AEw--The -mones or me?

**franki** · 02-16-2004, 08:41 AM

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I certainly don\'t have any conclusions, just

picking yor brains with hypotheticals.

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I found out that my brain

always starts hurting when you start picking it with hypotheticals.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] That IS a conclusion.

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 08:42 AM

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So how coming the men have found negative reactions to increasing CS Rone?

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Don\'t know....don\'t care. We love it

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What

happened to the whole, \"this forum is a family\" thing? Help the guys out

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**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 08:43 AM

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I certainly don\'t have any conclusions, just picking yor brains with

hypotheticals.

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I found out that my brain always starts hurting

when you start picking it with hypotheticals. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] That IS a

conclusion.

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How else can you learn if you don\'t ask questions?

**franki** · 02-16-2004, 08:45 AM

You don\'t

need a ton of \"hypotheticals\" for questions, do you? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**Pancho1188** · 02-16-2004, 08:48 AM

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Because it is very hetero male, like none. Women

have very little of it compared to men. That is not the time of the month that sex was intended for, and afterall,

what else are men good for?

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Sex, reaching high places, lifting

heavy objects, and the occasional chivalrous act....yeah, that\'s about it.

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 08:48 AM

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You don\'t need a ton of \"hypotheticals\" for

questions, do you? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I tend to notice contradictions, and rather than squashing one belief or the other, I try to

come up with scenarios that would explain how both can be true. Because most of the time, I believe them to be just

that.

**Elana** · 02-16-2004, 08:52 AM

Stop spending

so much time thinking and go pick up some females. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 08:58 AM

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Stop spending so much time thinking and go pick up

some females. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]Okay dear. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I\'m not just about results, like to know how results occur,

so it can all be repeated over and over and use the knowledge to increase success expodentially.

Rone is an

elusive one. We\'ll leave it at that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**Sexyredhead** · 02-16-2004, 09:09 AM

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Because it is very hetero male, like none. Women have very little of it

compared to men. That is not the time of the month that sex was intended for, and afterall, what else are men good

for?

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Sex, reaching high places, lifting heavy objects, and the

occasional chivalrous act....yeah, that\'s about it.

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Don\'t

forget opening doors, fixing stuff, and opening jars and bottles. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**Elana** · 02-16-2004, 09:37 AM

bjf...you

wanted answers, you got answers straight from FTR...

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-none is known to signal dominance and cause aggression -- \'rone just signals \"male.\"

\'rone

doesn\'t bother us when we\'re pms-ing because WE LIKE MEN ... but don\'t [censored] around trying to one-up

us when we\'re pms-ing! that\'s why -none is so irritating and makes us want snarly and want to bitch slap.

It\'s the dominance factor.

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**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 09:43 AM

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bjf...you wanted answers, you got answers straight

from FTR...

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-none is known to signal dominance

and cause aggression -- \'rone just signals \"male.\"

\'rone doesn\'t bother us when we\'re pms-ing

because WE LIKE MEN ... but don\'t [censored] around trying to one-up us when we\'re pms-ing! that\'s why

-none is so irritating and makes us want snarly and want to bitch slap. It\'s the dominance factor.

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Thanks. That was nice

of you to email her for me. Glad you could help me out. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

**franki** · 02-16-2004, 09:49 AM

I assume she

still reads most of the posts here, so I am saying hi here to her..

Hi FTR..

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**Elana** · 02-16-2004, 09:56 AM

I didn\'t

email her. She read your posts and was in fightin mode. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 09:56 AM

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I didn\'t email her. She read your posts and was

in fightin mode. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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LOL, same old FTR.

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 09:59 AM

I should ammend

that. She just gave her helpful perspective in a classy manner.

**Elana** · 02-16-2004, 10:01 AM

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I should ammend that. She just gave her helpful

perspective in a classy manner.

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Yep.

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**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 06:37 PM

SRH

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Whoever told you women don\'t want to have

sex during that time of the month??? Many women get extremely horny then. And extremely hetero men are right handy

for that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I think there\'s just something about -none that gets

us irritable.

