AEw--The -mones or me?

[Elana]

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Second, the scent is pretty girly/floral and I had

to use so much that I didn\'t like the smell on me.

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Wow! Who

wudda thunk?
I think it smells like a nice men\'s cologne.

[bjf]

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Second, the scent is pretty girly/floral and I had to use so much that I

didn\'t like the smell on me.

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Wow! Who wudda thunk?
I think it

smells like a nice men\'s cologne.

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Out of the bottle it

smells okay (because of carrier) but on the skin is smells (at least to me) way too flowery for a guy.

I have

also noticed, my heart is beating a little faster and stomach in nots. Gives me axious feeling. this is very

surprising, I just used two drops, and there is so little none.

I would think it is the rone doing this, but I

have never sen men experiencing similar symptons.


In any case, I was thinking a drop of AE/m and AE/w shoul

yield 7:6:5 Nol:None:Rone, which is kind of cool (not use if my numbers are right).

Wonder how such a ratio would

play.

[Sagacious1420]

Just

wanted to point out that I haven\'t used AE/w from the bottle. I had a gel pack and I wouldn\'t be surprised if

the scent is a little different, just like there is a difference in the scent of AE/m from the bottle vs. the gel

pack.

[Elana]

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just like there is a difference in the scent of

AE/m from the bottle vs. the gel pack.



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I didn\'t know AE

came in a gel pack. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Are you making up stories again?

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[Sagacious1420]

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just like there is a difference in the scent of AE/m from the bottle vs.

the gel pack.

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I didn\'t know AE came in a gel pack.

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Are you making up stories again?

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<hr /></blockquote><font class=\"post\">They\'re

available \"elsewhere\" by different names, but are Stone Labs products w/ the exact same formulations

nonetheless. I got them w/ an order I placed almost a year ago (like L-S does w/ SOE gel packs), before I

discovered L-S. Since the gel packs are printed w/ a web link to \"that other place\", L-S doesn\'t carry them.

Out of respect for Bruce, I won\'t post the link.

[Elana]

Ah hah!!!

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[Sagacious1420]

I\'ve

found some of the recent feedback about AE/w very encouraging...given the reactions that the ladies have posted,

along w/ the results posted by the men who have tried it. A few forum members know that I\'ve been experimenting

w/ various ratios of none, rone and nol for several months. Based on the (relatively limited) research available

about rone, posts by JVK/SRH, intuition and seredipity I began playing around w/ the role of rone in various mixes.

The result is a mix that mimics the relative proportion of these 3 pheros as is found in AE/w, at least in the

general sense. The percentages aren\'t necessarily identical, but I\'ve had some very consistant results in

women (and men for that matter) w/ this ratio. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] In fact, even better

than when the proportions were pretty much the same as in AE/w. Since the fragrance of AE/w doesn\'t really

\"fit\" me, I can still enjoy the benefits of these proportions w/out worry. I also get a none level that\'s

more effective (for me) than I would get from using AE/w, at least w/out having to use nearly 1/2 of a full dropper

per application...which would result in a scent OD, even if the scent suited me well. Not to mention that it

wouldn\'t be very cost effective. But that\'s not really the point (and I do have one).

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] The point is that I may have been on the right track.

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[Sexyredhead]

What kind

of reactions are you getting, and how does it make you feel?

[Sagacious1420]

Reactions from women: Lots of hits. It still seems to have the sexual appeal that I\'d hope for, yet they seem

to be very comfortable around me. I\'ve noticed more tendencies to be approached, asked out on dates, asked for

my number or insisting that I take theirs. We\'ve discussed my approachability problem before, huh

SRH. One interesting thing is something much like a DIHL, but they don\'t zone out. That is, they will gaze at

me wide-eyed and w/ dilated pupils, hanging on my every word, but they can still maitain a convo. More comments

about feeling hot than ever before. I can often spend only a few minutes conversing and they wanna kiss me.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Sometimes that\'s a good thing, other times it isn\'t.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] The best thing is finally striking a balance between the sex

appeal/power and a hightened level of comfort. This is the mix I wore on NYE, btw. It\'s like they\'re not only

drawn to me, but they\'re also more comfortable being around me. In the past there seemed to be a dividing line

in hits w/ regard to age. More hits from 30+ women at higher doses and the converse w/ the younger women, but now

it doesn\'t seem to matter.

Reactions from men: Consistant respect w/out the intimidation. I can be hanging

out at a club and not have all the guys around me clear out...and they buy me drinks all the time...even ppl I

don\'t know. In stead of clearing out, some stranger will chat w/ me a couple of minutes, ask what I\'m

drinking, order it and go on their way. The bartenders at my hangout might charge me for one drink all night or not

charge me at all...and they always try to decline tips. Absolutely no male aggression, which has been a problem in

the past.

One general comment about the intimidation factor: I can get away w/ much higher none levels w/out an

OD than I ever could before. Since I had been including a small amount of WAGG in the mix, I wasn\'t sure if it

was buffering the potential for a none OD. So I left it out for awhile and the results were consistant. The guys

don\'t try to challenge me and the girls don\'t get all twitchy/nervous.

Effects on me: One thing is my own

comfort level. I can use a none dose that in the past would make me and everyone around me nervous, especially

guys. The effect of a none OD on me can be like I\'m intimidating myself sometimes. I don\'t have an aggession

problem in myself from the higher none levels. I\'ve used half the none dosage just using AE/m or AE/m + a dab

or two of NPA and felt very aggressive and yet now I don\'t feel that way at even higher none doses. It\'s like

I\'m projecting this \"aura\" that\'s both powerful and comfortable/safe at the same time. I feel very alpha,

like I and everyone else knows that I exude this power, but I don\'t have to prove it/use it. It\'s an

effective combination when interacting w/ ppl.

