearance says an awful lot about you and women notice. Not just the

    type of clothes you wear but many other details as well. Some women are turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and

    prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and tee shirt, others would like to see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of

    them look at whether he is well groomed or sloppy about his appearance.

    Isn\'t \'common sense\' an

    oxymoron?

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Be yourself. If you create a certain look just to

    attract women, then you attract women to the look and not who you are. You may not get along with this type of

    lady. For instance I am a jeans and T-shirt kinda guy. If I went out in a suit then I would attract women who like

    guys in suits and not women who like guys in jeans and T-shirts and the personalities are very different most of the

    time. I hope that makes sense. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Well thats exactly my opinion. Treat the nice girls

    as human beings, and the bitches don\'t deserve anything better than being mistreated, since that\'s what they

    want anyway.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    I second this opinion.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Your appearance says an awful lot

    about you and women notice. Not just the type of clothes you wear but many other details as well. Some women are

    turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and tee shirt, others would like to

    see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of them look at whether he is well groomed or sloppy about his appearance.




    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    Gimme a man in Levi\'s and a tight white T-shirt and I am

    good to go.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    apearance as in what cloths you wear is not really important IMHO.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You have a LOT to learn about women, if you think they don\'t consider

    the clothes you wear to be important. Most guys blow it with Dream Girl simply by dressing the wrong way. You

    never get off the ground if you don\'t show the girls you\'ve got some style sense.

    There will always be a

    few horny ones on the prowl, looking for some quick action. But most single women are looking for long-term

    relationships when they are looking at all.



    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    if a woman is

    looking for a long term relationship and all she cares about is the cloths, then she is not my dream girl. i sure

    have a lot more to learn about women, and i am always glad to do it

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] but i have also seen enough to know that if you are charming

    enough, they wont give a second look on the cloths. which doesn\'t mean appearance is totaly not important. but

    appearance itself is far more than cloths. its far more important the way you move your body, the way you hold it,

    the way you talk, than what you wear.

    now, if you dont have charm, you might want to buy some expensive cool

    looking cloths.

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    Don\'t worry so much about what women want, worry about what YOU want.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    </font><blockquote><font

    class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    Your appearance says an awful lot about you and women notice. Not just the

    type of clothes you wear but many other details as well. Some women are turned on by the outdoors, rugged look and

    prefer a deeply tanned man in jeans and tee shirt, others would like to see a man in a suit and tie. Almost all of

    them look at whether he is well groomed or sloppy about his appearance.


    <hr /></blockquote><font

    class=\"post\">

    Gimme a man in Levi\'s and a tight white T-shirt and I am good to go.

    <hr

    /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    You just made my point better than my earlier ramble did.

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    First, i\'m living at home this

    year, so i\'m wondering what shows up on your credit card statements when you order? nosey parents suck.




    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    They read YOUR CC statements?? Or are you using their cards?

    ...

    You DON\'T WANT to start with WAGG in my book! It\'s funny stuff, but it is not the easiest stuff to

    figure out I find. Start with AE, you can hardly go wrong with that.



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    If there\'s something women deffinitely don\'t dig, it\'s losers with no backbone who will do

    anything to appeal them. They will prefer a guy who wears, thinks and does stuff they don\'t agree with but he is

    firm in his self. The \"what can i do to make you like me\" shows a lousy weak personality that isn\'t a good

    material, neither genetically nor for a relationship.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    If there\'s something women

    deffinitely don\'t dig, it\'s losers with no backbone who will do anything to appeal them. They will prefer a

    guy who wears, thinks and does stuff they don\'t agree with but he is firm in his self. The \"what can i do to

    make you like me\" shows a lousy weak personality that isn\'t a good material, neither genetically nor for a

    relationship.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">

    and that includes \"what cloths can i wear to make

    you like me\"

    its all about charm, humor and confidence. not cloths.

    oh and an interesting personality can

    come in hand too for long term relationships. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Well the more guys care about their looks the less you can bet is inside. Does have exceptions, but

    good as a general rule.

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    Down with Metrosexual\'s [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    You don´t need to know `what women want´ or like. When you´re with a woman you need to know what she likes and

    wants in particular - that´s what you need to know as far as women are concerned. F*ck I´m starting this repeating

    sh*t again

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    Not sure I agree with that Rakesh, as what you\'ve described as a weak \'bend over backwards\'

    attitude can also be interpreted, in small measures, as a willingness to compromise - which is pretty much essential

    in any relationship.

    Being your own man is one thing, but being unwilling to change for anyone is a sure road to

    unhappiness.

    I\'m somewhat like you Novmode, very dry sense of humour that, those who don\'t know me, can

    interpret as me being serious. All I can advise is to take your \'self-improvements\' one step at a time,

    I\'m embarked on a gradual regime of just being more confident and friendly to those that I might pass in the

    street ( obviously discresion is called for here as well, you don\'t want to smile and make eye contact with an

    obvious Psychopath ), just building it up to look and smiling pleasantly at, say, two people in any one day, then as

    time draws on you feel gradually more confident to up the ante.

    Also, getting Pheros to work for you can be a

    pretty daunting learning curve, so don\'t take any extreme reactions you might recieve personally. I was out last

    night wearing four drops of AE/m, went dancing and approached this one girl and she couldn\'t get away from me

    fast enough, she literally ran straight from the dance floor, for a moment I was totally shattered then I realised I

    must have ODed, as it was a pretty extreme reaction ( and I was dressed and groomed well, etc ).

    Don\'t expect

    these things to work miracles right away, a lucky few get that but most don\'t, think of the mones as merely a

    building block in your plans to become a stronger, more confident individual.

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    </font><blockquote><font class=\"small\">Quote:</font><hr />
    You don´t need to know `what women

    want´

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    You mean we don\'t all want the same thing?

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    I thought we all wanted men with tons of money, a nice car and

    dressed to the hilt. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    CJ:

    You\'re right, of course. There are always that sort of women around and they are best

    avoided. I can\'t imagine bothering with any of them. UGH!!

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    Rake:

    I am middle aged now and it may have changed my

    perspective a bit. I simply don\'t give a crap what people think about the way I dress. As a businessman who

    sometimes has to crawl under a desk or into an attic, I find that khakis or jeans and a button down shirt are best.

    My beard is short and neat because that\'s how I think a beard should look, unshaven or unruly beards and

    moustaches look dirty to me. Large, showy or garish jewelry is usually laughable. Since I spend a large part of my

    day at a keyboard, people expect my hands to be soft, they aren\'t. I don\'t tan and quit trying years ago, in

    the summer my skin is slightly red, in the winter it\'s pale. I am of medium height and try hard to not look

    muscular. Ok, add to that a touch of aloofness and a rather sharp sense of humor.

    In other words, I intentionally

    don\'t do 90% of what these dating books and websites say you should do. Yet there has never been a shortage of

    wonderful women in my life. The biggest and most important things are always overlooked. Be confidant and friendly.

    Don\'t direct your attention only to what you would call 9s or 10s. Be nice to everybody. Be fun and interesting

    to be around and be trustworthy. But never, ever be a push over for anybody! Practice a good attitude at all times.

    It will be worth every bit of the effort.

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