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That is when I am the horniest

<hr /></blockquote>Yep, that\'s been my experience. If you ask me, it\'s not so much that it\'s an issue for

women at that time of the month, but it is for many men. I\'ve had SOs who assumed that I would not be interested

because of their previous experiences w/ other men who had some kind of aversion to the idea of sex during

menstruation. They can be extremely horny and the sex can be great.

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 06:53 PM

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Another thing, I have read guys saying adding to

much CS rone made women to submissive, bit intimidated.

This reminds me of the none reactions, and we know what

none does to PMSing women.

<hr /></blockquote>Hmmmm....As you know, I\'ve been

investigating the role of rone in my mixes for several months and I\'ve only experienced increasingly positive

responses by uping the amount of rone. There haven\'t been all that many posts about experimenting w/ rone in

mixes and the ones I recall seemed to be more along the lines of ppl trying rone solo a few times, not noticing

much, but no mention of how much they were using. So I don\'t know where you get the idea that ppl were using too

much. That is if they haven\'t mentioned how much was used, then how can you know that they were using too

much.

As I\'ve posted over and over again, AE/m consistantly causes a submissive reaction in women. If the

rone is below or even equal to the none, then women are submissive. If there is more rone than none in the mix,

this phenomenon ceases. The results have been consistant after months on testing.

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 07:10 PM

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AEw and SOE don\'t have massive amounts of -rone

in them, either, so there\'s no danger of the big OD\'s reported during chemset experiments.

<hr

/></blockquote>I could be wrong, but in my searches I don\'t ever recall anyone posting

anything about rone OD\'s. A few ppl have posted that too much rone hasn\'t worked for them, but I don\'t

recall any mention of actually how much was being used. Perhaps I\'m mistaken.

In SOE the rone content is 1

mg/ml and in AE/w it is about 1/3 the concentration. I would have to assume that those who say that too much rone

hasn\'t worked for them were using it at concentrations greater than 1 mg/ml. In my best mix, I use 0.5 mg/ml.

The result are great and very consistant. JVK has mentioned negative reactions in some women, especially pregnant

women, even at 1 mg/ml and I have never noticed any negative responses (even in pregnant women) at the 0.5 mg/ml

concentration.

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 07:15 PM

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So how coming the men have found negative reactions

to increasing CS Rone? What could the reason be behind that? It certainly does not jive with what you guys think

of high rone levels.

<hr /></blockquote>Maybe I\'m missing something here. Do me a

favor and PM me links to the posts that report negative reactions to increased rone. Was it in a mix or was it from

solo testing? How much was being used, at what concentration? How long did these ppl test these mixes, dosages

and/or concentration levels?

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 07:17 PM

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Another thing, I have read guys saying adding to much CS rone made women to

submissive, bit intimidated.

This reminds me of the none reactions, and we know what none does to PMSing

women.

<hr /></blockquote>Hmmmm....As you know, I\'ve been investigating the role of

rone in my mixes for several months and I\'ve only experienced increasingly positive responses by uping the amount

of rone. There haven\'t been all that many posts about experimenting w/ rone in mixes and the ones I recall

seemed to be more along the lines of ppl trying rone solo a few times, not noticing much, but no mention of how much

they were using. So I don\'t know where you get the idea that ppl were using too much. That is if they

haven\'t mentioned how much was used, then how can you know that they were using too much.

As I\'ve

posted over and over again, AE/m consistantly causes a submissive reaction in women. If the rone is below or even

equal to the none, then women are submissive. If there is more rone than none in the mix, this phenomenon ceases.

The results have been consistant after months on testing.

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Sag:

You are testing high amounts of Rone with Lacroy secret ingredient in the

mixture too.

I have seen a lot of posts with guys increasing the rone in their mixes, and it did lead to

negaive effects, but the situations seemed to be without lacroy secret ingredients.

There was even a post

where a guy where wearing straight Rone at .026 and a kid in a supermarket said \"Daddy, that guy scares me\" And

the dad said \"He\'s fine\" with a \"is he?\" look on his face.

Rone may siginal masculine, but a lot

of masculine, when not aided by a strong comfort siginal may be no good. Think about it, men are physically more

powerful then women and women are therefore usually vunerable to being attacked, etc.