One other thing, in addition to maintianing this phero ratio,

I\'m utilizing the NPA secrets. I definitely think this adds to the sexual appeal of this mix. The NPA/w gives me

a big phero rush every time. I put this mix on and I feel like a rock star...regardless of whether anyone else is

around, so it\'s not like ppl\'s reactions are \"validating\" this feeling.

I\'ve been using this mix

for about 3 months now w/ very consistant results. Occasionally, I\'ll go back and try an earlier version, but I

don\'t get the same results.

Right now this mix isn\'t very feasible because I\'m using a lot of

different products to make it. In the future I plan to recreate it w/ the chem set. It may be a while though. One

small batch lasts a month, easily...maybe more depending on my usage.

[Johnny_Phero]

Care to

elaborate on the exact contents/ratios of this mix?

[Sagacious1420]

Sure.

The ratio is pretty simple. Its roughly 15% none, 30% rone and 55% nol.

The mix is listed on

the last page of the Brave New Year\'s Eve Experiment thread. The actual phero content and ratio are an estimate

since I\'m using stuff like NPA/w which we don\'t exactly know the none content of unlike other products. One

reason why I\'d like to try this ratio w/ the chem set. Although, I would probably prefer to sub the CS none w/

the NPAs for the secrets...obviously it works w/out having an exact account of total none content. I tend to focus

on the relative proportions anyway. As long as there\'s no risk of a serious OD, then I\'m not too concerned

about exact none content.

If you read that last post, I described what seemed like an OD experience that I

thought may have been due to phero build up on my coat. Well, I washed the coat a couple of times right after that

and haven\'t had any problems since then. I wash it every couple of weeks if I wear it along w/ pheros alot.

I\'m still using the same phero dosage that I typically use and was that night, but haven\'t had any further

problems. So it must have been a case of build up on that coat.

[Elana]

I didn\'t

really see a need for myself to get the unscented SOE because the AE/w is so da bomb, but I was a bit annoyed when I

used the AE/w when I was PMSing. Now that that is over with, I am back on the AE/w and loving it. I guess I do need

a product with -none for PMS times. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Did any of you ladies

get it yet?

[Sexyredhead]

I should

probably pick up some unscented SOE, since I definitely noticed some hostility when PMSing.

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But I will still miss my AEw.

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[Elana]

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But I will still miss my AEw.

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gotta love that rone [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[franki]

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I guess I do need a product with -none for PMS

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Did any of you ladies get it yet?



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Don\'t you mean -rone?

[Elana]

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Don\'t you mean -rone?

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[bjf]

Do you think rone

can make you uncomfortable during that time of the month?

[Sexyredhead]

Why would

it?

[bjf]

Because it is

very hetero male, like none. Women have very little of it compared to men. That is not the time of the month that

sex was intended for, and afterall, what else are men good for?

[Sexyredhead]

Whoever

told you women don\'t want to have sex during that time of the month??? Many women get extremely horny then. And

extremely hetero men are right handy for that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I think there\'s

just something about -none that gets us irritable.

[bjf]

Another thing, I

have read guys saying adding to much CS rone made women to submissive, bit intimidated.

This reminds me of the

none reactions, and we know what none does to PMSing women.

[bjf]

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Whoever told you women don\'t want to have sex

during that time of the month??? Many women get extremely horny then. And extremely hetero men are right handy for

that. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I think there\'s just something about -none that gets us

irritable.

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Like I said, what sex was intended

for.

Procreation.

So that is not the time of the month sex was intended for.

[Elana]

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So that is not the time of the month sex was

intended for.


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That is when I am the horniest

[dolly]

I agree, Elana!

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[Sexyredhead]

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Whoever told you women don\'t want to have sex during that time of the

month??? Many women get extremely horny then. And extremely hetero men are right handy for that.

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I think there\'s just something about -none that gets us

irritable.

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Like I said, what sex was intended

for.

Procreation.

So that is not the time of the month sex was intended for.

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So you\'re saying that women should only want to have sex about 2-3 days out of the

month--when they\'re ovulating?

AEw and SOE don\'t have massive amounts of -rone in them, either, so

there\'s no danger of the big OD\'s reported during chemset experiments.

[Elana]

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So you\'re saying that women should only want to

have sex about 2-3 days out of the month--when they\'re ovulating?


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Don\'t even joke about such a thing [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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[bjf]

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So that is not the time of the month sex was

intended for.


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I am not

saying women don\'t want to f-ck for recreational purposes, just thought maybe mother nature created the same

aversion to rone as she did to none.

SRH, I tried to carefully word my first post to avoid such a mixup.

Apparently it didn\'t come close to working!

[Elana]

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I am not saying women don\'t want to f-ck for

recreational purposes, just thought maybe mother nature created the same aversion to rone as she did to rone.




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I think that you thought wrong

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[bjf]

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I am not saying women don\'t want to f-ck for recreational purposes, just

thought maybe mother nature created the same aversion to rone as she did to rone.


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I think that you thought wrong [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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LOL. I certainly don\'t have any conclusions, just picking yor brains

with hypotheticals.

So how coming the men have found negative reactions to increasing CS Rone? What could the

reason be behind that? It certainly does not jive with what you guys think of high rone levels.

[Elana]

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So how coming the men have found negative reactions

to increasing CS Rone?

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Don\'t know....don\'t care. We love

it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]