Women\'s instincts

probably evolved to look for a certain amount of trust that goes with that masculinity.

Now can you imagine

using None without the secret ingredients? How about none without even Nol, or even rone?

Straight None does

not bring the best results. It seems to only work best at lower levels than we normally have of it when aided by a

comfort pheromone.

So, to explain your success and a lot of people\'s lack of success with Rone, I am just

throwing out their that maybe the Lacroy secet ingredients does something unique for it that Nol (like those who had

trouble with higher rone levels were using in combo with) does not, thus allowing you to get all the positive that

comes with a masculine/hetero signature without the draw backs. I.E. Instead of you coming off like some dominant

male, you are coming off like a good dominant male type - fatherly.

And if you are looking for reports of

Rone increases having negative effects, look no further than JVK and his development of SOE.

I\'d like

LaCroy to consider doing a Rone formula as well as a None formula.

So does this all make sense to

anybody?

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 07:23 PM

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bjf...you wanted answers, you got answers straight

from FTR...

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-none is known to signal dominance

and cause aggression -- \'rone just signals \"male.\"

\'rone doesn\'t bother us when we\'re pms-ing

because WE LIKE MEN ... but don\'t [censored] around trying to one-up us when we\'re pms-ing! that\'s why

-none is so irritating and makes us want snarly and want to bitch slap. It\'s the dominance factor.

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/></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>There are similar posts by

FTR in the archive that are almost identical to this statement. It was a result of posts from FTR and SRH about

their positive reactions to rone, JVK\'s research findings and reflecting upon my experiences w/ products that

contain rone that lead me to begin my rone investigations. Of course, I\'ve stated this before but I suppose it

should be repeated...again.

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 07:32 PM

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AEw and SOE don\'t have massive amounts of -rone in them, either, so

there\'s no danger of the big OD\'s reported during chemset experiments.

<hr /></blockquote>I could be wrong, but in my searches I don\'t ever recall anyone posting anything about rone

OD\'s. A few ppl have posted that too much rone hasn\'t worked for them, but I don\'t recall any mention of

actually how much was being used. Perhaps I\'m mistaken.

In SOE the rone content is 1 mg/ml and in AE/w it is

about 1/3 the concentration. I would have to assume that those who say that too much rone hasn\'t worked for them

were using it at concentrations greater than 1 mg/ml. In my best mix, I use 0.5 mg/ml. The result are great and

very consistant. JVK has mentioned negative reactions in some women, especially pregnant women, even at 1 mg/ml and

I have never noticed any negative responses (even in pregnant women) at the 0.5 mg/ml concentration.

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Sag,

SoE

4Nol:1 Rone can\'t be that intimdating because the

message being sent is one of a heavy female signal.

AE 3.5 to 1 it is not plentiful either, but you still get a

lot of females looking down if you make eye contact, and my guess is that is because of the none, not the rone.

The fact that they make the eye contact to begin with shows the addition of other pheromones to straight none

(which can lead to total avoidence of EC at the same leves) is a step up. I don\'t think the submissiveness is a

product of the rone content in AE.

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 07:38 PM

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So how coming the men have found negative reactions to increasing CS Rone?

What could the reason be behind that? It certainly does not jive with what you guys think of high rone levels.

<hr /></blockquote>Maybe I\'m missing something here. Do me a favor and PM me links to

the posts that report negative reactions to increased rone. Was it in a mix or was it from solo testing? How much

was being used, at what concentration? How long did these ppl test these mixes, dosages and/or concentration

levels?

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DOing searches won\'t yield you the best results. It

is a matter of really reading the old posts, because these types of posts are all hidden in their. But it

definitely was a pattern. If it wasn\'t, and the outcomes were the opposite, it would have caught on by now, with

guys using more rone in their mixes, more rone products, etc.

It was mixes and solo testing, don\'t know what

concentration, and usually they did not test very long because people would say, \"when I add more rone it just

makes the mix not work\", so they would quit.

Most of the testing did not seem to be in combo with Lacroy, I

have never seen a straight CS Rone and NPA/TE trial as Skye is going to try. I think this is a siginificat

difference between your findings and their\'s though I could be wrong.

I am just trying to make sense out of

different results, both of which I believe to be correct.

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 08:18 PM

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Sag:

You are testing high amounts of Rone with

Lacroy secret ingredient in the mixture too.

I have seen a lot of posts with guys increasing the rone in their

mixes, and it did lead to negaive effects, but the situations seemed to be without lacroy secret ingredients.

<hr

/></blockquote>You know that I\'ve been intensely investigating the role of rone in mixes

for months. I\'ve used it in varying proportions/concentrations and dosages. Again, I\'ve been researching rone

on the forum all this time and I don\'t recall \"lots of posts\" about rone, used solo or in mixes. I\'m

basing my conclusions on very extensive testing in a variety of environments.

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There was even a post where a guy where wearing straight Rone at .026 and a

kid in a supermarket said \"Daddy, that guy scares me\" And the dad said \"He\'s fine\" with a \"is he?\"

look on his face.

<hr /></blockquote>I recall this post...it was an isolated experience

and the guy didn\'t continue his testing, iirc. Isn\'t it possible that this kid\'s father gave this person a

\"strange\" look because he was trying to figure out why his kid said this, but didn\'t actually understand why?

I\'ve used my high rone mixes around kids lots of times and have had only positive reactions. Couldn\'t it be

possible that the person who posted this would have had this reaction w/ none solo as well? Lacking repeated

testing, it is difficult for me to accept that this is a decisive conclusion when compared to my extensive

testing.

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Rone may siginal masculine, but a lot of

masculine, when not aided by a strong comfort siginal may be no good. Think about it, men are physically more

powerful then women and women are therefore usually vunerable to being attacked, etc.

<hr /></blockquote>Doesn\'t this run counter to the idea that none signals dominance and aggression, while rone

signals a nonthreatening male presence? Are you thinking that Lacroy\'s secrets are comfort

pheros?

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Women\'s instincts probably evolved to

look for a certain amount of trust that goes with that masculinity.

<hr /></blockquote>Thus the significance of rone in a mix. That\'s one of the reasons for experimenting w/ a

greater proportion of rone to none in my mixes.

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Now can you imagine using None without the secret ingredients? How about none without even Nol, or even

rone?

<hr /></blockquote>Yes. I\'ve done this. Only none and no secrets. Results were

inferior to a mix containing other pheros. The best results come from a mix that has a similar general proportion

of none, rone and nol as is found in AE/w, which the ladies here love and report it giving them a very positive

feeling.

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Straight None does not bring the best

results. It seems to only work best at lower levels than we normally have of it when aided by a comfort

pheromone.

<hr /></blockquote>Exactly. I posted about this recently in a different

thread.

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So, to explain your success and a lot of

people\'s lack of success with Rone, I am just throwing out their that maybe the Lacroy secet ingredients does

something unique for it that Nol (like those who had trouble with higher rone levels were using in combo with) does

not, thus allowing you to get all the positive that comes with a masculine/hetero signature without the draw backs.

I.E. Instead of you coming off like some dominant male, you are coming off like a good dominant male type -

fatherly.

<hr /></blockquote>We have repeatedly seen Lacroy\'s products referred to as

providing a raw sexual power, so I don\'t see how they would be equated w/ being comfort pheros. A mix like JB#1

has always been trouble for me, so I don\'t see how the Lacroy secrets would have anything to do w/ my success in

using increased levels of rone. I think rone signals \"masculine\" and \"trustworthy\", not necessarily

\"fatherly\". SRH has posted that it reminds her of a \"trusted male\" and it has been stated that a woman

wearing rone gave them the feeling of the presence of a bf or SO, iirc.

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And if you are looking for reports of Rone increases having negative effects,

look no further than JVK and his development of SOE.

<hr /></blockquote>I\'m familiar w/

his work and you know that. As I stated earlier, SOE has a rone concentration of 1 mg/ml and I use 0.5 mg/ml. This

would probably explain my lack of negative reactions from women. I\'ve even had positive experiences w/ pregnant

women on many occasions. I was at party recently where there were 2 pregnant women and I had some nice social hits

from both. I\'ve been in public places on many occasions and have had pregnant women linger in my vicinity...some

have engaged me in conversation. On a few occasions while hanging out in a coffe shop, have had them sit at the next

table when they could have easily sat much further away if they felt an aversion.

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 08:53 PM

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Sag,

SoE

4Nol:1 Rone can\'t be that

intimdating because the message being sent is one of a heavy female signal.

<hr /></blockquote>Where did you come up w/ that idea? I don\'t recall JVK ever stating that he was developing a

product that was designed to mimic the phero siganture of women. Was he not attempting to develop a product that

would yield positive responses from women? If I\'m mistaken, then I\'d love to hear from him regarding this

issue. SwingerMD has had great success w/ SOE alone, perhaps he only attracts women w/ latent lesbian tendencies.

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As I\'ve mentioned, I use a rone concentration of 0.5 mg/ml

and the ratio of nol to rone is 2:1, unlike SOE\'s 4:1 ratio.

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AE 3.5 to 1 it is not plentiful either, but you still get a lot of females

looking down if you make eye contact, and my guess is that is because of the none, not the rone.

<hr

/></blockquote>I\'m referring to the proportion of none to rone in AE/m (I\'m assuming

that you\'re referring to AE/m since you didn\'t specify) and it consistanly yields submissive responses from

women at that ratio. I wouldn\'t be surprised if this is why some guys report \"lack of results\" from women

when wearing AE/m solo. They are likely to be reacting, but in a submissive manner. If they respond by looking

down, as has been my experience, then they may be misinterpreting it as a non-hit.

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The fact that they make the eye contact to begin with shows the addition of

other pheromones to straight none (which can lead to total avoidence of EC at the same leves) is a step up.

<hr

/></blockquote>Yes, but increasing the rone is yet another step up.

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I don\'t think the submissiveness is a product

of the rone content in AE.

<hr /></blockquote>Why? Didn\'t you just state that none

solo can lead to EC avoidance? My thinking is that higher none + a bit of rone could be perceived as a

\"stronger\" male presence. However, since none leads the mix, then the bulk of that signal is still that of the

\"dominant/aggressive/intimidating\" male phero none. It\'s sorta like none=power. However, if rone outweighs

the none, then it conveys the message that one is \"trustworthy\" and \"powerful\". Don\'t women

like the idea of feeling safe and protected by their man, not dominated and intimidated? If I\'m wrong about this

ladies, then please correct me.

**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 08:58 PM

I\'ll get back

in more detail, but I think that the secret ingredient is a comfort pheromone, not the whole product. I think it

hold\'s none\'s hand sort of speak.

The best testing I could point you to on keeping rone levels low

would be that of Stone Lab\'s, who after two years of testing, found Rone to decrease effectiveness of their AE

mix when they it constituted above 20-something percent or so.

Oscar posted about this information - which

Stone Labs sent him in and email -- somewhere on pages in the three-hundreds. You may want to PM him to confirm

this info.

Calling Rone fatherly was just some word that I picked up off the top of my head. When you get

the most out of Rone - which you seem to be doing - it is masculine w/trust or whatever. It is all just vocab

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**bjf** · 02-16-2004, 09:03 PM

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Where did you come up w/ that idea? I don\'t

recall JVK ever stating that he was developing a product that was designed to mimic the phero siganture of women.

Was he not attempting to develop a product that would yield positive responses from women? If I\'m mistaken, then

I\'d love to hear from him regarding this issue. SwingerMD has had great success w/ SOE alone, perhaps he only

attracts women w/ latent lesbian tendencies

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What I meant is that

Nol is strong comfort pheromone, so even if rone can be negative to women (at high levels), the 4:1 ratio of

Nol:Rone offsets this .

**Sagacious1420** · 02-16-2004, 09:31 PM

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DOing searches won\'t yield you the best results.

It is a matter of really reading the old posts, because these types of posts are all hidden in their.

<hr

/></blockquote>I\'ve done both.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
But it definitely was a pattern. If it wasn\'t, and the outcomes were the

opposite, it would have caught on by now, with guys using more rone in their mixes, more rone products, etc.

<hr

/></blockquote>I never noticed a pattern in my research. No one has ever really done any

very extensive testing that I\'ve noticed. I\'ve been testing this \"theory\" for about nine months and, as

I\'ve mentioned, at various ratios/concentrations and dosages in a variety of

settings.

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It was mixes and solo testing,

don\'t know what concentration, and usually they did not test very long because people would say, \"when I add

more rone it just makes the mix not work\", so they would quit.

<hr /></blockquote>Well,

if ppl have only tried something a couple of times, give up and ppl assumed that it must not work, then I\'m not

all that surprised that there hasn\'t been much interest in more extensive testing. How many times have we seen a

newb try phero a few times, not see results and assume that they just don\'t work...leaving the rest of us

scratching our head?

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Most of the testing did

not seem to be in combo with Lacroy, I have never seen a straight CS Rone and NPA/TE trial as Skye is going to

try.

<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps that \"raw sexual\" edge of Lacroy\'s secrets is

precisely why I have had good resutls, where those who have used other none sources didn\'t. I\'d be interested

to see Skye\'s results. For me, the thing is to have a combination of pheros to mimic a more \"natural\"

signature. I wouldn\'t be too surprised if this is why rone solo doesn\'t seem to work...it just doesn\'t

make sense.

If we the goal is to create a positive response/feeling in women and they get this from a product

that has a general phero ratio as is found in AE/w, then why wouldn\'t we want to explore this? After extensive

testing, my experiences have supported what the ladies here have reported, i.e. more favorable reponses from women.

As I\'ve said, I\'ve been investigating this \"theory\" for several months and my results are

consistant. If ppl choose to disregard this, then I\'m fine w/ that.

**bjf** · 02-17-2004, 05:57 AM

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Well, if ppl have only tried something a couple of

times, give up and ppl assumed that it must not work, then I\'m not all that surprised that there hasn\'t been

much interest in more extensive testing. How many times have we seen a newb try phero a few times, not see results

and assume that they just don\'t work...leaving the rest of us scratching our head?

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It certainly was newbie\'s doing this, more of the vets who have since left he board,

but it is possible that the idea of keeping rone at very low levels was self perpetuating.

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Perhaps that \"raw sexual\" edge of Lacroy\'s

secrets is precisely why I have had good resutls, where those who have used other none sources didn\'t. I\'d be

interested to see Skye\'s results. For me, the thing is to have a combination of pheros to mimic a more

\"natural\" signature. I wouldn\'t be too surprised if this is why rone solo doesn\'t seem to work...it just

doesn\'t make sense.

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IMHO, the secret ingredient

isn\'t necessarily sexual. They stated on their website some time ago before they took the pages down about the

secret ingredient that it was designed to make the none more effective. I think that the strong sexual hits people

get from NPA/TE is a result of having a -None with less negatives than it would have on its own --without the secret

ingredient. So I think it is something in the family of A-1, wagg or nol, just better than any of those

three.

That is why I think it could help us to increase -Rone content. People who were increasing -Rone were

starting to see their mixes become less effective with more submissiveness.

As for where those posts are, if

I had to do it over again, I would have saved the links, but I agree that there still wasn\'t extensive testing

done. I still think there was enough testing done, however, for the board members to come to the general conclusion

that rone should be kept at low levels in a chem set mix.

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If we the goal is to create a positive response/feeling in women and they

get this from a product that has a general phero ratio as is found in AE/w, then why wouldn\'t we want to explore

this? After extensive testing, my experiences have supported what the ladies here have reported, i.e. more favorable

reponses from women.

As I\'ve said, I\'ve been investigating this \"theory\" for several months and my

results are consistant. If ppl choose to disregard this, then I\'m fine w/ that

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SAG!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I hope you don\'t think I am

saying your results are BS.

I know you have tested so many times with and without the rone and you have

seen people a lot calmer (guys not getting aggressive with you etc) when you had the rone in there. I know the

thoroughness of your testing and how long you have done it for.

I\'m all about the -rone. I think its

potential hasn\'t been fully tapped. Maybe you misinterpretted my posts - I am not trying to debunk your findings

I am trying to support them.

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